Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[BlackLight]

when was it even mentioned that it takes same imaginary energy for emanator to beat one? in the fight we werent even using imaginary energy we were just jumping sunday till our power matched his and beat him what the?

Let's take it one step at a time.

1)I didn't say it would take the same power as an emanator to beat him, I said it would take the same power to counter it.

2)The sunday emanator was the one who set up ena's dream, Acheron then cuts off ena's dream, everyone wakes up, and Sunday is apparently debuffed by it.

well its not just emanator of destruction, theres literal calc of emanator of erudition herta having galaxy lvl+ feat

3) That's right, Herta has a feat creating galaxies that is calculated as galaxy+.

But again "creating", not destroying.

What I propose is that what for destruction Emanators is AP/DC, for the rest of Emanators of other Paths should be translated only as range(AoE), or resistance (in case in the future there will be some feat).

Emanators are still scalable with acheorn statement, fact that lygus and herta clash is evidenty shown to be "mutual self destruction" which is like worst outcome of the fight, and herta stating that 3 emanator level or higher having destructive power bigger than chadwick bombs which include destruction of 24 planets with the space between them. I dont see why scaling them to each other in same tier is an issue, sure Lord Ravagers are stronger than the rest but that doesnt mean we should put them whole 30 tiers below them at all.

4) Precisely, that partly agrees with me.

Let's suppose that three Emanators face each other, one of Erudition, one of hunting, and one of beauty.

The mention of herta proposes that the combined damage between the three would be greater than Chadwick's bomb, in contrast, a single emanator of destruction can destroy galaxies.

5)I partly understand what you are saying, all Emanators are on the same level. They have the same amount of imaginary energy.

That's why above I propose that what for those of destruction is AP or DC, for the rest is at least Area of Effect.

 

[Community_Gamer]

You're missing the point, it's not an issue of feats vs mentions. It's a matter of plausibility and correlation between different points.

Acheron mentions that it takes the same power (in the sense of amount of Imaginary energy) as an emanator to counter it.

An emanator of destruction is galaxy or Multigalaxy, hence any emanator should have that same level. At first glance it sounds "logical".

But at depth it is not, the paths work in different ways. It is logical that the path of destruction is endorsed with feats of destruction, but the others do not necessarily follow that logic.

An emanator of order or propagation would be presented in the same way, I doubt it. And you have sunday as an example.

Thank you. I couldn't say it any better

 

[Community_Gamer]

The mention of Welt, personally, seems to me to be more related to the chain of command, rather than to power.

If we go to the facts, well.... A phantalya avatar brutally humiliated Jing Yuan, I doubt very much that he is equivalent to 100% phantalya.

In any case, I have to reread the Loufu, I don't remember a lot of things.

Yeah I mean it was specifically stated they only one because Phantiliya was cocky and tried to turn Jing Yuan into a Voidranger

 

[Executor_N0]

40 pulls for Saber LC.

I guess I already got everything I wanted in this patch lol

I returned to play around the time the crossover had already been announced, midway in Anaxa's update (Which I got in my first 10 pull, I guess the game is programmed to do that once someone returns to play after years not playing since 1.3). After that I saved all my pulls for the next update because I wanted to get The Herta since I didn't have any main DPS that could do the content. I guess I saved about 200 tickets, but I got Herta and her LC and thought to just save for the Fate collab.

But then I got the problem of just not having sustain (Only had Luocha as an active healer that could deal with something), so I pulled for Hyacine as I progressed for the main quests, side-quests, and events, and it was truly the worst. I basically hit late soft-pity twice, as I lost 50/50, but after finally getting her I thought "Now save for the Fate collab", but then as I progressed in the quests, I also wanted to pull for Phainon, so as I saved 200 by basically finishing all the content I didn't play in the last 2 years, I used it to pull for Phainon, his LC, Sunday, his LC (Got two of them) and I had no hopes of getting Saber this path anymore, I thought I would just wait until the next 2 paths to see if I would get the chance to get her, but I couldn't wait and I used everything else I had squeezed since I stopped pulling after getting Sunday's LC, and somehow with 60 extra pulls I was able to get both Saber and her LC.

I guess this is good enough to put me into the game again after not playing for about 2 years lol But I guess this is where my luck should end, now just farming to get good relics and upgrade traces so I can make these characters all playable.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Collab spoiler: Sampo is the one who sold the Grail to Oti in the collab. Once again pointing to the power level of our glorious king.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Let's take it one step at a time.

1)I didn't say it would take the same power as an emanator to beat him, I said it would take the same power to counter it.

2)The sunday emanator was the one who set up ena's dream, Acheron then cuts off ena's dream, everyone wakes up, and Sunday is apparently debuffed by it.

Acheron was dealing with effects of a dreamscape, while we were dealing with sunday and his emanator power, thats why she said that in order to beat him we would need same level as his.

3) That's right, Herta has a feat creating galaxies that is calculated as galaxy+.

But again "creating", not destroying.

What I propose is that what for destruction Emanators is AP/DC, for the rest of Emanators of other Paths should be translated only as range(AoE), or resistance (in case in the future there will be some feat).

NO, sorry but that doesnt work, creating or destroying doesnt matter, that is AP and its like that on wiki, theres literal reason why tiering system says "create and/or destroy" so in no way is it just AOE for all other emanators. ur arguing that she needs to have same DC as her AP which doesnt need to be the case.
I know that you mean that Creation feats arent always scalable but in case of emanators many cases prove that their creation/destruction powers scale very well within them.

4) Precisely, that partly agrees with me.

Let's suppose that three Emanators face each other, one of Erudition, one of hunting, and one of beauty.

it can be anyone really, including lord ravagers. herta didnt specify any path so its basically assuming every emanators path can do it

The mention of herta proposes that the combined damage between the three would be greater than Chadwick's bomb, in contrast, a single emanator of destruction can destroy galaxies.

The entire reason for me putting emanators in the same scoop as lord ravagers is due to how the lore puts all emanators in the same scope of power, lord ravagers are obviously the ones with most cases of destructive capacity feats as their literal path they follow is all abt destruction, thats why welt literally says that you wont be having someone like harmony path stirring up massive destruction despite their emanators being extremly powerful.

5)I partly understand what you are saying, all Emanators are on the same level. They have the same amount of imaginary energy.

That's why above I propose that what for those of destruction is AP or DC, for the rest is at least Area of Effect.

again i disagree, i dont see a reason why other emanator scalings is mostly AOE and not AP. this doesnt work like that. Especially when we know clash between emanators is, well DESTRUCTIVE.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

All my reserved energy were spent. i was just thinking to myself that it would be funny if i do my last 5 pulls and get her
and actually got her

 

[PedjaTarzan]

this.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Anyway. I have a theory that. In order to harm an Aeon you must first be gazed upon by it. because by casting their Gaze, they are acknowledging you as something that exist and can have direct interaction with them.

Hence, most of the Lord Ravager's followers somehow have a different path, where they are gazed at.

This plays into the idea that by default, none can reach an Aeon through their own powers until they are gazed upon and now have a connection to draw upon their power, which then can be used as a method to reach them

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Anyway. I have a theory that. In order to harm an Aeon you must first be gazed upon by it. because by casting their Gaze, they are acknowledging you as something that exist and can have direct interaction with them.

Hence, most of the Lord Ravager's followers somehow have a different path, where they are gazed at.

i think only celenova and irontomb have justified reason to have 2 paths, Celenova rose from ashes of Emanator of Harmony, while Irontomb was an Nous neuron, got forsook, got angry, got gazed at by Nanook, became lord ravager.

This plays into the idea that by default, none can reach an Aeon through their own powers until they are gazed upon and now have a connection to draw upon their power, which then can be used as a method to reach them

well yea basically that, emanators unlike pathstriders get powers directly from aeon themselves, look at aha, blud just came and gave its own share of power to a literal worm to become emanator

 

[Voidnether]

You're missing the point, it's not an issue of feats vs mentions. It's a matter of plausibility and correlation between different points.

Acheron mentions that it takes the same power (in the sense of amount of Imaginary energy) as an emanator to counter it.

An emanator of destruction is galaxy or Multigalaxy, hence any emanator should have that same level. At first glance it sounds "logical".

But at depth it is not, the paths work in different ways. It is logical that the path of destruction is endorsed with feats of destruction, but the others do not necessarily follow that logic.

An emanator of order or propagation would be presented in the same way, I doubt it. And you have sunday as an example.

Erudition having their Pathstriders capable of annihilating a whole galaxy in a nanosecond, Giant Sting who's the lowest in the hierarchy covers like 4-A and Emanator of Order is literally capable of creating laws across the cosmos (universe / imaginary tree) itself.

It's basically the same thing ANYWAY

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Erudition having their Pathstriders capable of annihilating a whole galaxy in a nanosecond,

i tought this would be innacurate, but given scepters are literal neuron of nous and powered by erudition this is literally Accurate.

Giant Sting who's the lowest in the hierarchy covers like 4-A and Emanator of Order is literally capable of creating laws across the cosmos (universe / imaginary tree) itself.

Propagation emanator can shatter celestial bodies with their breath vro, and thats like just a tip of the iceberg given they dwarf 4-A giant sting in terms of power

 

[Hsharpe]

Okay so, since Welt stated that the Arbiter-Generals are in no way inferior to Lord Ravagers, and Lord Ravagers can destroy whole galaxies, would this mean Arbiter-Generals can also destroy galaxies too?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Okay so, since Welt stated that the Arbiter-Generals are in no way inferior to Lord Ravagers, and Lord Ravagers can destroy whole galaxies, would this mean Arbiter-Generals can also destroy galaxies too?

the statement mostly refers to lord ravagers not being above generals by a mile, we saw that JY can keep up with Phantylia, whose only advantages were her large size and hax.
I dont think this means they are 1:1 to DC but in terms of sheer power? yea they are very close

 

[Voidnether]

This is how it feels like everytime a character had to fight March's 12-D ice smurf

 

[Community_Gamer]

Okay so, since Welt stated that the Arbiter-Generals are in no way inferior to Lord Ravagers, and Lord Ravagers can destroy whole galaxies, would this mean Arbiter-Generals can also destroy galaxies too?

no

 

[Community_Gamer]

the statement mostly refers to lord ravagers not being above generals by a mile, we saw that JY can keep up with Phantylia, whose only advantages were her large size and hax.
I dont think this means they are 1:1 to DC but in terms of sheer power? yea they are very close

I think it basically means that each organization is comparable to one another. If Zephro is the strongest Ravager, and only they are Multi-Galactic level. Then it would stand to reason the there'd be a member of the Aribiter-Generals that are equally as strong (probably Marshall Hua). That's how I think of the statement not that each member scales to one another

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

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[BlackLight]

Have fun

Altria Pendragon (Honkai: Star Rail)

Saber (セイバー Seibā?) is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of the Trailblazer summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. Her real name is Altria Pendragon, also known as King Arthur. She is the King of Knights who once ruled the kingdom of Britain. Tier...

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EMIYA (Honkai: Star Rail)

Archer is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Aventurine summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. His real name is EMIYA and he is dedicated to protecting his planet as a Heroic Spirit and Counter Guardian. Tier: Low 1-C, higher with Unlimited...

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That's too bad, but meh. In the future someone will make a CRT about it.

Anyway, did anyone notice that during the fate event, the narrator gives a mention that the characters could destroy 10 penacony's ?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That's too bad, but meh. In the future someone will make a CRT about it.

Anyway, did anyone notice that during the fate event, the narrator gives a mention that the characters could destroy 10 penacony's ?

Do you have a pic

 

[BlackLight]

Do you have a pic

Yeah, but in spanish.

First

Second

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah, but in spanish.

First

Second

Im like 80% sure the holy grail war event itself is not canon. Not sure

 

[SilentLyfe]

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Altria Pendragon (Honkai: Star Rail)

Saber (セイバー Seibā?) is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of the Trailblazer summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. Her real name is Altria Pendragon, also known as King Arthur. She is the King of Knights who once ruled the kingdom of Britain. Tier...

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EMIYA (Honkai: Star Rail)

Archer is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Aventurine summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. His real name is EMIYA and he is dedicated to protecting his planet as a Heroic Spirit and Counter Guardian. Tier: Low 1-C, higher with Unlimited...

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So besides the tier is there any changes between this and their regular Fate profiles when it returns?

 

[BlackLight]

So besides the tier is there any changes between this and their regular Fate profiles when it returns?

Yes, we'll have to see how they handle the scalling But the best feat, I think they already upgraded/downgraded it to just "Small planet".

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So besides the tier is there any changes between this and their regular Fate profiles when it returns?

I have zero idea what is even happening with the nasuverse rn. All i know is the hsr counterparts are unaffected by whatever is happening with their CRTs

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Im like 80% sure the holy grail war event itself is not canon. Not sure

you should put in note that collab event isnt canon so that people dont go wild abt her being tier 3 in hsr and tier 5 on nasu

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

"Do not attempt to cross scale Saber to her main version as the Honkai: Star Rail Fate storyline is not canon to the Nasuverse"

Is that fine

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can someone make a Miss Note profile

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

those crispy images I'm tempted to replace it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

those crispy images I'm tempted to replace it

Please replace the chrysos heirs and servant renders

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Does anyone have the OST of saber using Excalibur in the cutscene

 

[Voidnether]

Yes, we'll have to see how they handle the scalling But the best feat, I think they already upgraded/downgraded it to just "Small planet".

Small planet when penacony is stated to be a star system in the asdana galaxy

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Small planet when penacony is stated to be a star system in the asdana galaxy

When they said small planet, they meant nasuverse scaling

 

[BlackLight]

When they said small planet, they meant nasuverse scaling

Speaking of Asdana

I think a note should be added saying precisely that Asdana covers millions of light years.

Asdana Size.

 

[Voidnether]

Speaking of Asdana

I think a note should be added saying precisely that Asdana covers millions of light years.

Asdana Size.

Oh yeah I realized about this a while ago when I watched reactions for penacony story, but eh I kinda forgot about it lmao

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I am 3+ months out of contributing since im on a j*b in another country, so i do not hold any responsibility if the verse goes hyperwank or hyperdownplay (if u ever downgrade jt make jt above genshin)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I am 3+ months out of contributing since im on a j*b in another country, so i do not hold any responsibility if the verse goes hyperwank or hyperdownplay (if u ever downgrade jt make jt above genshin)

@Voidnether it’s your time to shine

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Please replace the chrysos heirs and servant renders

do they really need to be transparent background?

 

[Voidnether]

@Voidnether it’s your time to shine

No genshin wank will be permitted when any/each of genshin CRTs requires 3 staff approvals

 

[Voidnether]

Post F/SN

"Oh well, Saber and Archer shouldn't have their abilities scaled to their F/SN counterpart!!"

It's post F/SN

What is post F/SN again...

Ignoring the agendas and all that and the abilities lacking scans most of the time from F/SN itself, it's kinda funny how people are treating it as if they're different when obviously what happened are after the incidents of F/SN lol. It wouldn't make sense if they can't be scaled given it's Nasu himself that stated it anyway (HSR downplayers will always find a way to cope like how they downplayed the most blatant galaxy feats into planetary system) not even a star system