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Edens Zero Discussion Thread: The Post-Void Saga!

Zackra1799 said:
False equivalence, Edens Zero is not bleach and the verses have completely different mechanics and scaling

Do you have any actual arguements for why it's bogus
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Yes, because fictional characters don't just jump from large planet level to universe+ level in a single fight (Shiki vs Chronophage) being one of them.
 
Nerd1435 said:
Edens Zero is literally one of the most solid Universal ratings that I've seen.

Mashima had to make a point and continuously repeat it to make sure we understand what's happening lol.

Chp287 Title: 10^72 Joules
Ends with Chronobecca stating the exact output in joules, and Big Bang, collapse of Universe

Chp288:
Again starts with her reiterating again that she will destroy the entire Universe and create it anew

Chp290:
AGAIN, this time she doesn't even claim anything, but Pino with her POWER LEVEL SCOUTER confirmed that the energy is indeed 10^72 Joules, which Ziggy indeed confirms can destroy the Universe

"But uhm its bogus 🤓👆"
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So three bogus statements from three chapters of Edens Zero? It doesn't look very consistent to me. You have to show me Cell's Solar System level evidence blog for me to believe otherwise. Even then, Cell still has more universe level statements than Chronophage does.
 
Nerd1435 said:
Being a Troll in 2025 is wild
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UNIVERSE+ LEVEL NAMEK FRIEZA ARGUMENTS BEING USED LOL!!!!
 
MichaelCalistro said:
So three bogus statements from three chapters of Edens Zero? It doesn't look very consistent to me. You have to show me Cell's Solar System level evidence blog for me to believe otherwise. Even then, Cell still has more universe level statements than Chronophage does.
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You do know that Chronopage can eat Mother, who even while dying, distorred space in our entire universe, she then can produce energy on the level of the big bang, the creation of our universe, and was going to both destroy and recreate said universe meaning she can survive her own universal attack, shiki then absorbed said energy and attacked her with said energy, so yeah, these guys are very blatantly universal.
 
Zackra1799 said:
You do know that Chronopage can eat Mother, who even while dying, distorred space in our entire universe,
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Mother's feat looks like endgame Yhwach's feat to me involving environmental destruction, but endgame Yhwach's feat looks more concrete universal to me.
Zackra1799 said:
she then can produce energy on the level of the big bang, the creation of our universe, and was going to both destroy and recreate said universe meaning she can survive her own universal attack,
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This is Namek Frieza's universe level statements all over again (which I posted for evidences), hence why I called it bogus.
Zackra1799 said:
shiki then absorbed said energy and attacked her with said energy, so yeah, these guys are very blatantly universal.
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How does a large planet level character suddenly jump to universe+ level in a single fight? Explain!
 
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Nerd1435 said:
Confirmation within the manga by someone who can actually read energy levels and give the exact numbers >> external media
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Meanwhile Cell is an walking AI bot himself as well too who can read power level and do so much more, you know?
 
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Nerd1435 said:
If that's the level your serious arguments are at, then I feel sorry for you 😔 My bad bro carry on 🙏
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Says the guy whose only arguments are three bogus universe statements from three seperate chapters. At least I am showing more arguments on my end.🤥
 
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
This guy's hilarious, man see's a direct universal statement of power and calls it bogus

Dude must be bored if he's trolling Edens Zero of all things
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Because I visited to Comic Vine and FanVerse to see where the source of its wank was coming from, now I think I know where. Dear Lord, this was worst than I thought!
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Because I visited to Comic Vine and FanVerse to see where the source of its wank was coming from, now I think I know where. Dear Lord, this was worst than I thought!
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Did you even read the CRT that revised the god tiers to Universal, If you have and still have a problem with the statistics of the verse, than by all means make a thread, but your gonna need alot more evidence then half assed examples and arguments from incredulity.

Otherwise I don't see a point in continuing this "conversation"
 
Zackra1799 said:
Did you even read the CRT that revised the god tiers to Universal, If you have and still have a problem with the statistics of the verse, than by all means make a thread, but your gonna need alot more evidence then half assed examples and arguments from incredulity.

Otherwise I don't see a point in continuing this "conversation"
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1. Because Shiki was large planet level right before his fight with Chronophage which suddenly boosted his stats to universe+ level! How can anyone say this is okay when its the most insane and the only high power jump in the entire series?

2. Edens Zero also lacks any star/solar system/galaxy level feats/statements/calculations along those lines for it to be very consistently universal.

3. Three manga pages of something happening in three different chapters doesn't translate to anything whatsoever without being brought into questioning.

TL;DL Mashima got his powerscaling knowledges from Suggsverse lol.
 
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MichaelCalistro said:
1. Because Shiki was large planet level right before his fight with Chronophage which suddenly boosted his stats to universe+ level! How can anyone say this is okay when its the most insane and the only high power jump in the entire series?
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It's stated that people from Universe 0 are more powerful than they were in the previous universes, Shiki scales to universal the entire last arc, his fight with Void who is stated multiple times to be able to destroy mother is an easy example, even characters like Homura, experienced massive power growth in just one fight with Freyja going from being 1 shot in her Overdrive state to beating her up in base, Freyja is stated to be above everyone else in all 5 universes with the possible exception being the Edens One, aka Void
MichaelCalistro said:
2. Edens Zero also lacks any star/solar system/galaxy level feats/statements/calculations along those lines for it to be very consistently universal.
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This is not at all required to reach Uni levels of power, verses don't need to go through the attack potency ladder to be valid, hell by this logic you would need infinite evidence for anything tier 2 and up because the jump between tier 3 and lower is infinitely large
MichaelCalistro said:
3. Three manga pages of something happening in three different chapters doesn't translate to anything whatsoever without being brought into questioning.
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except it was brought into question, as there was a CRT for it and it was accepted by multiple staff members
 
Zackra1799 said:
It's stated that people from Universe 0 are more powerful than they were in the previous universes, Shiki scales to universal the entire last arc, his fight with Void who is stated multiple times to be able to destroy mother is an easy example, even characters like Homura, experienced massive power growth in just one fight with Freyja going from being 1 shot in her Overdrive state to beating her up in base, Freyja is stated to be above everyone else in all 5 universes with the possible exception being the Edens One, aka Void

This is not at all required to reach Uni levels of power, verses don't need to go through the attack potency ladder to be valid, hell by this logic you would need infinite evidence for anything tier 2 and up because the jump between tier 3 and lower is infinitely large

except it was brought into question, as there was a CRT for it and it was accepted by multiple staff members
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So why does Shiki have shit poor piercing/stabbing durability feat?
 
MichaelCalistro said:
I will be more convinced if you can provide me some good examples of Shiki's piercing/stabbing durability feats (not him literally dying from the same wound that is because that's not a durability feat).
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Why stabbing/piercing attacks specifically? That seems... oddly particular.
 
It's funny that he says there are no star or solar system level feats, but Shiki used the gravity of a black hole to absorb the big bang, that alone is at least a large star level, but since true Gravity is a thousand times superior to conventional gravity, it makes Shiki actually universal level because of his feats against the chronophage.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Why stabbing/piercing attacks specifically? That seems... oddly particular.
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Found my answer!
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One thing you need to know is that pierce, stab and slashing are not some unique hax/durability negating abilities.

It's just a matter of pressure. Under an equal force, if it's on a smaller surface area, the pressure will be greater and thus can lead to rupture in that region.

At high-level, P=F/A, and if a guy is withstanding 100000N at 100cm^2 contact, he is also very likely to withstand 1000N at 1cm^2 contact area. Amp that by a gazillion times and that's what happens in Edens zero

Anyway, since you asked for showings, base Shiki tanked Nero's dice. They pierced straight through Jaguar, Ziggy, Ground, spaceships, etc.. without obstruction but were bounced back by Shiki's head.

Same Ziggy tanked Elsie's slashes without having his armor pierced, heck, even Valkyrie who specializes in offense tanked Brigandine's Axe cutting

Even back when Shiki was more or less comparable to Kris, he tanked his "Windstorm Slash", it diced up the road back on Bluegarden
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Found my answer!
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9837075-1000067044.png

9837077-1000067041.png

9837074-1000067043.png

9837078-1000067045.png

One thing you need to know is that pierce, stab and slashing are not some unique hax/durability negating abilities.

It's just a matter of pressure. Under an equal force, if it's on a smaller surface area, the pressure will be greater and thus can lead to rupture in that region.

At high-level, P=F/A, and if a guy is withstanding 100000N at 100cm^2 contact, he is also very likely to withstand 1000N at 1cm^2 contact area. Amp that by a gazillion times and that's what happens in Edens zero

Anyway, since you asked for showings, base Shiki tanked Nero's dice. They pierced straight through Jaguar, Ziggy, Ground, spaceships, etc.. without obstruction but were bounced back by Shiki's head.

Same Ziggy tanked Elsie's slashes without having his armor pierced, heck, even Valkyrie who specializes in offense tanked Brigandine's Axe cutting

Even back when Shiki was more or less comparable to Kris, he tanked his "Windstorm Slash", it diced up the road back on Bluegarden
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Okay, that's cool an' all, but like, that's not what my question was. I know how piercing attacks work. I was just asking why you asked for proof of peeps taking specifically piercing attacks. When you could just ask for evidence of taking attacks in general.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Okay, that's cool an' all, but like, that's not what my question was. I know how piercing attacks work. I was just asking why you asked for proof of peeps taking specifically piercing attacks. When you could just ask for evidence of taking attacks in general.
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Because of split durability problem fictional characters always runs into. Remember Wonder Woman?
 
Void is such a fkn monster, he can reverse time like it doesn't bother him even in Universe-0.

The history of the multiverse itself gets rewritten including even memories overwritten once an observation is made in Universe-0. Reversing Time in Universe 0 is essentially rebranching the Universe into Infinite Possibilities.


Rebecca almost broke herself in doing so but this guy does it casually.
 
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