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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Just adding those Nonexistence businesses
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Very small review for the gods of destruction DBS

Gods of destruction should receive Nonexistence EE (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other:History & Space-Time} for destroying the macrocosm which contains the subspace, and according to the page the subspace is between the dimensions of the macrocosm, and they were doing it with...
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MannyQ361 said:
The reference used is from Dragon Ball Super Chapter 56, but the page where Android 16 resisted Cell's absorption is from Dragon Ball Chapter 371 (DBZ 177).
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Thanks. The other references are chapter numbers. Next time I'm at my PC I'll make that change. It's a simple fix, I just didn't know which exact chapter it was off the top of my head.
 
RedReaper616 said:
I don’t believe so? The only multiplier for Ultra Instinct I know of is the Anime’s. Also, it’d be hard to give it a specific multiplier, because it canonically varies depending on the calmness of his heart and deteriorates in effect over time.
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Well I was wondering if maybe it could have a baseline multiplier using Moro's absorption amps like with Cell and Buu's absorptions.

Moro added 7-3's power onto his own, who had copied his power, becoming stronger than before.
This would make Moro with 7-3 absorbed around 2 times stronger than before.

Merus overpowered Moro with 7-3's power and then Moro added Merus's power ontop of that.
Then that would make Moro with Merus's power also at least 2 times stronger than Moro with 7-3's power, with UI Goku being able to match him.

The scaling chain would be something along the lines of this:
UI Sign Goku =< Original Power Moro/7-3 with Moro's copied power < Moro with 7-3 absorbed < Merus < Moro with Merus's power ~ UI Goku

This would end up with UI Goku being at least 4 times above his UI Sign form as used in the Moro arc.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Didn't Moro lose his power due to Vegeta's spirit fission before absorbing 7-3, though?
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He was.
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Very small review for the gods of destruction DBS

Gods of destruction should receive Nonexistence EE (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other:History & Space-Time} for destroying the macrocosm which contains the subspace, and according to the page the subspace is between the dimensions of the macrocosm, and they were doing it with...
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Thinking on this, wouldn’t Baby qualify for this, or something similar, via affecting the Instant Transmission Subspace?
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Didn't Moro lose his power due to Vegeta's spirit fission before absorbing 7-3, though?
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Right that would be an important factor to consider. So I guess it would be more accurate to say Moro with Merus's was at least 4 times stronger than the weakened Moro before he absorbed 7-3, with UI Sign Goku falling somewhere between weakened Moro and Original Power Moro.

Moro(weakened from Spirit Fission) < Moro Original Power < Moro with 7-3 absorbed < Merus < Moro with Merus's power
 
Vietthai96 said:
No, he was only diverting the Instant Transmision's landing location
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Yeah, but he did that by warping the actual IT Realm and exerting force on it, forcing Kibito to drop him. I don't think he'd like, get erasure from this, though. Just interaction with stuff, kind of like how Hakai is noted to be capable of affecting the WoV.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Yeah, but he did that by warping the actual IT Realm and exerting force on it, forcing Kibito to drop him. I don't think he'd like, get erasure from this, though. Just interaction with stuff, kind of like how Hakai is noted to be capable of affecting the WoV.
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He didn't, he only affect Goku and Kibito themselves
 
Hey, why is Majin Buu’s manga page outdated? Was planning to make a match with him but I see that but also don’t see any CRTs with him active rn.
 
Vietthai96 said:
He didn't, he only affect Goku and Kibito themselves
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In the most commonly available subtitles, Kibito Kai says "To think that it would warp him into a different dimension of space…", but in the original Japanese version, he says 「異次元空間までゆがめてしまうとは…｡」 or roughly "To think it could even warp an outside space…"; (1) the direct object is the outside space, not Goku; and (2) "warp" in the most commonly available subtitles suggests Baby's evil energy transported Goku to Sugoroku Space, whereas the phrase ゆがめてしまう (yugamete shimau) literally means to physically twist or to distort completely, clarifying his energy directly affected the Subspace.
 
For techniques like Instantaneous Movement (移動たり; shifting one's Ki), Gigantification (大きく見せたり; growing one's Ki), and Cloning (わけたり; splitting one's Ki) to be achieved by simply altering the shape or position of one's Ki requires that one's physical form itself be directly influenced by their Ki.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
For techniques like Instantaneous Movement (移動たり; shifting one's Ki), Gigantification (大きく見せたり; growing one's Ki), and Cloning (わけたり; splitting one's Ki) to be achieved by simply altering the shape or position of one's Ki requires that one's physical form itself be directly influenced by their Ki.
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I always thought that! It's the same as the Mahito technique, the shape of the soul (Ki) influences the shape of the body
 
Now, I noticed how the Chōzenshū/ Daizenshuu has some notable contradictions.

For example, in Chōzenshū 3 it says GT Goku devealoped the dragon fist in GT

HOWEVER, funnily enough, this is contradicted in Chōzenshū 4.


In context:

Notice how it doesn't say "From GT and warth of the dragon movie".
Given it had two appearances, both in GT and in the Hildegarn movie.
Only says that it's exclusive origins are in the movie.
This is important, becouse later on the text says Goku used the "the same dragon fist" was used against Super 17.
Which means he didn't learn the technique in GT, nor a similar variation of it or whatsoever..., but his Dragon fist originated from the movie itself.

Basically, treats it as a single, continous technique.
 
That isn't a contradiction. You're just comparing a data entry for a specific anime with a data entry for a dictionary that encompasses the entire franchise.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
That isn't a contradiction. You're just comparing a data entry for a specific anime with a data entry for a dictionary that encompasses the entire franchise.
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It's a contradiction.

They would've specified the origins of the technique, saying it's origin/appearance wasn't unique to the movie but GT also, they didn't.
They would've specified something like "a similar dragon fist", "another variation" for GT Goku's version.

But no, they implied Goku used the movie version of the dragon fist later against Super 17.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
They would've specified the origins of the technique, saying it's origin/appearance wasn't unique to the movie but GT also, they didn't.
They would've specified something like "a similar dragon fist", "another variation" for GT Goku's version.
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That would be unnecessary. It's the same technique. The previous volume simply clarifies that GT's Goku developed it for the first time against 17.
 
Yeah, Null's on the money with this one. That's' why in my blog I do my best to clarify where, what, and why a thing is being referred to as "the same," because different guides frame information differently based on a franchise view or an anime-specific view.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Yeah, Null's on the money with this one. That's' why in my blog I do my best to clarify where, what, and why a thing is being referred to as "the same," because different guides frame information differently based on a franchise view or an anime-specific view.
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I see. The problem with Dragon Ball and it's guides is that multiple people write it, the anime has many screen writers and participants too, Sueshia, Toei, etc hold multiple rights to it aswell....so cohesion is virtually impossible.

That's why sometimes supplementary material ends up creating this type of confusions lol.
 
A good example of this is Gogeta. Like, the GT Dragon Book considers the Z and GT Gogeta's the same guy. But I'm pretty sure Chozenshuu doesn't, specifically because it's a breakdown of the whole franchise.
 
RedReaper616 said:
A good example of this is Gogeta. Like, the GT Dragon Book considers the Z and GT Gogeta's the same guy. But I'm pretty sure Chozenshuu doesn't, specifically because it's a breakdown of the whole franchise.
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No, not really.

I own the 4 Chōzenshū volumes.
They do not talk about the movie's timelines, neither their placement, that's only in Daizenshu 6.
And even then, in Daizenshu 6 it doesn't say anywhere that Fusion reborn is a parallel Universe of the like.


And Turles not being canon gets contradicted by Daizenshu 7, Chōzenshū 4, and the TV Anime Guide through Icarus, etc.

Super 13 movie not being canon also gets retconned by the GT Dragon book, saying Super 17's history of Android devealopment ties up to the movie Androids, the Toei Anime pamphlet from the movie saying the story it's linked/releated to the DBZ Anime, etc.

Using the Daizenshuu to disprove movies canonicity to the Toeiverse it's pretty bonkers becouse it's outdated by the time GT came out, and GT's own guides should take precendence.

Neither does the Chōzenshū touch the movie subject.
 
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RedReaper616 said:
A good example of this is Gogeta. Like, the GT Dragon Book considers the Z and GT Gogeta's the same guy. But I'm pretty sure Chozenshuu doesn't, specifically. because it's a breakdown of the whole franchise.
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Curiously, Gogeta and Gogeta (Super Saiyan 4) are separate character profile entries, even though every other returning character has their GT appearance indexed under the "Anime" section of their profile.
 
When is the Ki = light thread coming out?
Or, I guess, Ki can and typically does become light, more accurately.
 
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Nullflowerblush said:
Curiously, Gogeta and Gogeta (Super Saiyan 4) are separate character profile entries, even though every other returning character has their GT appearance indexed under the "Anime" section of their profile.
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Not really.

You are minsterpreting things...what you are saying it's nowhere to be found.

The translation doesn't say that, if you are talking about the scan from the GT Dragon book that lists Goku's forms.

If you are talking about any scan from the Chōzenshū, then yeah, I believe you.
 
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