One Piece - Wano Country Arc Calc Removals

[Damage3245]

As a result of this thread being accepted, these three size calculations for Onigashima, the Flower Capital and the Bajrang Gun are being removed. Consequently any AP and Lifting Strength calcs that depends on those size values will be removed:

• Zoro Cuts Onigashima Horn: Low 6-B (1.92 Teratons)
• Kaidou's Lesser Lift: High 6-B (103.83 Teratons)
• Kaidou's Greater Lift: High 6-B (162 Teratons)
• Onigashima Kinetic Energy: High 6-B (337.78 Teratons)
• Momonsuke Pulls Onigashima 6-A (2.28 Petatons)
• Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Bajrang Gun (Pre-Decompression): High 6-A (12.428 Exatons)
• Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Bajrang Gun (Post-Decompression): High 6-A (13.8 Exatons)
• Kaido lifts Onigashima: Class P (1.6817523e+17 Kg)
• Momonsuke pulls Onigashima: Class E (1.05305767e+18 Kg)
• Bajrang Gun: Class Z (3.5183386e+22 Kg)

Most characters currently scale far higher for AP, so this will affect only a couple profiles as far as justifications go, but Lifting Strength will be largely downgraded to Class P via Fujitora's feat:

Kaidou's Lifting Strength

Lifting Strength: Class P (Comparable to Big Mom), higher in Full Zoan Form (Was capable of trapping Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy in his mouth, and later made Gear Five Luffy struggle with his jaw strength), higher with Flame Clouds (Lifted Onigashima hundreds of kilometers off the ocean)


Momonosuke's Stats

Attack Potency: Unknown, possibly Moon level in dragon form (Was able to bite into Kaido's dragon form making him scream in pain. Blasted a hole through Admiral Ryokugyu's golem form and burned it down with his Bolo Breaths despite the admiral previously negating Raizo's Fire Release with his Fireproof Forest)

Lifting Strength: Unknown (But likely stronger than before), Class P in Zoan Form, higher with Flame Clouds (Stated that although he could not create enough Flame Clouds to lift Onigashima, he could manipulate Kaidou's already existing ones to do so)

Striking Strength: Unknown, possibly Moon level in dragon form

Durability: At least City level (Has inherited his father's toughness, took a full force hit from Nami), possibly Moon level in dragon form (Took a slam from Ryokugyu. Should be at least be comparable to his strength as dragons are noted for their toughness)

Other changes will just be the characters directly scaling to Kaidou's and Momonosuke's Lifting Strength values being adjusted. The scaling chain section of the verse page is currently very out of date, so that will need tweaking too.


EDIT: Locking this CRT while something on the other thread is sorted out.

EDIT 2: Re-opened the thread as the other thread has been sorted out.

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Votes

Agree: Damage3245, Nierre, FinePoint, Maverick Zero X

Disagree:

 

[Agnaa]

As a result of this thread being accepted, these three size calculations for Onigashima, the Flower Capital and the Bajrang Gun are being removed.

I just counted evaluating staff votes:

Agree: 3 (Damage3245, Therefir, TheRustyOne)

Disagrees with arguments made, but some recalcs may be fine: 1 (Dalesean027 [One, Two, Three])

Disagree: 1 (CloverDragon03)

I don't think three agrees and two disagrees is sufficient support to conclude. Reopening this.

 

[Damage3245]

The other thread has wrapped up, so this one has been re-opened.

 

[Eseseso]

Looks ok.

Tbh I'm just glad One Piece became flat-out tier 5 before the size nerfs.

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a little please. I would like to try to evaluate the other thread first as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Never mind. I just noticed that the previous thread was a calc group forum discussion.

 

[Keeweed]

Do these feats being removed not call into question if the 5-C is an outlier and the size of the planet if even just this single place is this wildly inconsistent

 

[Da3ggman]

Do these feats being removed not call into question if the 5-C is an outlier and the size of the planet if even just this single place is this wildly inconsistent

5-C maybe (though I think I saw an extra calc in that range lying around), but idk why the size of the planet would be up for the chopping block. Is it because Wano is inconsistent, so using other countries like Alabasta would be too?

 

[Damage3245]

Do these feats being removed not call into question if the 5-C is an outlier and the size of the planet if even just this single place is this wildly inconsistent

Possibly, but that isn't something that needs to be covered by this thread.

 

[Keeweed]

I’ll talk about it with you later yeah, I realized after sending the original message that would be better. Seems my edit on my comment didn’t go through.

 

[Bananossauro]

How do they scale to fuji LS feat?

 

[Damage3245]

@Dark_Soul20189 Please take it to my DM's if you'd prefer. It's not relevant to this thread.

 

[Damage3245]

How do they scale to fuji LS feat?

Through scaling to Luffy who scales via this currently:

Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Considerably stronger than his younger self, who could pull a massive golden ball with this much force), Class P with Gear 4th: Boundman (Broke Doflamingo's threads with brute strength, which are capable of holding back the force of a meteor brought down by Fujitora.)

Though I'm doubtful about that scaling.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Do these feats being removed not call into question if the 5-C is an outlier and the size of the planet if even just this single place is this wildly inconsistent

There's someone here who definitely wants it to be regardless of if it's reasonable or not

 

[Raiden38]

As a result of this thread being accepted, these three size calculations for Onigashima, the Flower Capital and the Bajrang Gun are being removed. Consequently any AP and Lifting Strength calcs that depends on those size values will be removed:

• Zoro Cuts Onigashima Horn: Low 6-B (1.92 Teratons)
• Kaidou's Lesser Lift: High 6-B (103.83 Teratons)
• Kaidou's Greater Lift: High 6-B (162 Teratons)
• Onigashima Kinetic Energy: High 6-B (337.78 Teratons)
• Momonsuke Pulls Onigashima 6-A (2.28 Petatons)
• Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Bajrang Gun (Pre-Decompression): High 6-A (12.428 Exatons)
• Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Bajrang Gun (Post-Decompression): High 6-A (13.8 Exatons)
• Kaido lifts Onigashima: Class P (1.6817523e+17 Kg)
• Momonsuke pulls Onigashima: Class E (1.05305767e+18 Kg)
• Bajrang Gun: Class Z (3.5183386e+22 Kg)

Most characters currently scale far higher for AP, so this will affect only a couple profiles as far as justifications go, but Lifting Strength will be largely downgraded to Class P via Fujitora's feat:

Kaidou's Lifting Strength

Lifting Strength: Class P (Comparable to Big Mom), higher in Full Zoan Form (Was capable of trapping Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy in his mouth, and later made Gear Five Luffy struggle with his jaw strength), higher with Flame Clouds (Lifted Onigashima hundreds of kilometers off the ocean)


Momonosuke's Stats

Attack Potency: Unknown, possibly Moon level in dragon form (Was able to bite into Kaido's dragon form making him scream in pain. Blasted a hole through Admiral Ryokugyu's golem form and burned it down with his Bolo Breaths despite the admiral previously negating Raizo's Fire Release with his Fireproof Forest)

Lifting Strength: Unknown (But likely stronger than before), Class P in Zoan Form, higher with Flame Clouds (Stated that although he could not create enough Flame Clouds to lift Onigashima, he could manipulate Kaidou's already existing ones to do so)

Striking Strength: Unknown, possibly Moon level in dragon form

Durability: At least City level (Has inherited his father's toughness, took a full force hit from Nami), possibly Moon level in dragon form (Took a slam from Ryokugyu. Should be at least be comparable to his strength as dragons are noted for their toughness)

Other changes will just be the characters directly scaling to Kaidou's and Momonosuke's Lifting Strength values being adjusted. The scaling chain section of the verse page is currently very out of date, so that will need tweaking too.


EDIT: Locking this CRT while something on the other thread is sorted out.

EDIT 2: Re-opened the thread as the other thread has been sorted out.

I agree for now

 

[Antvasima]

There's someone here who definitely wants it to be regardless of if it's reasonable or not

Yes, I have also noticed that Damage has seemed extremely focused on downgrading One Piece over the years.

 

[Damage3245]

Yes, I have also noticed that Damage has seemed extremely focused on downgrading One Piece over the years.

 

[Kachon123]

corny

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yes, I have also noticed that Damage has seemed extremely focused on downgrading One Piece over the years.

Can I get a Gumi Bear in chat please

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yes, I have also noticed that Damage has seemed extremely focused on downgrading One Piece over the years.

See, Ant gets me

This might just be the corniest thing I've seen you post

 

[Damage3245]

This might just be the corniest thing I've seen you post

Probably, yeah. I couldn't resist that little joke.

 

[SlendVeny]

See, this would be funny if anyone except one of the people in the image posted it.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

forgot to add my boi floxy

 

[Eseseso]

Idc what the others say, this funny.

 

[MeiouHades]

Yes, I have also noticed that Damage has seemed extremely focused on downgrading One Piece over the years.

In fairness, he's consistent. He takes a conservative route with every verse.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

In fairness, he's consistent. He takes a conservative route with every verse.

Naw he endorsed 3-A Yhwach once upon a time, he’s a wanker

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Man has a title lmao
Anyways, I guess this makes sense, seeing as the calc group thread concluded in favour of removing the size calcs so these would be invalid.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Bro dropping two Lex quotes like we wouldn’t realize

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Bro dropping two Lex quotes like we wouldn’t realize

Well, I didn't really want to have any names in the ss just in case it would be considered harassment or something. I originally just had the full post lol

 

[MeiouHades]

Well, I didn't really want to have any names in the ss just in case it would be considered harassment or something. I originally just had the full post lol

Everyone here recognizes that particular style of writing

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Everyone here recognizes that particular style of writing

ahhhh... I see.

 

[Nierre]

this looks okay to me

 

[Damage3245]

this looks okay to me

Thanks for evaluating.

 

[Bananossauro]

Though I'm doubtful about that scaling.

I see. If that is the value for "1 string", since the force would be divided between the ones that stopped it, that should still work. Not the thread for this tho.

 

[Stefano4444]

Through scaling to Luffy who scales via this currently:

Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Considerably stronger than his younger self, who could pull a massive golden ball with this much force), Class P with Gear 4th: Boundman (Broke Doflamingo's threads with brute strength, which are capable of holding back the force of a meteor brought down by Fujitora.)

To be honest the Birdcage didn't actually stop meteor's falls, it likely absorb most of the energy but it didn't fully stop the momentum either.

Beside that calc its kinda outdated and wrong as it didn't take into account the new size of Dressrosa or the range of Issho, as well the fact that there were multiple meteors falling down and not just one.

I actually remaded that calc with various ends, it has yet to be evaluated so it can't be conferm if its the math its correct or not.

 

[Damage3245]

To be honest the Birdcage didn't actually stop meteor's falling, they likely absorb most of the energy but it didn't fully stop the momentum either.

I agree. A proper Lifting Strength overhaul will likely be needed in the future.

 

[Rocker1189]

It's really funny to me that people are making it seem like Damage is specifically against OP when he has been a pain in my and others backside for however long when I was more active.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's really funny to me that people are making it seem like Damage is specifically against OP when he has been a pain in my and others backside for however long when I was more active.

Agreed Damage was a pain (Pun intended) when he had his head towards Naruto now it's your turn.

 

[Floxy178]

forgot to add my boi floxy

Hey, I tried to upgrade Bajrang Gun to 5C! (funny enough, IIRC Damage was only one who didn't disagree with it lol)

 

[KingTempest]

Yappers, callate