Type-Moon: the Timelines were a lie. (not Tier 2)

[Wankbreaker]

Only reason I’m putting this out there is that this needs no extra editing work, as no character scales to the multiverse at this moment. So no direct changes.



We must all blame @SweetDao for indirectly reminding me that Type-Moon runs on discrete time. Thank him for his service.



So anyway, here is the evidence.

一秒。一分。一時間。一日。一月。一年。

その時間に発生した熱量を、過去に戻りながら回収する。



A second. A minute. An hour. A day. A month. A year.

Recover the heat generated during that time retroactively.

Goetia burns the timeline/human history at set intervals, rather than continuously.

There seems to be seperate compilations for each of these intervals, rather just for the singular second intervals of time, for reasons ill get into later.

However,all of human history in this period is burned nonetheless.

紀元前1000年から西暦2016年までの人類史の全てを

魔力に変換できれば、それは星の始まりに跳ぶ魔力量になる。



If we could convert the entirety of human history

from 1000 BCE to 2016 CE into magical energy,

it would amount to enough magic to leap to the origin of this planet.

The energy gained from this is also finite,which lines up with this.

アンロック条件：「そして、霧の彼方にて」をクリアすると開放

『誕生の時きたれり、其は全てを修めるもの』

アルス・アルマデル・サロモニス。

ソロモン王の第三宝具。原罪のⅠ。

一見すると地球を囲む光の輪だが、その実態は幾億もの光の線の集合体である。

線の一本一本がＡランク宝具であるエクスカリバーに匹敵する極大ダメージを持つ。

残念ながら、この宝具の熱量を上回るものは地球上には存在しない。



『The Time of Birth Hath Come, He Who Masters All』

Ars Almadel Salomonis.

Solomon's Third Noble Phantasm. I of the Original Sin.

At first glance, it appears as a ring of light encircling Earth,

but its true form is a cluster of hundreds of millions of luminous strands.

Each individual strand possesses the power to deal damage

equivalent to an A-rank Noble Phantasm, like Excalibur.

Regrettably, nothing on Earth exceeds this Noble Phantasm's thermal energy output.

Aoko Aozaki takes an entire 5 minutes of time to fuel herself with her magic, yet is outdone several times over by Touko’s rune amplified 10 million times, further proving finite/discrete time.

The three crystal membranes magnify the engraved Runes by ten million times.



Even if Aoko's output far surpasses Touko's,

this monolith exceeds it several times over.





三枚の水晶膜は刻まれたルーンを一千万規模に膨張させる。



青子の出力が橙子を遥かに上回るものだとしても、この巨石はさらに数倍。

Quantum timelocks are also done at set intervals, rather than continuously.

霊子記録固定帯。

一定の間隔で事象の平均値を固定化するタイミングの事。

この宇宙は無数の可能性を許容し、多くの並行世界、違う展開の歴史を生み出している。

しかしそれを際限なく行うと宇宙の寿命が尽きてしまう為、一定のタイミングで「もっとも強く、安定性を持ったルート」から外れた特例の世界ルートを伐採し、エネルギーの無駄な消費を防いできた。

本来なら不安定な我々の認識宇宙を現在・過去・未来にわたり安定させているのはこの「伐採」と「記録帯」によるものとムーンセルは結論づけている。

放っておけば無限に枝分かれしていく時間という大樹から不要な枝を伐採し、つねに「幹」だけにしていく行為ーーーというのが一番分かりやすいイメージ。

固定帯となった歴史は過去・未来からの干渉をうけても不動のものとなるため、固定帯にある事象は何があっても変動しない。

仮に、「固定帯」より過去に移動して歴史を変動させようと、その「固定帯」に到達すれば歴史は強引に復元される。

霊子記録固定帯がある宇宙において、固定帯として登録された「結果」は決して変わらない。時間移動者に変革できるのはその「過程」だけとなる。



Spiritron Recording Fixed Band.

It refers to the timing mechanism that fixes the average value of phenomena at fixed intervals.

This universe permits countless possibilities, spawning parallel worlds and divergent histories.

However, allowing unchecked divergence would exhaust the cosmos' lifespan. Thus, at predetermined intervals, exceptional worldlines deviating from the "strongest, most stable route" are pruned to prevent wasteful energy consumption.

The Moon Cell has concluded that this "pruning" and the "recording bands" are what stabilize our inherently unstable cognitive universe across past, present, and future.

The simplest analogy: an act of cutting unnecessary branches from the endlessly forking tree of time, perpetually preserving only the "trunk."

Histories solidified as Fixed Bands become immutable—unshaken by interference from past or future. Events within a Fixed Band remain unaltered regardless of circumstance.

Even if one travels before a Fixed Band to alter history, reality will be forcibly restored upon reaching that Fixed Band.

In a universe governed by Spiritron Recording Fixed Bands, "outcomes" registered as Fixed Bands are absolute. Time travelers can only reshape the "process" leading to them.

Now, here are some weird parts about how time works in the nasuverse.



Remember when Rin gives the info dump about how higher dimensional beings see the three dimensional world as a book? Time is inside of this “book”,implying it has a 3 dimensional nature.











Parallel worlds are sustained by the solar system, meaning the collective scale of these are limited by the solar system.

It's a very rough estimation, but should the Earth persist at its present level of civilization for another century, it's likely that the Solar System will collapse.



However, the reality is that we live and multiply. The Solar System hasn't yet dissolved before the sheer volume of data that we produce, and it's likely that the status quo can be sustained for another hundred million years.

So, what does this mean, basically? The parallel worlds in Nasu operate off of finite space and finite time, meaning that they aren’t tier 2. No changes need to be made to the profiles.



Agree:



Neutral:



Disagree:

 

[Robo432343]

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I'm not falling for this ragebait

 

[Wankbreaker]

I'm not falling for this ragebait

verse full of piece beato victims

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Sweetdao is a true sinner. (thank you for the input that leads to this downgrade)

 

[Tipoima]

A second. A minute. An hour. A day. A month. A year.

This isn't evidence of anything.

Aoko Aozaki takes an entire 5 minutes of time to fuel herself with her magic, yet is outdone several times over by Touko’s rune amplified 10 million times, further proving finite/discrete time.

And this is a complete non-sequitor.

Quantum timelocks are also done at set intervals, rather than continuously.

This can't be evidence of discrete time because you could just perform timelocks at whatever is the smallest unit of time is. Doing them at set intervals makes much more sense if you suppose that there's some overhead cost to performing them, or if you realize that the entire plot of Extella relies on that so they couldn't have been written differently.

Remember when Rin gives the info dump about how higher dimensional beings see the three dimensional world as a book? Time is inside of this “book”,implying it has a 3 dimensional nature.

I again don't see how you got there. And wouldn't that instead imply a 3+3D spacetime as a baseline?


tl;dr: you took tiering that everyone already agreed upon and gave arguments so bad it will probably make people question the previous CRT.

 

[MeiouHades]

Oh my god.....

 

[Wankbreaker]

This isn't evidence of anything.

This isn’t a response.

Also, read the rest of the paragraph,or the sentence, even.

And this is a complete non-sequitor.

Entire units of time are taken and used as fuel. Definitely related.

This can't be evidence of discrete time because you could just perform timelocks at whatever is the smallest unit of time is. Doing them at set intervals makes much more sense if you suppose that there's some overhead cost to performing them, or if you realize that the entire plot of Extella relies on that so they couldn't have been written differently.

There are different scales of timelocks, which vary heavily in interval time. We’re given timelocks that are months apart, or a century apart. Timelocks also operate on the “tree called time”. You admitted that there’s a finite amount of energy to be diverted towards this process, which wouldn’t make sense unless time was discrete, anyway. Continuous time is uncountably infinite.

I again don't see how you got there. And wouldn't that instead imply a 3+3D spacetime as a baseline?

That would be six dimensional,either way. Rin doesn’t say that there are three dimensions of time, but that time exists within the 3 dimensional scroll.

tl;dr: you took tiering that everyone already agreed upon and gave arguments so bad it will probably make people question the previous CRT.

You barely tackled anything here?

 

[Tipoima]

Your entire argument lies on the premise that "if time is continuous then you can get infinite energy from it" which makes no sense as I'm concerned. Spacetime is continuous IRL (assuming general relativity is correct, obviously) and vacuum energy is very much finite. This is just Achilles's paradox but for time.

Goetia only supports discrete time if you already assume that continuous time would provide infinite energy, that's just circular (likely the same for Aoko, except you don't even bring the relevant quote for her). And as far as I remember, Goetia isn't even burning some general concept of "time". Even the quote you brought talks about collecting heat from that timeframe.

And I still can't get over how "Goetia says different units of time, therefore time is discrete" was supposed to be evidence.

 

[Tipoima]

That would be six dimensional,either way. Rin doesn’t say that there are three dimensions of time, but that time exists within the 3 dimensional scroll.

Then I don't understand what's the argument for this one.
Imgur gallery is broken, btw.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Your entire argument lies on the premise that "if time is continuous then you can get infinite energy from it" which makes no sense as I'm concerned. Spacetime is continuous IRL (assuming general relativity is correct, obviously) and vacuum energy is very much finite. This is just Achilles's paradox but for time.

Vacuum energy, also known as zero-point energy, is the inherent energy of space even in the absence of matter and radiation

so no, it is not temporal energy.

Goetia only supports discrete time if you already assume that continuous time would provide infinite energy, that's just circular (likely the same for Aoko, except you don't even bring the relevant quote for her). And as far as I remember, Goetia isn't even burning some general concept of "time". Even the quote you brought talks about collecting heat from that timeframe.

Continuous time has uncountable infinite snapshots of 3D space. The length of time does not matter. By definition, it would provide infinite energy.

Goetia is described as burning the entirety of human history itself.

Goetia also uses principles of the fifth magic, which converts time into heat energy. That’s just how it works.

And I still can't get over how "Goetia says different units of time, therefore time is discrete" was supposed to be evidence.

Please read the rest of the section.

 

[Voidnether]

Crazy

 

[Vietthai96]

Goetia burns the timeline/human history at set intervals, rather than continuously.

There seems to be seperate compilations for each of these intervals, rather just for the singular second intervals of time, for reasons ill get into later.

However,all of human history in this period is burned nonetheless.

Goetia collectively chose to burn timeline at some specific periods doesn't mean the timeline itself is discrete, this reasoning make no sense, it is like character A decide to blow up a portion of timeline mean timeline is discrete, not infinite

The energy gained from this is also finite,which lines up with this.

What?, the statement literally said the entirety of human history from from 1000 BCE to 2016 CE into magical energy. Literally, statement directly mean a scenario where they only convert a finite period of time in timeline into magical energy which is just the entirety of human history, not the entire timeline.

Literally, only entirety of human history, not the entire timeline, you are confusing the term human history with the timeline, human history only start at 1000 BCE, which is way after Earth formation as planet and the creation of layers, let alone timeline, you are literally arguing that human appear at the same time as when the timeline start, that is bullshit, unless you have evidences for that reasoning

Aoko Aozaki takes an entire 5 minutes of time to fuel herself with her magic, yet is outdone several times over by Touko’s rune amplified 10 million times, further proving finite/discrete time.

What??, character A charge power faster and stronger than B = timeline is discrete?, do you understand how bad this logic is??

Quantum timelocks are also done at set intervals, rather than continuously.

Idk why this have anything to do what timeline is discrete or not, the entire paragraph just talking about the mechanism that because cosmology just spawn timelines like hell, and that need to be checked, etc.........

Quantum timelock make events themselves fixed at some points, doesn't mean somehow the entire timeline is discrete, it just mean that in some certain events, periods, due to quantum timelock, those events remain unable to be changed

Now, here are some weird parts about how time works in the nasuverse.



Remember when Rin gives the info dump about how higher dimensional beings see the three dimensional world as a book? Time is inside of this “book”,implying it has a 3 dimensional nature.

Scan somehow broken to me but well

No, what?, Rin said higher dimension being see 3 dimensional world as book, this only said about the perspective of higher dimensional being, when one view lower dimension from higher dimensional perspective, it has nothing to do with time, let alone implied time is 3 dimensional

Also time isn't 3, 4, 5 or 5353 dimensional. Time is a direction that is completely different from spatial axes, i remember we said about this in one of your thread also about time thing. The reason space-time or timeline being 4D is because time is a continuous flow of events that multiplies 3 dimensional world snapshot within it uncountable infinitely, make it 4D, but time as a dimension/direction alone is 1 dimensional, it is because it plus 3 spartial axes make the entirety of space-time 4D, so you saying that Rin from higher dimensional perspective see 3D world as a book mean time is 3D is absolutely wrong, because

1. The statement said nothing about time
2. Your logic that time is 3D is completely unfounded

Parallel worlds are sustained by the solar system, meaning the collective scale of these are limited by the solar system.

What?, i have compared this argument with the two statements. Where it say that the reality is sustained by Solar System? All i see was if human civillization continue, Solar System will collapse, not reality as a whole, but in the next statement, everything still fine

No offense, but i have a question, do you seriously arguing exactly like what scans/statements said, or just your interpretation of what the texts say?, which i have to say, completely not aligned with what the scans/texts say

Anyway, i have to disagree with the thread, for now of course

 

[Tipoima]

so no, it is not temporal energy.

IRL Space is continuous. Uncountably infinite units of space produce finite and small amounts of IRL vacuum energy. You don't need discrete space to have IRL theories where dark energy isn't ripping the Universe apart. Surely you can see how this can be applied to time, when space and time are fundamentally linked?

Continuous time has uncountable infinite snapshots of 3D space. The length of time does not matter. By definition, it would provide infinite energy.

And having 3e23 (assuming a zeptosecond is the smallest unit of time in Nasuverse, which is being conservative) snapshots of 3D space for Aoko is somehow less absurd?
You can't take your idea of Fifth and not have it produce an absolutely ludicrously batshit amounts of power that's inconsistent with her portrayals.

 

[SuperNova55555]

What?, the statement literally said the entirety of human history from from 1000 BCE to 2016 CE into magical energy. Literally, statement directly mean a scenario where they only convert a finite period of time in timeline into magical energy which is just the entirety of human history, not the entire timeline.

I don’t have a stance on this CRT but I do want to mention that in indiscrete time, even the difference between seconds is uncountably infinite. (Which doesn’t necessarily discredit your point btw, since even two geometric objects have “different sizes” even though they are composed of the same cardinality of elements)

 

[Junkoposter]

Yeah, going off whats been said by multiple a folk here, I’m just gonna have to go with a disagree.

I ain’t buyin’ whats being sold here.

 

[Robo432343]

snip

remember when OP said time is 4-D therefore the verse should be capped at 4-D that was one of the arguments

 

[Wankbreaker]

Goetia collectively chose to burn timeline at some specific periods doesn't mean the timeline itself is discrete, this reasoning make no sense, it is like character A decide to blow up a portion of timeline mean timeline is discrete, not infinite

Those specific points of time would be the only thing burned, it wouldn’t affect the entirety of human history like stated. The rest of this period would be left intact.

What?, the statement literally said the entirety of human history from from 1000 BCE to 2016 CE into magical energy. Literally, statement directly mean a scenario where they only convert a finite period of time in timeline into magical energy which is just the entirety of human history, not the entire timeline.

There is no “finite” measurement of time in a continuous model. Especially when the entirety of this period was burned away. It would still result in

Literally, only entirety of human history, not the entire timeline, you are confusing the term human history with the timeline, human history only start at 1000 BCE, which is way after Earth formation as planet and the creation of layers, let alone timeline, you are literally arguing that human appear at the same time as when the timeline start, that is bullshit, unless you have evidences for that reasoning



What??, character A charge power faster and stronger than B = timeline is discrete?, do you understand how bad this logic is??

I would respond to this, but I got ninjad. Any non infinitesimal period of time would be uncountably infinite in a continuous model.

Idk why this have anything to do what timeline is discrete or not, the entire paragraph just talking about the mechanism that because cosmology just spawn timelines like hell, and that need to be checked, etc.........

Quantum timelock make events themselves fixed at some points, doesn't mean somehow the entire timeline is discrete, it just mean that in some certain events, periods, due to quantum timelock, those events remain unable to be changed

If there was continuous time, there would be an uncountably infinite amount of fluctuating states that would need to be supported and audited.. We know that this cannot happen.

Scan somehow broken to me but well

No, what?, Rin said higher dimension being see 3 dimensional world as book, this only said about the perspective of higher dimensional being, when one view lower dimension from higher dimensional perspective, it has nothing to do with time, let alone implied time is 3 dimensional

If the 3 dimensional world is represented as a book, and time itself is entirely in this book, it means that it has a 3 dimensional nature.

P: The 3 dimensional world is represented as a book.
Q: Time itself is entirely in this book.
R: Time has a 3 dimensional nature.

(P ^ Q) → R

If both P and Q are true, then R has to be as well.

Off topic, but 3-dimensional time is something gaining traction in real scientific circles right now.

Also time isn't 3, 4, 5 or 5353 dimensional. Time is a direction that is completely different from spatial axes, i remember we said about this in one of your thread also about time thing. The reason space-time or timeline being 4D is because time is a continuous flow of events that multiplies 3 dimensional world snapshot within it uncountable infinitely, make it 4D, but time as a dimension/direction alone is 1 dimensional, it is because it plus 3 spartial axes make the entirety of space-time 4D, so you saying that Rin from higher dimensional perspective see 3D world as a book mean time is 3D is absolutely wrong, because

1. The statement said nothing about time
2. Your logic that time is 3D is completely unfounded



What?, i have compared this argument with the two statements. Where it say that the reality is sustained by Solar System? All i see was if human civillization continue, Solar System will collapse, not reality as a whole, but in the next statement, everything still fine

This statement is just clarification on the scale of the “universe” mentioned here.

Because the universe itself would expire if these realities were to expand without limit, it conserves energy by, excising worlds, at specific intervals, that have veered too far from the strongest, most stable timelines.

No offense, but i have a question, do you seriously arguing exactly like what scans/statements said, or just your interpretation of what the texts say?, which i have to say, completely not aligned with what the scans/texts say

Anyway, i have to disagree with the thread, for now of course

 

[Wankbreaker]

IRL Space is continuous. Uncountably infinite units of space produce finite and small amounts of IRL vacuum energy. You don't need discrete space to have IRL theories where dark energy isn't ripping the Universe apart. Surely you can see how this can be applied to time, when space and time are fundamentally linked?

You’d essentially be admitting that infinity physically exists in the nasuverse,something I’ve went through lengths to explain why that isn’t the case.

Space is continuous if and only if it is infinite. You cannot have an infinite continuous space. We don’t even know if our own universe IRL is infinite.

continuous space is a space where elements can be infinitely subdivided, meaning there are no gaps or smallest units.

We know from the Tsukihime remake that Arcueid’s celestial egg compresses itself to Planck length, which presupposes the existence of a “smallest possible unit”

And having 3e23 (assuming a zeptosecond is the smallest unit of time in Nasuverse, which is being conservative) snapshots of 3D space for Aoko is somehow less absurd?
You can't take your idea of Fifth and not have it produce an absolutely ludicrously batshit amounts of power that's inconsistent with her portrayals.

That’s simple, you could just infer that the smallest unit of time possible is bigger.

Very different from something that is supposed to be infinite producing finite results.

 

[Tipoima]

If the 3 dimensional world is represented as a book, and time itself is entirely in this book, it means that it has a 3 dimensional nature.

P: The 3 dimensional world is represented as a book.
Q: Time itself is entirely in this book.
R: Time has a 3 dimensional nature.

(P ^ Q) → R

If both P and Q are true, then R has to be as well.

The big issue is: wtf does "time itself is entirely in the 3 dimensional world" mean? Time isn't "inside" space and I struggle to think of how that would even work.
Second issue is that "R" doesn't even follow from this. You can put a 1-D object inside a 3-D object.
And finally - back when I brought it up the first time, you said "Rin doesn’t say that there are three dimensions of time, but that time exists within the 3 dimensional scroll", so how many dimensions of time you think there are? Three, one, zero?? What are the implications of this for everything else?

Off topic, but 3-dimensional time is something gaining traction in real scientific circles right now.

I knew this got to be influenced by that paper. It didn't pass peer review yet though.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don’t have a stance on this CRT but I do want to mention that in indiscrete time, even the difference between seconds is uncountably infinite. (Which doesn’t necessarily discredit your point btw, since even two geometric objects have “different sizes” even though they are composed of the same cardinality of elements)

Yes, but that is math, do fictional verse need to be that accurate on math??. Me? I don't think so

 

[Tipoima]

That’s simple, you could just infer that the smallest unit of time possible is bigger.

Very different from something that is supposed to be infinite producing finite results.

How big? Picosecond? Nanosecond? That's still billions of snapshots of space and we already break physics so much that it's questionable if Nasuverse could have modern technology and physics with units of time this large.

 

[Junkoposter]

Those specific points of time would be the only thing burned, it wouldn’t affect the entirety of human history like stated. The rest of this period would be left intact.

I may not be reading this right, but like, I’m pretty sure this just goes against the entire plot of FGO Part 1.

Goetia pretty explicitly burned history and used it as G-Fuel for his wacky wahoo scheme, he didn’t just take a few eras and toast them and nothing else. Time from A to B reduced to ragoo.

If only specific points and nothing else were torched the good folks at Chaldea could just rayshift to whenever and wherever without consequence instead of just being limited to going to Singularities (which aren’t nuked due to grail holding them up and screwing with history for Goetia’s plan).

 

[Wankbreaker]

Yes, but that is math, do fictional verse need to be that accurate on math??. Me? I don't think so

If they’re not accurate to this principle, they wouldn’t even be valid for tier 2 in the first place.

 

[Robo432343]

If the 3 dimensional world is represented as a book, and time itself is entirely in this book, it means that it has a 3 dimensional nature.

but last time you said the timeline system is 4-D?
also address this scan in the OP

 

[Wankbreaker]

I may not be reading this right, but like, I’m pretty sure this just goes against the entire plot of FGO Part 1.

That’s the point. We know he specifically burned history at particular intervals ( he says as much himself), yet the entirety of history was gone. This would just not happen in a continuous model.

Goetia pretty explicitly burned history and used it as G-Fuel for his wacky wahoo scheme, he didn’t just take a few eras and toast them and nothing else. Time from A to B reduced to ragoo. If only specific points and nothing else were torched the good folks at Chaldea could just rayshift to whenever and wherever without consequence instead of just being limited to going to Singularities (which aren’t nuked due to grail holding them up and screwing with history for Goetia’s plan).

 

[Tipoima]

That’s the point. We know he specifically burned history at particular intervals ( he says as much himself), yet the entirety of history was gone. This would just not happen in a continuous model.

Continuous model would still have causality. Burning a point in time would still bring down everything in the future.

 

[Junkoposter]

That’s the point. We know he specifically burned history at particular intervals, yet the entirety of history was gone. This would just not happen in a continuous model.

I dunno what to tell ya broski, he explicitly turned history from 1000 BCE to 2016 CE into kaput. And he was gonna used the energy from all that to pull an ultimate bitza dusto on reality.

That was his scheme and his plan. Torched everything from A to B for fuel, and put some grails in some important places to seal the deal. Cause even with those Singularities resolved and time fixed there, his plan was still perfectly fine due to the nuking.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Continuous model would still have causality. Burning a point in time would still bring down everything in the future.

you would think so, wouldn’t ya


「その時はその時で、今度は負債を過去に送ってやるわよ！それなら文句ないんでしょう！？
歪みに潰されるのは過去だけなんだから！」
「それで解決した
つもりか！？
現在が確定している以上、過去を消滅させてもいいと！？
それでいいのは私たちだけだ！問題の総量、宇宙の負債はどうする！？」

"Fine then! When that time comes, I'll shunt the debt into the past! Surely you can't object to that!?
Only the past gets crushed by the distortions anyway!"

"Oh, you think that solves anything!?
Just because the Present is fixed, you'd erase the past without consequence!?
That only serves our convenience! What about the total entropy—the cosmic debt!?"

 

[Wankbreaker]

I dunno what to tell ya broski, he explicitly turned history from 1000 BCE to 2016 CE into kaput. And he was gonna used the energy from all that to pull an ultimate bitza dusto on reality.

That was his scheme and his plan. Torched everything from A to B for fuel, and put some grails in some important places to seal the deal. Cause even with those Singularities resolved and time fixed there, his plan was still perfectly fine due to the nuking.

I’m not denying that it happened. I’m just saying that it logically doesn’t make sense in a continuous model.

 

[Tipoima]

"Oh, you think that solves anything!?

 

[Wankbreaker]

That only serves our convenience! What about the total entropy—the cosmic debt!?"

Touko doesn’t deny it would work.

 

[Junkoposter]

I’m not denying that it happened. I’m just saying that it logically doesn’t make sense in a continuous model.

Seems pretty simple to me. Time is time, despite the model. He nuked from A to B cause he needed the energy from that to go to the start of creation and have his giggles making reality as he sees fit.

I ain’t seeing the “broken logic” you be trying to shove down. Screw with the past, gonna affect the future, bada-bing bada-boom.

 

[Tipoima]

Wank. Please. Everyone already agreed with nuking Tier 2. Stop digging your own grave.

Just because you can subdivide something infinitely doesn't mean it produces any kind of infinite output or anything of the sort. Continuous time is fine and discrete time only invites more problems, because the moment you even entertain the idea of "using up entire snapshots of space" you lose the argument. There is no "smallest unit of time" you can chose that would make basic physics still function and not produce astronomical results for any case of time being burned/consumed/e.t.c.

 

[Junkoposter]

Everyone already agreed with nuking Tier 2.

Not everyone cough

But yeah, regardless of that, this just seems kinda silly.

 

[ScrollerGNL]

P: The 3 dimensional world is represented as a book.
Q: Time itself is entirely in this book.
R: Time has a 3 dimensional nature.

(P ^ Q) → R

If both P and Q are true, then R has to be as well.

i actually laughed.

 

[ShinMaximillion]

I'm not falling for this ragebait

Would you fall for it if I told you this wasn't ragebait?

If the 3 dimensional world is represented as a book, and time itself is entirely in this book, it means that it has a 3 dimensional nature.

P: The 3 dimensional world is represented as a book.
Q: Time itself is entirely in this book.
R: Time has a 3 dimensional nature.

(P ^ Q) → R

If both P and Q are true, then R has to be as well.

Wasn't planning on commenting but holy peak.

Wank. Please. Everyone already agreed with nuking Tier 2. Stop digging your own grave.

"""""Everyone""""" indeed. For now.

 

[Iiliminal]

disagree now lets scale nasuverse atoms to tier 0

 

[Huesito88]

disagree now lets scale nasuverse atoms to tier 0

Tier 0-D atoms =P

 

[Wankbreaker]

Wank. Please. Everyone already agreed with nuking Tier 2. Stop digging your own grave.

Just because you can subdivide something infinitely doesn't mean it produces any kind of infinite output or anything of the sort.

unless each snapshot has literally infinitesimal amounts of energy, it would.

Continuous time is fine and discrete time only invites more problems, because the moment you even entertain the idea of "using up entire snapshots of space" you lose the argument.

The whole entire quantum timelock falls flat if there’s continuous time. There would be uncountably infinite amounts of fluctuations.

There is no "smallest unit of time" you can chose that would make basic physics still function and not produce astronomical results for any case of time being burned/consumed/e.t.c.

Astronomical results aren’t being produced, that’s the thing. In a discrete time model, smaller units of time than the interval still exist, they just aren’t “defined” points of time. (So, it doesn’t break physics or anything of the sort.)

Basically, to someone inside the time axis, time will appear to flow as normal. To someone observing outside? It’ll appear to cut between intervals.