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Tony Stark Intelligence Upgrade (Comics)
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Need this closed then?
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Pretty sure most people think Ant's claims are ridiculous. I don't have Iron Man scans so I can't exactly just take over the thread, but like... there's already more than enough to say the guy is supergenius and you have a vote in favor of that in the form of Lephyr.
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Look, as the full quote regarding our Supergenius requirements quite clearly shows, there should be a combination of reality-warping versatility and literally infinite power in order to qualify. For example, if an inventor's only claim to fame is to create a gun that can hurt the Low 1-C game version of Goku, that should not qualify.
Personal accusations, agitation, and hostility towards me are misdirected and unnecessary here. Currently I think that Tony qualifies for either "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius" or "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius", but to achieve a certain Supergenius rating somebody needs to prove that he is extremely versatile in terms of his types of inventions, preferably by listing several good examples here. I am not unreasonable in that regard.
Personal accusations, agitation, and hostility towards me are misdirected and unnecessary here. Currently I think that Tony qualifies for either "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius" or "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius", but to achieve a certain Supergenius rating somebody needs to prove that he is extremely versatile in terms of his types of inventions, preferably by listing several good examples here. I am not unreasonable in that regard.
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Excellence616
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Can someone get Super genius by scaling to someone who is?
Goku is different from Celestials.. in the sense that The Celestials are Higher D and BDE in terms of existence and power, while Goku is only Low 1-C based on AP.
Wouldn't this be sufficient enough to warrant Super genius?
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Preferably not, especially given the enormous inconsistencies and conflicting writer biases or uninformed evaluations by them in Marvel Comics. We have our standards and they have theirs, and we scale from actual feats, versatility, and power output.
For example, Marvel's editorial department has heavily tried to (suddenly) promote Moon Girl as more intelligent than either Reed Richards or Doctor Doom, but she would still have to prove it through her own feats before we rate her beyond Extraordinary Genius.
Yes, but I used an example for that one trick pony attack potency scale alone is not remotely sufficient to qualify.
No, those are just opinions, not proven feats of accomplishment.
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I guess that more or less discounts the Celestial Hulkbuster, since that was a hollowed out corpse that he stole from Knull. Same for the Phoenix buster since he had outside help (granted I don't remember that part of the story)
As for the eScape, what are our standards for virtual realities being considered real universes? Should they have a proper space-time continuum to count? Because otherwise the eScape is not a real universe but a rather complex VR.
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Valid points.
I wish the supporters would actually put efforts into explaining why Tony meets the standards instead of whining about standards and bias. If someone thinks the standards are bs then make a CRT to change them instead of whining about them in a CRT about iron man.
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I think at best Tony's Tier 1 armors are good as supporting evidence for Supergenius, same with the Thor statement I provided. I am curious about the eScape though.
Right now, I think "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" would be best. The stories certainly imply that he is intended to be on almost the same level as Reed and Doom, but he hasn't shown enough direct stuff to warrant a solid rating based on this wiki's standards.
Right now, I think "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" would be best. The stories certainly imply that he is intended to be on almost the same level as Reed and Doom, but he hasn't shown enough direct stuff to warrant a solid rating based on this wiki's standards.
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I agree with this for now. Though I am skeptical that in all these years, Tony didn't accumulate enough scans for versatility.
About the tier 1 armors. Were they made from scratch? Or did Tony reverse engineer tier 1 equipment. Making them from scratch is clearly stated as a requirement.
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Thorbuster was made using a magical energy source given to him by Thor. Celestial Hulkbuster was reverse-engineered. Godkiller Mk2 and Phoenix Buster were made from scratch I think, but Phoenix Buster was collaborative with Hank Pym.
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So I guess Godkiller Mk2 is the best option since all the others had some sort of advantage. But it makes me curious, is Godkiller Mk2 a derivative of Godkiller Mk1? If so, was Godkiller Mk1 tier 1 and made from scratch?
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What I said here still applies.Look, as the full quote regarding our Supergenius requirements quite clearly shows, there should be a combination of reality-warping versatility and literally infinite power in order to qualify. For example, if an inventor's only claim to fame is to create a gun that can hurt the Low 1-C game version of Goku, that should not qualify.
Personal accusations, agitation, and hostility towards me are misdirected and unnecessary here. Currently I think that Tony qualifies for either "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius" or "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius", but to achieve a certain Supergenius rating somebody needs to prove that he is extremely versatile in terms of his types of inventions, preferably by listing several good examples here. I am not unreasonable in that regard.
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I think "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" is the best option here. Like I think the stories themselves definitely consistently portray the gap between Tony and Reed as being rather small, but I agree that Tony hasn't actually displayed anywhere near the level of versatility that Reed has, so doesn't as solidly meet this site's standards.
That being said, what inventions/intelligence feats could be listed to support a possible/likely rating? We have him making Tier 1 weapons, making a virtual universe, Thor saying his tech was almost a match for Asgardian sorcery, and various statements about being close to Reed. Is this enough for possibly/likely, or should there be more?
That being said, what inventions/intelligence feats could be listed to support a possible/likely rating? We have him making Tier 1 weapons, making a virtual universe, Thor saying his tech was almost a match for Asgardian sorcery, and various statements about being close to Reed. Is this enough for possibly/likely, or should there be more?
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I think that the statements of Tony being close to Reed are biased hyperbolic nonsense from specific writers, much like the Moon Girl issue of forcibly suddenly declaring that she is the smartest character ever without remotely showing the feats to prove it as far as I am aware.
However, we can use the examples of Tony building tier 1 weaponry for the "likely Supergenius" part of his intelligence statistic.
However, we can use the examples of Tony building tier 1 weaponry for the "likely Supergenius" part of his intelligence statistic.
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You glaze consistency but the moment it goes against your agenda every writer who got that consistency going is now biased and hyperbolic?
Ant, you're sounding a lot like a hypocrite right now.
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That is not my intention. I just believe that we should go by actual feats considerably more than random statements from writers who are usually not sufficiently informed in this area to make a proper call about it, especislly given that supergenius is such an extreme and specific statistic.
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Between the fact Tony has made things capable of blasting apart tier 1s, reversed engineered a tier 1 body, HDE and all, and has repeated statesmates of being comparable(but inferior) to someone who is not low in Supergenius, I'd say it's fine to let Tony qualify. He'd be low-end SG to be sure though, because he does have one specialty, just so happens he's amazing at it.That is not my intention. I just believe that we should go by actual feats considerably more than random statements from writers who are usually not sufficiently informed in this area to make a proper call about it, especislly given that supergenius is such an extreme and specific statistic.
Either that or you slap a tabber on his intelligence section, but at that point someone would have to research all of Tony again to do General, Engineering, and Skill(though as previously agreed, that skill section would look something like this)
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The problem is that he has demonstrated sufficient scale for supergenius, but not sufficient versatility/variation, so I think it would set a bad precedent to give him a straight supergenius rating, rather than "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius".
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Like... 90% of Fantastic's feats on his profile are engineering though? And the rest aren't even SG things? Like, having a PHD in every field imaginable is EG, and several of those feats are SI stuff.The problem is that he has demonstrated sufficient scale for supergenius, but not sufficient versatility/variation, so I think it would set a bad precedent to give him a straight supergenius rating, rather than "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius".
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Reed makes a lot more diverse shit than Tony, but he's still just making shit and considered more intelligent than everyone else is.Isn't Reed Richards far more diverse and also more extreme in his feats throughout his long history than Tony Stark is? At least I strongly have that impression.
obviously though a more thorough look into Reed for a profile overhaul is needed, but right now his intelligence section is a bunch of Engineering feats, some EG feats, SI, and saying he's the smartest person in marvel.
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Well, his feats section should preferably be greatly expanded in that case, given that we have partially ranked him as a supergenius due to remembering unmentioned feats.
Does the Marvel Comics wiki have any page that lists his various inventions?
Does the Marvel Comics wiki have any page that lists his various inventions?
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Sure as shit ain't gonna be me, I got more verses to worry about than a project for a verse I don't even really consume content from, because trust me, that would turn into a full profile rework and I have much worse profiles than Reed's barebones self to worry about. Especially when I'd have to put a scrollbox on his damn AP section.Well, his feats section should preferably be greatly expanded in that case, given that we have partially ranked him as a supergenius due to remembering unmentioned feats.
Does the Marvel Comics wiki have any page that lists his various inventions?
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In lack of better options and seeing like the thread creator doesn't seem interested to keep pursuing this, should be fine.Thank you. Should we apply "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" then?
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Has this been applied yet?Thank you. Should we apply "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" then?
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Why wasn't he a supergenius before 
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I can do it. Can you unlock the profile?Has this been applied yet?
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I have handled it. Tell me here when you are done.
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Iron Man (Marvel Comics)
Iron Man, or Tony Stark, is the main hero of a comic by the same name. Stark: an inventive genius, industrialist, and multi-billionaire, went to Vietnam to oversee a field test for one of his transistorized weapons, that his company Stark Industries made. While there he accidentally stepped on a...
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Iron Man (Marvel Comics)
Iron Man, or Tony Stark, is the main hero of a comic by the same name. Stark: an inventive genius, industrialist, and multi-billionaire, went to Vietnam to oversee a field test for one of his transistorized weapons, that his company Stark Industries made. While there he accidentally stepped on a...
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