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Todd Fang 4th wall breaking addition

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Hi everyone. This is a minor addition for Todd Fang,
I saw this guy has a feat of him breaking the 4th wall in Re:Zero webnovel Arc 8 Chapter 7

Breaking the Fourth Wall: While narrator was telling us about his backstory and him, he made narrator stop and literally spoke to readers by saying "--I have no intention of telling you anything more than that, man."

 
This is the fourth ongoing Re:Zero CRT so it may need to be put on pause. In any case I agree this is a fourth-wall-breaking moment for us (who were expecting his backstory in his named chapter), but it doesn't really fit with Todd's character. It's not even implied he's aware of the fourth-wall outside this obituary, which makes me feel that in-universe, this is addressing a hypothetical reader of his death report.

Basically yeah I agree, but I don't think being a character who is aware of the fourth-wall fits Todd.
 
I originally made that page but at the time I was unsure whether to say Todd is referring to the observers of re:zero who see the world as a stage play or the actual readers like Zabazab said.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
what were you cooking when you put 7A with prep
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I considered how to account for Todd's incredible feats (killing Olbart, Palladio, Rowan, Al /co and etc) and discussed it with others on Discord. They told me that Batman has a higher rating due to preparation time and other factors. However, since Todd consistently defeats opponents stronger than him with preparation, these feats are not outliers and should be reflected in his rating so the conclusion I came to was just do something similar like Batman.
 
Crimsonobu said:
I considered how to account for Todd's incredible feats (killing Olbart, Palladio, Rowan, Al /co and etc) and discussed it with others on Discord. They told me that Batman has a higher rating due to preparation time and other factors. However, since Todd consistently defeats opponents stronger than him with preparation, these feats are not outliers and should be reflected in his rating so the conclusion I came to was just do something similar like Batman.
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Though if you disagree with this conclusion I am open to changes that could still reflect his capability to kill opponents way beyind his capacity. I just saw no better way than preparation 7-A.
 
Crimsonobu said:
I considered how to account for Todd's incredible feats (killing Olbart, Palladio, Rowan, Al /co and etc) and discussed it with others on Discord. They told me that Batman has a higher rating due to preparation time and other factors. However, since Todd consistently defeats opponents stronger than him with preparation, these feats are not outliers and should be reflected in his rating so the conclusion I came to was just do something similar like Batman.
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Crimsonobu said:
Though if you disagree with this conclusion I am open to changes that could still reflect his capability to kill opponents way beyind his capacity. I just saw no better way than preparation 7-A.
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its actually because of the flow method being a conscious thing that characters have to lock in to apply, in most cases they just get so good at it that they can do it instinctively but if you catch someone offguard (like with the layered dp of law manipulation of sneak attack) you can get them easily

iirc though this would push todd to 9A since even with the debuffs most characters should be 9A anyway (scaling to Rom or above)
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
its actually because of the flow method being a conscious thing that characters have to lock in to apply, in most cases they just get so good at it that they can do it instinctively but if you catch someone offguard (like with the layered dp of law manipulation of sneak attack) you can get them easily

iirc though this would push todd to 9A since even with the debuffs most characters should be 9A anyway (scaling to Rom or above)
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In his fight with Olbart, Olbart had his flow method activated because he was fighting Arakiya, yet Todd still managed to kill him. This suggests that a stealth attack can bypass the durability of flow method, effectively acting as a form of durability negation , which is difficult to quantify. For simplicity, I just noted it under 'preparation.

Stealth attacks having some form of durability negation is what I previously presumed myself as Emilia harmed Reinhard. Someone who's categorically beyond her in every capacity and under normal scenarios her magic would probably just break if it touched him. The problem I had was proving and indexing this on Todd's page.
 
I was asked to check this thread.
Zabazab said:
This is the fourth ongoing Re:Zero CRT so it may need to be put on pause. In any case I agree this is a fourth-wall-breaking moment for us (who were expecting his backstory in his named chapter), but it doesn't really fit with Todd's character. It's not even implied he's aware of the fourth-wall outside this obituary, which makes me feel that in-universe, this is addressing a hypothetical reader of his death report.

Basically yeah I agree, but I don't think being a character who is aware of the fourth-wall fits Todd.
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If I may be pardoned with my speculating.... So then, could the Fourth Wall Breaking that is ostensibly the primary subject of this thread then be a Likely or Possibly, given it is so out of character that, along with the context in which the narrator-stopping-statement occurs, there is reason to believe it may not be Todd Fang? Arguably, it could be applicable, albeit through an absence of anyone else in context to attribute it to.
Maybe some kind of poetic posthumous power display?
 
Imaginym said:
If I may be pardoned with my speculating....
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It's certainly Todd, but whether he is even dead is up to interpretation, as it was intentionally left unsaid whether Todd survived the events of the story, or died and became an undead.

Though Todd isn't the only character to break the fourth-wall, a lot of Cecilus's character is that he believes himself to be the main character of a story, and he has interrupted the narration before.
If you asked Harline himself, there was another side to the unfavorable manner in which the story painted him. ――His manner of crushing the heads of those he deemed opponents may have been called brutal, but that was the fault of the construction of their heads being weaker than that of Harline’s arms. It may have been said that he mercilessly killed women and children, but that was just to sever off any worries of anxiety or revenge. Above all, the one who truly ought to have been called a monster was not Harline, but his younger brother “Excuse me. It seems like that would end up being a rather long story but the more you speak the more it seems like it’s an episode that piques nobody’s interest so why don’t we change things up to a scene depicting stuff like the leading actor’s preferences and trivial daily life that the fans truly want to see!”

A carefree voice seemed to blot over the introduction, and in an instant, the arms raised aloft were severed at the elbows, and the Iron Arms from which he derived his alias spun around as they flew through the air. —The Land of the Nascent Wolves, Undead Busters III
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Zabazab said:
It's certainly Todd, but whether he is even dead is up to interpretation, as it was intentionally left unsaid whether Todd survived the events of the story, or died and became an undead.
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I know not the basis for that it is certainly Todd, but I'll assume you're knowledgeable enough to be trusted on this unless told otherwise.
& this is apparently done by him.... In his obituary, which is naturally posthumous? But he hasn't done it elsewhere?

So the only reason to suspect is that in the context he did it, it was out of character & he was dead?
Zabazab said:
Though Todd isn't the only character to break the fourth-wall, a lot of Cecilus's character is that he believes himself to be the main character of a story, and he has interrupted the narration before.
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But Todd has no such character gimmick, right?
 
Crimsonobu said:
In his fight with Olbart, Olbart had his flow method activated because he was fighting Arakiya, yet Todd still managed to kill him. This suggests that a stealth attack can bypass the durability of flow method, effectively acting as a form of durability negation , which is difficult to quantify. For simplicity, I just noted it under 'preparation.

Stealth attacks having some form of durability negation is what I previously presumed myself as Emilia harmed Reinhard. Someone who's categorically beyond her in every capacity and under normal scenarios her magic would probably just break if it touched him. The problem I had was proving and indexing this on Todd's page.
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the issue with the Reinhard feat is that he is essentially tier 6A+ even if he is nerfed to the point where he isnt using the flow method actively, he essentially has a passive flow going on. This actually implies she has enough AP to harm him (though i just chalk this up as Tappei trying to make the characters "Realistic" as he stated in his qna, trying to make Reinhard appear human)

In olbarts case, he was distracted by arakia. This probably left an opening when he was focused on defending/retaliating against her which gave him the opportunity to kill him. This can be chalked up to his ingenuity rather than him being able to dura neg
 
Imaginym said:
I know not the basis for that it is certainly Todd, but I'll assume you're knowledgeable enough to be trusted on this unless told otherwise.
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Ah well this is Todd's named chapter, the "Interlude: Todd Fang", in fact it's so short I can post the entire chapter here:
――Todd Fang was a soldier of the Vollachian Empire, Private First-Class his rank.

He was the fiancé of Katya Aurélie, the younger sister of his colleague, Jamal Aurélie. Starting with when he was dispatched to the Buddheim Jungle in the east of the Empire, by way of the battle with the rebel army in the Fortress City of Guaral, he had currently taken up the official position of subordinate to the Spirit Eater, General First-Class Arakiya.

The siege of the Imperial Capital of Lupugana, commenced by rebels who all simultaneously rose in revolt.

In this battle too, he participated as a foot soldier, fighting hard, wielding his weapon as he valiantly fought the rebels in order to protect the citizens of the Imperial Capital―― And above all, to protect his fiancée, Katya.

His true identity was that of an existence treated as abhorrent in the Vollachian Empire, that of a werewolf; subject to historic discrimination and persecution, he came to establish his own way of life as a being incompatible with others.

That was unmistakably the werewolf of the Empire known as Todd Fang.



――I have no intention of telling you anything more than that, man.
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Imaginym said:
So the only reason to suspect is that in the context he did it, it was out of character & he was dead?
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Yeah he's never cracked the fourth-wall before this. But whether he's dead or not is unknown, what we do know is that he's "active" (either alive or a zombie).
 
Zabazab said:
Ah well this is Todd's named chapter, the "Interlude: Todd Fang", in fact it's so short I can post the entire chapter here:



Yeah he's never cracked the fourth-wall before this. But whether he's dead or not is unknown, what we do know is that he's "active" (either alive or a zombie).
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Then by this reasoning, the only point of contention would be its out of character for Todd Fang or unprecedented within his characterization, right?
Under that pretense, I'd be okay with saying it's a Likely or Possibly, or just straight up depending on what knowledgeable members agree on. Worst comes to worst, another Staff could be asked which it should be.
Hope that stance of mine expressed in this post here seems reasonable.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
the issue with the Reinhard feat is that he is essentially tier 6A+ even if he is nerfed to the point where he isnt using the flow method actively, he essentially has a passive flow going on. This actually implies she has enough AP to harm him (though i just chalk this up as Tappei trying to make the characters "Realistic" as he stated in his qna, trying to make Reinhard appear human)

In olbarts case, he was distracted by arakia. This probably left an opening when he was focused on defending/retaliating against her which gave him the opportunity to kill him. This can be chalked up to his ingenuity rather than him being able to dura neg
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It's honestly a bit late for me and this thread is not the place to discuss it so I'm fine with discussing this another time since you do bring up valid points.
 
It's a one off thing, that's not really in character for Todd, so think it should only be possibly/likely.
 
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