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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

Kozuki Moria (potentially a poneglyph reader?) -> joins Cross Guild

So then the Yonko will have access via:
  1. SHP's with Robin
  2. BB Pirates with Pudding (therefore she awakens the 3rd eye)
  3. CG with Moria
  4. Shanks with... something? maybe whatever Roger told him crying becomes relevant?
I sense a massive free for all on Laughtale coming
 
I think people are also just overestimating Xebec fr, like yes... He was one of the top, but his road and development was still kinda ended by Roger... He wasn't overpowering everyone else like it was nothing, he was still in an era where many were comparable to him in strength

To me it's still seems clear that Rocks was still stronger than Harald and wasn't going all out in that scuffle tho (Xebec trying to make him come into his senses and stuff)
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
I think people are also just overestimating Xebec
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I just can't really go along with this. Rocks is stronger than anyone in his crew since he built his entire crew by force through davy back fights, that would include whitebeard. He's also Roger's greatest rival, so he HAS to be stronger than garp. It was also implied that it took both Roger and Garp to take him down. So far, no pirate or marine has shown anything close to that. Until the events of God Valley are revealed, Rocks will be virtually at the top of the strength hierarchy barring a select few.
Harald here made Rocks bleed, and their battle was judged inconclusive. This puts Harald at least at the level of the very strongest pirates in their prime.
 
That said however, I don't believe Rocks was using his full strength against Harald. For that matter, neither was Harald. Their hearts were not in the fight
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I just can't really go along with this. Rocks is stronger than anyone in his crew since he built his entire crew by force through davy back fights, that would include whitebeard. He's also Roger's greatest rival, so he HAS to be stronger than garp. It was also implied that it took both Roger and Garp to take him down. So far, no pirate or marine has shown anything close to that. Until the events of God Valley are revealed, Rocks will be virtually at the top of the strength hierarchy barring a select few.
Harald here made Rocks bleed, and their battle was judged inconclusive. This puts Harald at least at the level of the very strongest pirates in their prime.
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Where?
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I just can't really go along with this. Rocks is stronger than anyone in his crew since he built his entire crew by force through davy back fights, that would include whitebeard. He's also Roger's greatest rival, so he HAS to be stronger than garp. It was also implied that it took both Roger and Garp to take him down. So far, no pirate or marine has shown anything close to that. Until the events of God Valley are revealed, Rocks will be virtually at the top of the strength hierarchy barring a select few.
Harald here made Rocks bleed, and their battle was judged inconclusive. This puts Harald at least at the level of the very strongest pirates in their prime.
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You just made soo many assumptions with so little evidence while misunderstanding those evidence...

We know Garp and Roger has fought before xebec and it says Xebec Is Roger's first foe so no, that statement also don't say "Roger's greatest rival". it's never ever implied it took both of them to take him down alone, it legit says it straight out that it was them 2 vs Rocks pirates while also literally showing it as well
latest

At this point you're straight up either just trolling or being insanely biased, if you're going to say something bring the facts first... Otherwise you're talking just to talk
RoyGundam said:
I'm sorry, but killing a Marine Admiral is the all-time greatest combat feat in One Piece so far
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And who decided that? If that's the "greatest combat feat" then what feat is Roger and Garp defeating him and his crew?
 
Quantu said:
Where?
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Sengoku states that garp was the one who took down the rocks pirates.
The reason this was hidden was because he had to work with pirates, specifically the Roger pirates.
Not only that but he also did it to defend celestial dragons, and know we know that the Holy knights were present which means that this battle was the entirety of the rocks pirates vs Roger pirates + garp and his marines + holy knights.
We also see an illustration of garp and roger standing side by side against rocks which further leads me to believe that they worked together to beat him, that alongside the statement that they joined forces to beat the rocks pirates. Furthermore, Rocks was betrayed at God valley, and that was his downfall despite having a nigh-unbeatable crew, this diminishes the possibility that Rocks had help in the fight.
Of course, we don't know what actually happened, that's why I said that until we get actual feats and confirmation of what happened, we can only go off of these implications.
All in all, this points to Rocks being decently above the cast of characters at that time.
He is also outright stated by sengoku to be Rogers greatest foe, and in another translation (anime), his strongest foe.
MonkeyOfLife said:
You—
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As always, your display of limited reading comprehension is palpable. I have clarified everything above, please have a read before saying I'm trolling or biased.

Edit: I left scans all over the post but they were deleted for some reason. I'm quoting everything from chapter 957 on tcb scans. If you need citation for anything, please inform me.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
chapter 957 on tcb scans
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Lol
RoyGundam said:
We don't know how that fight exactly went. There might have been team-ups, betrayals etc.
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That needs further evidence otherwise we work with what we have, which is Roger and Garp vs Rock pirates and them losing to them both... All of which is stated (the cover up being that only garp defeated them)
FluffyCreatureZ said:
He is also outright stated by sengoku to be Rogers greatest foe, and in another translation (anime), his strongest foe.
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Greatest foe wouldn't include Garp as I explained before... And Wb wasn't a foe to Roger either
FluffyCreatureZ said:
As always, your display of limited reading comprehension is palpable. I have clarified everything above, please have a read before saying I'm trolling or biased.
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Can't say that when in basically every situation I'm not the one having the wrong stance

OHHHH NAH, IT WAS EVEN YOU WHO MADE THIS THREAD, don't talk to me about op please 😅🙏
 
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Try to be polite and respectful to each other please. 🙏
 
RoyGundam said:
I'm sorry, but killing a Marine Admiral is the all-time greatest combat feat in One Piece so far
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Not really. It's very likely that up until that point their Admirals were just promoted veteran Vice Admirals (so people like Momonga, or even Gion and Tokikake). After the death of the Admiral the Navy got people like Garp, Sengoku, and Tsuru and later "monster recruits" like the Pre-Timeskip Admirals.

The way I see it, Rocks coming into the scene forced the Navy to stop being complacent and rise to the challenge.
 
Kachon123 said:
later "monster recruits" like the Pre-Timeskip Admirals.
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The pre-timeskip Admirals were simply hardworking ordinary marine recruits who worked their way up the ranks. That's what the Garp-Aokiji and Vegapunk-Kizaru flashbacks show us
 
RoyGundam said:
The pre-timeskip Admirals were simply hardworking ordinary marine recruits who worked their way up the ranks. That's what the Garp-Aokiji and Vegapunk-Kizaru flashbacks show us
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Here.

Also, I think you missed my point. The Admirals, Sengoku, and Garp were clearly not just your average marines. In the same way someone like Roger or any other top tier weren't your average pirate, they upped the standard by reaching that next level.
 
Kachon123 said:
Here.

Also, I think you missed my point. The Admirals, Sengoku, and Garp were clearly not just your average marines. In the same way someone like Roger or any other top tier weren't your average pirate, they upped the standard by reaching that next level.
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Sengoku and Garp was stronger than admirals back then while being just a vice admiral, right?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Lol

That needs further evidence otherwise we work with what we have, which is Roger and Garp vs Rock pirates and them losing to them both... All of which is stated (the cover up being that only garp defeated them)

Greatest foe wouldn't include Garp as I explained before... And Wb wasn't a foe to Roger either

Can't say that when in basically every situation I'm not the one having the wrong stance

OHHHH NAH, IT WAS EVEN YOU WHO MADE THIS THREAD, don't talk to me about op please 😅🙏
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1. You're ignoring my explanation
2. Both garp and whitebeard are demonstrably Roger's foes. Claiming otherwise is blatantly asinine.
3. Calm down this narcissism.
4. That was 3 years ago. My stance has obviously changed, and I can look back on that and laugh. If you are trying to discredit my argument by bring that up, that proves you have no argument to begin with.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
2. Both garp and whitebeard are demonstrably Roger's foes. Claiming otherwise is blatantly asinine.
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Don't care.
FluffyCreatureZ said:
1. You're ignoring my explanation
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Gg.
FluffyCreatureZ said:
3. Calm down this narcissism.
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Says you.
FluffyCreatureZ said:
4. That was 3 years ago. My stance has obviously changed, and I can look back on that and laugh. If you are trying to discredit my argument by bring that up, that proves you have no argument to begin with.
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No.
 
Again, stop any toxic bickering please. 🙏
 
1159 is out now. And since there’s no break next week, we might see some of God Valley in action. I hope we get a good justification for why Roger and Garp teamed up against Rocks. There’s a lot of missing context right now. But, it looks pretty bad considering Rocks seemingly just wanted to save his family.
 
Antvasima said:
Again, stop any toxic bickering please. 🙏
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Am I the one being toxic...?

I'm trying to get out of the conversation and convey that the best I can, don't have the time to deal with useless debates (I'm talking about debates in general) or with someone throwing personal insults.
 
RoyGundam said:
If you think about Garp's actions for even a couple of minutes, there's no way to avoid the conclusion that he was a giant pos douchebag
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Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, it didn't seen like Garp was fully aware of the Native Hunting Competition (at least before he arrived) and he only knew that Shakky was taken away, and he only got involved when he learn Roger was going in that island too.
 
Stefano4444 said:
he only got involved when he learn Roger was going in that island too
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His obsession with Roger is indefensible. Based on what we have seen, the Roger pirates were quite a lot like the Strawhats in terms of risk to the civilian populations of the One Piece world. Garp should have known this very well, yet the fact that he will turn a blind eye to all kinds of atrocities and tragedies in the world, only to relentlessly chase some of the most harmless pirates, is entirely self-centered and actively harmful to One Piece civilians
 
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RoyGundam said:
His obsession with Roger is indefensible. Based on what we have seen, the Roger pirates were quite a lot like the Strawhats in terms of risk to the civilian populations of the One Piece world. Garp should have known this very well, yet the fact that he will turn a blind eye to all kinds of atrocities and tragedies in the world, only to relentlessly chase some of the most harmless pirates, is completely indefensible
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By the same logic Smoker, Issho/Fujitora and Koby's desire to capture Luffy would make them horrible people.

Garp wanting Roger was a matter of principle, as him be a marine meant that he has the duty to capture all pirates, that include Roger.
 
Stefano4444 said:
By the same logic Smoker, Issho/Fujitora and Koby's desire to capture Luffy would make them horrible people.
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Smoker, Issho and Koby don't chase Luffy around the world. Smoker challenges Luffy if they find themselves on the same island, Ishho had to be basically directly threatened by the Fleet Admiral to make a half-hearted attempt at capturing Luffy, Koby is a literal fanboy of Luffy. None of them behave at all like Garp does
 
In fact, Smoker did actually chase Luffy to Alabasta, but after realizing the nature of the strawhat pirates, he's essentially stopped chasing them altogether. They just happened to cross paths again in Marineford and Punk Hazard
 
RoyGundam said:
Smoker, Issho and Koby don't chase Luffy around the world. Smoker challenges Luffy if they find themselves on the same island, Ishho had to be basically directly threatened by the Fleet Admiral to make a half-hearted attempt at capturing Luffy, Koby is a literal fanboy of Luffy. None of them behave at all like Garp does
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Maybe just wait until Oda reveal the obsession of Garp with Roger, that's the best for now
 
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