I believe it's enough tbh. Type 1 concept standards aren't necessarily strict and you only have to prove some idea of independence such as existing before. You don't even need evidence of existing both before and after just one or other.
Small correction: death isn't shadow realm itself, death is the process of purification from corruption that instills finality into all beings. that process happens within shadow realm, but it can be entered and left by means other than dying, Sunny as heir of Death has his small realm where he sends his dead instead of shadow realm, therefore escaping shadow realm or affecting it doesnt neccessarily translate to negating/overpowering death as concept.
Yea, I don't have any particular issue with the concepts used by Cursed beings being type 3 unless further evidence proves they're universal.
Hmm… doesn’t this just imply Death = Shadow Realm? If Shadow God = Death and Shadow God = Shadow Realm then Death = Shadow Realm.
I wouldn't say Shadow God is literally Death (or else he created himself lmfao while he still existed). Just that it's his relationship of being the creator of Death that makes him "Death".
The scan says that he became it after he created it. So he existed as not-death before he made death.
Well the Shadow God dies but the concept itself remains. Either his death here isn't the literal cessation of existence but some vague state of being, or Shadow God's existence is independent from Death as his death had no effect on the concept of death. Neither of these options contradict type 1.
no, shadow realm may exist pre death as normal realm while when death was created, it was instilled within shadow realm(shadow god) as a process that brings finality to everything within it
Depending on what you mean by “instill”, that might disqualify Type 1, since I comprehend this reply as if saying that the Law of Space can be “instilled” into Space itself (which if it were to mean “merge” in any way, it would disqualify Type 1.)
It's not necessarily an anti-feat for type 1 either as type 1 isn't independence of absolutely anything, but the independence of the particulars. Shadow God's death is separate from the concept of death existing as it functions and continues as normal. So therefore Shadow God can't be Death as a concept, as the concept itself remains the same despite his death. None of this is in any relation to its particulars, nor would contradict anything. Shadow God is "Death" in the sense of that it's a mechanic imposed by the Absolute Law that souls go to the shadow realm upon their death. Death is more so the end of ones life and those who die have their souls sent to the shadow realm. The shadow realm isn't literally the process of ones life ending but just a place where those who die end up.
By 'instill' i mean that gods used concepts as weapons, the way Shadow God can use Death as a weapon is to invoke it on everything that was trapped inside him/shadow realm. so shadow god could trap beings inside shadow realm pre-death and post-death he can destroy everything trapped within him completely
Well, I’ma stay 50/50 until mods show up then.
Agree.
Fine.
Do you a scan that death remained unchanged or unaffected that shadow god's death.
This looks fine.
Idk if there's a particular scan for this although it is shown in the story that concept still functions normally, like peoples die, corruption is purified and stuff like that. This is what sunny is also saying because of which they can still kill cursed monsters and retrieve sacred soul shards from them which are purified by death.
well if shadow god is dead since the start then, i agree it being a type 1 concept
We simply know that death is concept. It existed before Shadow Realm too. I don't think your second version is any possible.
The issue is that it explicitly says Shadow God became Death after he created it. Being made before Shadow Realm generally means nothing now that we know that Absolute Laws can merge with other stuff.
Quite the opposite. It died, was swallowed by Shadow Realm, then escaped the Realm. It still died, so even it wasn't free of death, even though it could break free of Shadow Realm.
That’s not my point…
That's incorrect, only the shadows of dead peoples goes in shadow realm not even souls. They're converted to soul shards which are purified by concept of death. And for those shadows they're crushed by shadow realm into essence(energy) and that essence is sent back to world. So it's like the cycle of energy.
I’m saying that the particular sort of Death that revolves around the Shadow Realm is what the Absolute Laws of Death is. Whether or not there are exceptions doesn’t change the fact that the Death in the Law of Death is the Shadow Realm and whatever. The core issue is still there.
Death extends beyond Shadow Realm because it destroyes corruption within nightmare creatures in normal realms, sending their shadow in shadow realm where it gets further grinded and allowing to collect soul shards
I mean, this could still be a process of the Shadow Realm like how being swallowed by it is, but I don’t know the necessary lore here, so I’ma wait for opposition to comment. Otherwise, I guess I’m more inclined to agree.
It does. If beings can die without being swallowed by Shadow Realm, then Law of Death = Shadow Realm is wrong. Shadow Realm is just place where shadows(which means that their owners are already dead) are turned into pure essence. If it was depended, then Law of Death wouldn't work on beings with no shadow, which is likely the case for Void beings.
The scan is Shadow God becoming Death after creating it. If a God can merge with Death, then it makes sense for the Realm that it’s body literally is to merge as well.
No it does because it doesn’t excuse the fact that it would still be the Realm itself, with it’s effects simply seeping elsewhere. In fact, the only way I see your point working is if the Absolute Law of Death is completely unrelated to the Shadow Realm or Shadow God’s body or being. Or it could be that the Law of Death isn’t even talking about real biological death, but instead just Shadow Realm stuff meaning there are 2 forma of death.
No, they're entirely different. Sunny's soul sea is completely irrelevant to Shadow Realm. For example it doesn't do essence cycle process. So it's not that "it's Shadow Realm's effect beyond the Realm".
Essentially, what I'm getting from this is that the Absolute Laws predate Existence, have always existed, and the world came after them, which is characteristic of Type 1 Concepts.
So, yeah, I agree with Type 2 Concepts.
Gods are not absolute laws. This was only the case with shadow god. And even he died and the concept of death still exists. This scan also says that gods exists outside the boundary of absolute laws and are distinct from them ig so wdyt?
That's incorrect, Gods and Absolute Laws are different.
Gods that are bounded by Absolute Laws are imperfect versions, they created ALs when they were perfect, and used as weapons.
I see. Doesn't really change anything, though.
From what I can tell, this scan is saying they exist outside their boundary, but then specifically says they are not free from them, just can take more liberties. Unless there's something that states otherwise, this would imply Shadow God was still not free of the other Absolute Laws, despite being one, which implies Absolute Laws affect one another and themselves.
