Calculate a passage with zero visible shots of the actual passage?
We see it twice.
Or calculate a completely random castle’s passages… didn’t you just finish yet another mocking rant about using Weise instead of the town itself???
You need to learn the difference between calling you out on faulty calcs and actual mocking, it's obnoxious.
And no, if you can't calc it, well then sucks but then you
can't calc it. Some feats just can't be quantified, it sucks but that's how it is.
The fact you can here quantify this based on solid info tho yet chose not to is beyond me.
Dude, we literally see the castle dwarf the town by a huge margin. If you assumed the wall was 7-10m, all the houses would need to be literal crawlspaces at best.
Or maybe the houses just aren't these 10-15m tall things your scaling implicates they are, and the wall is just standard fair? Or maybe the panel is absolutely miniscule and shouldn't be used as the frame of reference to begin with given you're working with like 1-5px scale. Or maybe there's alternate way to scale it. Or maybe a bunch of things, but 60m? If you don't see the problem there that's a personal issue.
And since when are fantasy castles being oversized a surprise? And again, didn’t you just finish yet another rant about assuming sizes based on different towns??
Since absolutely none in Frieren are that big, with most actually falling in line with what you'd expect realistically excluding the capital, but speaking of that, if not even the capital of the continent's fortified wall is that big, we have a huge issue. And when you obtain your value via scaling of a tiny panel, guessing via roads, that are like barely drawn and could be anywhere from like 2m to like 20m, like legit ong we don't know, I wouldn't call that the right choice of action.
Also surely you can not be serious? My point isn't complex enough for you to try to pull that "didn't you just say" slop.
If you, and you are, using baseline averages, in your own words, then, every single possible average known to man, denies your presumptions, you are factually incorrect.
And this doesn't even work, you said there's no info on averages for that type of shit, evidently you didn't look very hard because it took me a total of five minutes to find about a dozen, with the averages being like 3-5m tops. And very large ones being not even 1/3rd yours.
Like dude the point isn't that complex, don't misconstrue it.
No, just no. Arrow perches and tower to tower wall passages are absolutely not meant to accommodate significant traffic, let alone horses who would have to somehow making it up several flights of spiral staircases. I don’t know what kind of castles you’ve been looking at.
Actual castles.
Also you just proved my point, they
aren't meant to accommodate significant traffic, yet yours are bigger than some of the largest in history. Isn't that a bit of a red flag to you? That's rhetorical, your assumptions, which is what they are mind you, lead to inflated results and vastly inconsistent sizes.
Also lmao what? "horses up spiral-", who the hell is putting horses there?
Why are we headcannoning now? Or did you somehow misinterpret me saying the gate needs to be wide enough for horses to mean they're shoving horses up goddamn STAIRS?
Also that's another thing, why would the arrow slits be like, the size of a house in and of itself? That kind of defeats the point no? To protect and be thin enough to attack outward but to prevent infiltration or attacks landing within?
I wasn’t even planning on submitting this considering the lack of CGM activity these days with the fact it won’t change anything,
So? It's a calc, if flawed it can and should be pointed out as such, and it doesn't matter, if you did it right and it checked out, I could have gotten it evaluated easily.
And even if it didn't change anything, a feat is a feat, add it to the pile, better to have it calced than not calced if someone is willing.
calculated more out of curiosity than anything else. Yet considering how invested you seem in nitpicking this I’d thought you’d want to write YOUR version.
I already did tho, I even mentioned as much before you posted yours, hell I even did it in chat like ten diff people saw it, what I do though, has nothing to do with whether your calc is faulty or not, and it is, end of.
Yes, because instant mocking and condensation after thinking you spotted an error or oversight in someone’s calc is totally the only possible recourse for communicating about it or suggesting improvements.
Call it what you want.
Your calc is hyperinflated, your presumptions are absolutely not allowed, you aren't even calcing the thing in question, every single method and assumption you've made has been wrong, multiple you yourself have confirmed to be wrong like your assumption of Weise's building density, not that it matters because this isn't Weise, being off by 17% which is quite a bit given volume cubes, yet still even then it's inflated because you didn't use the proper formula or even that good of a panel to do it from, your entire premise is based off assumptions and guesswork, and instead of actually listening you've opted to argue it as if it isn't all easily fixed that could've been done in like 15m. I don't give a damn if you don't like it man, it needs to be said, that isn't mocking, that isn't even condescending, unless you somehow thought "what are we doing chat", was condescending, in which case no really, because what ARE you doing?
Why would you ever calculate Weise and act like that's equivalent to this town? It's basically the same as calculating New York being blown up and applying it to some suburban town because both "have buildings" or something.
It’d be a wonder if anyone bothered to ever make a second calc for this site if the typical CGM’s first response to them followed your lead.
You would be surprised how many people actively come to me for help with calcing shit, you'd be surprised how many CGM's ask me for help even. If people followed my lead mayhaps we wouldn't need to overhaul calcs constantly.
You’ve now twice implying that if I had simply politely asked you for help you would be graciously willing to aid me. Except your first message immediately sets off as antagonistic and condescending. That is not how anything works.
"Yeah no stopping you right there. Not how this works, they're two completely different towns. If you want to calc it, figure out a way to get that town, which mind you, there's at least 5 ways to do so off the 3 panels we get, not that completely different town. Both being fortified means nothing, you're not even using the fortification as reference but a completely random building, which in and of itself has problems, but most towns in Frieren are fortified, including major capitals, why would a major capital be the same size as some random town? If we followed your logic to get the size, it'd be the same even though we know both implicitly and explicitly they aren't."
This? Hate to break it to you but this was the nice way of putting it, not that there's anything even wrong with
that to being with.
Nothing in there is antagonistic or condescending, it's literally saying no you can't do that shit, here is why, and here's an example to clarify why this is faulty based on your logic. But hey if that's condescending and antagonistic, well, I'd much rather have things be done right as opposed to letting blatant falsehoods slip by.
You know for someone who loves to mock using Weise as a model, it really seems every solution you give is “go model something else”.
You're missing the point entirely.
Ignoring the fact you think calling you out on egregious calc premises is "mocking" as opposed to doing what anyone here should be doing on sight.
You argued that because it looks vaguely like Weise, Weise is a solid equivalent, because they're both fortified towns.
My point is that's completely arbitrary, we see dozens of towns in Frieren with fortified walls, some dense, some not, some big, some small. Your picking of the largest example outside of the capital, makes no sense, what makes it a better pick than THAT town for example? Or the handful of other? That's rhetorical, absolutely nothing, because they're all different towns, as such, you calc THAT town, not Weise, not that town I used as an example to show you HOW they're all different that you somehow misinterpreted as me saying calc that one instead, you calc the town in question, because that's what being effected. nothing more, nothing less.
It is literally the only buildings we see even half of, and they are all at least 2 storeys high. And again, estimating an average using the only samples we get, is not “assuming EVERY building” is two storeys high.
Which isn't exactly a good enough sample size, especially when you're using, again, this completely different dense town as a baseline for building density clutter.
Why are averages still so mystifying?
Good question, why aren't you using them?
Really? You must have a strange house because I typically dont use the inside my floor and ceiling as living space.
Who's counting flooring on the bottom story for a first story house build directly on brick roading?
And ceiling? Lad that's just a handful of cms extra, add like 10cm if ya want ig.
Also that's a bit odd given I gave sources that have both the bottom and top floor listed.
YOU are the one who wanted to talk about Weise’s scale for the other calc even after I had already changed it to a general height of a residential storey for Held’s homeland.
I mean if we want to talk about that calc, there's a handful of problems with it.
As for the spacing, the town you showed is nowhere near the size of Held’s homeland.
Doesn't matter, it has a fortified wall does it not?
Or maybe they're two different towns and treating them as the same is absolutely asinine?
And there is no way to actually calc any of the shots we see for the town itself.
Then DON'T calc it, this isn't complex. Figure out a different method to calc the feat, there's legit 3 different ways to get a value from it besides relying on the town.
I could equally cherry pick a packed district and call it a day for a big jump in the density, but I went to the effort of actually calculating a large sample size and that is what I’m going to stick with.
You didn't calc a sample size, you calced a sample size for this OTHER town, not this one.
I mean, if need be I can get a CGM to tell you to change it, because this is absolutely not ok.
In fact just thinking on it, you can get empty space and density off the panels of the destruction, you can angsize and use pytha to figure out the gaps between the buildings, roads, and whatnot, compare that to the area footprint of the buildings, and you can get a rough idea for the density to empty space of that town via that way. You actually get a handful of shots to do it with too. And the best part is, it'd not only be for THAT town, but it'd even account for the area of destruction in which you could apply for an even more precise final yield.
Not to mention magic wanding Weise was YOUR IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Well yeah you still gotta do it for the other calc no matter what. Def not the panel I would've picked tho.
None of the people next to the buildings in any of those reference shots are Frieren. None of them are elves either. Just regular people, or Macht who is tall.
Lad, most people are like her height or a lil bit taller, but even being a head taller than her is still firmly manlet range.
Macht IS tall, and he's ong probably the only dude who isn't an actual manlet and just normal because of it.
Regardless, fix it, or don't, but if ya don't, we obv can't use it. You have no less than 5 methods to calc tis feat, by your own admission you can't actually calc the town, I don't think that's entirely true but whatever, if you can't, don't, pick a diff method. If you want town density, do what I said, it might take a bit but at least that way you'd get an actual sample size for said town and it can even factor into the destruction, if you want averages, well I gave you like 5 sources now saying the average for that time and types of houses 2-2.5m, Weise having tall buildings means nothing for this one, like there's ways to do it, stop being stubborn and acting like a victim because you got called out for calcing something wrong.
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