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shes fighting a guy who she knows can repeatedly kill someone who can control timelines, and can damage her soul.
i dont think Sans would be inferior in her mind with that info
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Weakest Monster vs. Control Devil (Sans vs. Makima) (8-13-1) (Grace Ended)
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i dont think Sans would be inferior in her mind with that info
Eden_Warlock99
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If she has prior knowledge on the soul damage, wouldn't she just dip out via Princi and let her goons jump sans?
Eden_Warlock99
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She has the LS advantage and can fly, so no
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she has to counteract the TK first.
theres very little time between her getting slammed and bones popping up from the ground.
and he can teleport HER aswell into bones.
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Strength doesn't have much to do with what she believes to be inferior. For instance, Nayuta (despite being a regular human physically) could control Yoru (who was 9-A at the time, with Nayuta being aware that Yoru was powerful) could totally rewrite Yoru's personality.
Catbowtie
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Makima's LS advantage is physical. Sans is specifically interacting with Makima's soul here. Makima would need to demonstrate control over her own soul to resist this. Actually, Sans' Blue Mode is Gravity Manipulation placed on the soul, so, Makima is weighed down anyways.
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that was with chains.
Eden_Warlock99
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Thing is she won't get slammed, having the LS advantage + Flight means sans can't move her with his TK
Something he only started doing midway through his fight and always leaves enough room for the opponent to dodge, especially if they have precog like Makima here
IF he even could do it after she teleports however far away with Princi
Arkansalter2
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She would very quickly realize with San's shenanigans, he is not to be f***ed with.
Eden_Warlock99
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No, it doesn't work like that. Outright rejected in this thread here
"Here's a better question... do you wanna have bad time?" - Sans Profile Rework!
Title said enough lil bro, click here Agree: 1 (@DarkDragonMedeus ) Disagree: 1 (@Maverick_Zero_X [Agrees with Strym, Neutral on Fear Removal]
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she doesnt start off levitating btw.
and yes, she will get slammed. Sans has class 10 LS, far above Makima's weight-- he's slamming her CASUALLY on the premise that she doesn't counteract the force of the TK.
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Catbowtie
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Flight is slow and Makima has no feats of dodging attacks mid-air.
Why is it assumed Makima has Class M lifting strength for her souI. Sans interacting Makima's soul negates her physical statisticsNo, it doesn't work like that. Outright rejected in this thread here
"Here's a better question... do you wanna have bad time?" - Sans Profile Rework!
Title said enough lil bro, click here Agree: 1 (@DarkDragonMedeus ) Disagree: 1 (@Maverick_Zero_X [Agrees with Strym, Neutral on Fear Removal]vsbattles.com
Eden_Warlock99
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That would be the case if he TKs her up, he's trying to slam her down while she's standing so he'd need to overpower her LS here even if she didn't have flight.
But she does, and also has precog, so that goes out of the window.
She's pretty high in the air here, far enough to dodge his first attack.
sans' attacks also aren't intangible anymore so her and her goons can just destroy them too.
Arkansalter2
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How is Makima surviving this again?
Catbowtie
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Gaster Blasters go across the screen instantly. And still, Makima would need to, y'know, actually move. Sans can Time Stop, make some Danmaku, and now Makima needs to dodge mid-air, with no feats of dodging attacks mid-air.
Time Stop + Danmaku mogs tf out of the goons. Less than a second for Karma to kill them, by the way.
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Eden_Warlock99
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Fight is definitely not gonna last that long when sans is getting jumped by dozens upon dozens of Devils who all one-shot him.How is Makima surviving this again?
And that attack is kinda reliant on sans being able to ragdoll the opponent, which he can't here.
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Gonna go with Makima conquest diff and also for some of the reasons @Eden_Warlock99 has pointed out
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yeah, she doesn't like her "scent".
she didnt know who she was beforehand lol.
besides, even if she WAS fully aware of what Yoru could do...
this does NOT AT ALL compare to the info we are giving Makima here.
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At the very least she knew she was dangerous, while again, Nayuta is physically a little girl. The point is that who Makima can and cannot control isn't based on strength. She only couldn't control Pochita because she admired him and his actions, when nothing she knows of Sans here would inspire those same feelings.
Anonymous_Learner
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Nayuta just says she doesn't like her scent in the scan you're showing. She has no knowledge other than that and doesn't know her strength level and is a total stranger to her.
We've had multiple match up on this site where Conquest was taken out of the equation due to her having prior knowledge of something as simple as status to knowing they fought gods so she doesn't view them as inferior (Muzan vs. Makima, Gojo vs. Makima, Ken Kaneki vs. Makima, and Frisk Vs. Makima).
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Prior matches doesn't negate my point.
Anonymous_Learner
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do you still vote for sans now or nah?
Eden_Warlock99
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Oh he has his Time Stop here? I mean, he legit just uses it to set up attacks that are dodgeable, it's not really a gamechanger.
And the Gaster Blasters are far less than a threat when Makima here knows 3 seconds in advance where and when they're going to appear, they themselves don't just fire immediately (Legit how we aimdodge them in-game) and Makima just points at them and they're gone.
Like I need to preface that she can destroy all of sans' attacks, they're not intangible anymore.
And that's assuming she's even stays on the battlefield instead of what she's known to do, just TP out and let her minions handle the rest.
Most of them have huge AoE, are huge themselves and we're talking about dozens upon dozens of them.
They're also corpses being puppeteered so good luck Soul haxing them lol
Anonymous_Learner
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No, they don't. I'm just saying there's precedent for her NOT conquest diffing
Anonymous_Learner
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Sans' soul hax work on Flowey, a being with NO SOUL.
They're getting soul haxed
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I will entertain your idea for a second.
Makima feels a sense of superiority and can control those around her tier in Tier 8 and Tier 7, knowing all of what they can do.
But uh, when the goddamn PRIMALS are out of her reach, what makes you think that a person who has the capability to kill an enemy with a... lemme check...
28 TIER DIFFERENCE
.. would be in her reach of Conquest?
Imagine you're the best boxer in the world, respected among human-standards. Then you get told next week that you're fighting Cosmic Garou, with all of the stuff they tell you about him being true.
it is psychologically impossible to see yourself superior to something that is beyond your comprehension, and incomparable to everything else you've ever seen.
Eden_Warlock99
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Yeah I know, but they're literally puppets. "Killing" corpses isn't going to stop the puppeteer from moving them.
Anonymous_Learner
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Let's see Makima try use them when they're blown to bits with a giant laser that negates durability
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Because she doesn't base her view off of strength? It doesn't work on Primals because they're of higher status than her, it doesn't work on Pochita because she admires him. Makima is never shown caring about how strong someone is even once, so the idea that its based on their strength is unfounded. Regardless, Sans doesn't necessarily win even if Makima can't conquest diff due to Makima's huge A.P advantage and various other hax like Info Manipulation and BFR. And no, Sans can't negate conventional lifting strength with his telekinesis, that was outright rejected here
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Sans soul haxed a girl that had 1-A soul resistance on this site dude
Eden_Warlock99
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It's 9-A, it can only hurt their SOUL lolLet's see Makima try use them when they're blown to bits with a giant laser that negates durability
Anonymous_Learner
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do you vote for sans?
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even if I entertain this, the bones, slam or not, still should come from the ground where she's standing, which again, leads into Danmaku in which she's in risk of even grazing.
Eden_Warlock99
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Because the dura neg isn't just SOUL hax, it's also just legit dura neg.
As an analogy, what you're arguing is that sans can destroy a boulder someone throws at em cause he can kill Flowey.
Eden_Warlock99
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And she has precog. You're acting as if she's going to [SCREW] around against someone she knows can easily kill her.
Oh and again, the Danmaku can be destroyed, with a point, she points at it and it's gone.
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Brother its just a force acted on an object. First of all, does "Bang" even have any notable environmental destruction???
Second off, gaster blasters are multidirectional, and sans is not forced to go with his attack pattern ingame, after the first attack it should be free to do whatevs.
Whats Makima gonna do when Sans uses blue bones, for example?
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