Weakest Monster vs. Control Devil (Sans vs. Makima) (8-13-1) (Grace Ended)

[Anonymous_Learner]

Makima's 40x reactions got removed (Thank the lord) so I can finally make this match up

Sans
Attack Potency: >0.008803 Tons, can negate Durablity with KARMA and Soul Magic
Durability: >0.008803 Tons
Lifting Strength: Unknown Physically, At least >5.38 Tons with Magic

Makima
Attack Potency: 550 tons, 5.5 kilotons with 1K Usage Spear, >128.18 Kilotons with Bang
Durablity: 550 tons, Ressurection makes her difficult to kill
Lifting Strength: >2,549.918 Metric Tons
Mid-High Regeneration Granted
Makima has her swords

Battle takes place in the Judgement Hall from Undertale
Starting Distance is 5 meters
Makima has prior knowledge that Sans has fought two beings capable of controlling, stopping, and starting roughly a thousand timelines and beat them many times over, even getting them to quit in some instances. She also knows he can damage her soul
Both are in-character, but Makima is on edge due to her prior knowledge is far less willing to be hit by things
Sans isn't considered a citizen of Makima's Japan.
Speed is equalized (Though Sans has far higher reactions, has even higher attack speed with Gaster blasters, and Makima has roughly 56.5x higher attack speed with Bang)
Battle ost;


Makima: @That_moron2, @Eden_Warlock99, @Mommyleona, @GodEarh206, @Fallen_Angelicx, @MintyBoi1, @VoidGoji, @GunshyFever
Sans: @Catbowtie, @Gamecooob, @Arkansalter2, @Anonymous_Learner, @Rex_Eckles, @EnderLord8, @ShionAH, @O0DSF0o, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Passersby, @Kavopaco, @Reploidnoridomix, and @StormAcci.
Jin Woo solos (Inconclusive): @Reploidnoridomix

Can Makima catch the dub or is she just another Sans victim?

Update: She's a Sans victim

 

[Catbowtie]

Danmaku diff Ggs

 

[Gamecooob]

soul damage gg

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Danmaku diff Ggs

Bro was waiting for this opportunity .
Vote counted

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Sans FRA

 

[Gamecooob]

atleast make Makima bloodlusted so people can have a 4-page, unexciting argument about mindhax vs soul hax

 

[Catbowtie]

No Makima doesn't need to be blood-lusted. She has win conditions, Sans is just faster.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

atleast make Makima bloodlusted so people can have a 4-page, unexciting argument about mindhax vs soul hax

actually, fair enough. Let's get it.
It'll be too easy for sans otherwise

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

No Makima doesn't need to be blood-lusted. She has win conditions, Sans is just faster.

What win conditions?
Edit: I wanna hear them before I make makima bloodlusted

 

[Catbowtie]

What win conditions?

Makima's Precognition can help her with the initial Danmaku. Enhanced Senses tells her when Gaster Blasters are coming. Makima can also use Devil Contracts for herself. She can go Intangible or Cosmo diff Sans.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Makima's Precognition can help her with the initial Danmaku. Enhanced Senses tells her when Gaster Blasters are coming. Makima can also use Devil Contracts for herself. She can go Intangible or Cosmo diff Sans.

What kind of Intangibility is it? Magic can hit ghosts so if its that kind of Intangibility then it's useless.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Makima's Precognition can help her with the initial Danmaku. Enhanced Senses tells her when Gaster Blasters are coming. Makima can also use Devil Contracts for herself. She can go Intangible or Cosmo diff Sans.

huh. Not bad win cons. hmm

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

What kind of Intangibility is it? Magic can hit ghosts so if its that kind of Intangibility then it's useless.

that's also a good point.

 

[Gamecooob]

Makima's Precognition can help her with the initial Danmaku.

his first move kinda is just him slamming his opponent down with TK (and LS argument is kinda moot as she needs to counteract the force to escape it, perhaps she would.)

Cosmo diff Sans.

doesnt her minions need to be there in the first place?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

his first move kinda is just him slamming his opponent down with TK (and LS argument is kinda moot as she needs to counteract the force to escape it, perhaps she would.)

I think she can over power it though LS, idk tho

doesnt her minions need to be there in the first place?

She always has them as standard equipment so, I believe the assumption is that she always has them around her in these battles

 

[Gamecooob]

I think she can over power it though LS.

yeah but if she just stands still and doesnt do anything to counteract the force, she'll still get slammed.

She always has them as standard equipment so, I believe the assumption is that she always has them around her in these battles

sounds like them guys will get cramped in that corridor ngl

 

[Catbowtie]

What kind of Intangibility is it? Magic can hit ghosts so if its that kind of Intangibility then it's useless.

There's like, three different forms of Intangibility on Makima's Profile.

• Beam
  • Intangibility (Able to become intangible and swim through any surface from walls to the ground to the floor of a surface)

• Prinz
  • Intangibility (Able to turn intangible to hide in the ground for surprise attacks)

• The Ghost Devil
  • Intangibility & Possible Incorporeality (Through Himeno or Akane, should be able to access the Ghost Devil's hands which are untouchable to the norm)

doesnt her minions need to be there in the first place?

No. Makima can do it by herself.

his first move kinda is just him slamming his opponent down with TK (and LS argument is kinda moot as she needs to counteract the force to escape it, perhaps she would.)

She doesn't need to. Sans attacks after he slams down with TK.

Can we get Stryum in here? Because there's a case to be mad that Makima will know about some of the danmaku, since there's little red indications the bones are coming. Is that Game Mechanics? Or is that something Frisk actually sees?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I think i'm gonna at least put Makima on edge so she doesn't let stuff hit her like usual and I'll see if bloodlust is needed

 

[Catbowtie]

I think Makima's fine tbh. Precognition gives her 6 seconds of knowledge on Sans' Danmaku, and enough time to get her stuff off if she can dodge it.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Can we get Stryum in here? Because there's a case to be mad that Makima will know about some of the danmaku, since there's little red indications the bones are coming. Is that Game Mechanics? Or is that something Frisk actually sees?

Feel free. Also I feel that's Frisk (or rather the player control frisk in universe) exclusive

 

[Gamecooob]

since there's little red indications the bones are coming.

imo its game mechanics, since those are kinda needed to let first-time players know when to jump up and how HIGH they should jump up.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I think Makima's fine tbh. Precognition gives her 6 seconds of knowledge on Sans' Danmaku, and enough time to get her stuff off if she can dodge it.

Precognition is useless if she plays it like usual and lets stuff far slower than her like bullets and things hit her

 

[Gamecooob]

I don't think Makima is even aware that those bones are soul-damage, she'd just try to tank them as use', no?

 

[Catbowtie]

Yea, fair enough, Makima would try to tank and get soul destroyed. Might as well give Makima Low-High Regen because it ain't changing anything.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Makima's on edge now.
Do you guys feel this changes thing or nah?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Yea, fair enough, Makima would try to tank and get soul destroyed. Might as well give Makima Low-High Regen because it ain't changing anything.

She already has Mid-High Regen since the begining of the matchup...not that it really matters in this case

 

[Catbowtie]

She already has Mid-High Regen since the begining of the matchup...not that it really matters in this case

I confused Low-High with Mid-High. The naming of Regeneration Types are confusing.

 

[Gamecooob]

The fight COULD get more flavorful if Makima has knowledge on soul damage.
unless she just does some BFR or insta-bang

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I confused Low-High with Mid-High. The naming of Regeneration Types are confusing.

that's completely fair. I do that all the time
I resettled the votes due to Makima now being on edge. Do you still vote for sans or nah?

 

[Catbowtie]

BFR requires preparation on Makima's part. Bang is a gesture. Sans' TK cancels Bang and bones are thought-based. So Makima loses in a quick-draw.

 

[Gamecooob]

The soul-hax merchant claims yet another victim.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The fight COULD get more flavorful if Makima has knowledge on soul damage.
unless she just does some BFR or insta-bang

Soul knowlege granted, let's see where this goes

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The soul-hax merchant claims yet another victim.

Is that a vote?

 

[Gamecooob]

I mean, this time she'll just try to insta-bang (i think), then get surprised by TK and just get *****

 

[Catbowtie]

Well, Makima knows Sans can damage her soul, but not how, so she'll play safe and dodge any attacks she can. However, the problem is that Sans' danmaku is fast (moves faster than Frisk can) and happens in complex patterns. The 6 second Precognition will help her out in the first moments, but afterwards, Makima has to use her own combat skill. I don't think Makima can survive a long time. Sans' Karma kills in actually less than a second. Even a small tap will obliterate Makima.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

k. I'll count Catbowie's vote. Gamecoob, do you vote for sans?

 

[Gamecooob]

gimme a vote for snes

 

[Arkansalter2]

Makima ain't surviving this lmfao.
Voting Sans, low diff.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

k.
Voting sans as well

 

[That_moron2]

Isn't conquest thought based?