So he's still 1-A? Like that's how R>F still works in fiction, they don't need to be the author in our same world to be 1-A, they only need to transcends the baseline by 1 R>F layer (unless said world is like a game or a completely fictional story in the setting itself, which nothing indicates so).
What do you mean by that? An author can struggle in his real world but he's still an author, or being qualitatively superior than the whole verse, it doesn't change anything at the slightest, you don't need to be all-powerful to have a r>f transcendence.
Which exists right in the cosmology page itself.
That's just fourth wall awarness
This can be supporting evidence for 1-A
If anything this is an anti-feat of they're questioning if a universal invasion succeeded or not
Doesn't mean anything
This is 4th Wall Awarness again, but nlt transcendence
Doesn't mean anything.
Yes.
No it's not really, it's similar to a developer asking the player if they're having a fun time in the game, as you mentioned, 4th wall awareness. You can't just say "oh this multiversal god doesn't act like he's all-knowing so he is not a multiversal god!". Plus the character desc are written before the player beat him (because it'll be shown after you MET the enemy, not defeating them, and the invasion of the universe means that you defeat him, but because of the limitation of the game itself, he can't just say that you've defeated him or if you didn't defeat him, so what he said makes complete sense), EN version proves this the best, he knows but doesn't mean he gotta always act like he knows all, he's interacting with the player after all, not the cats.
They don't mean anything by themselves, I am aware of that, they're just supporting evidence of cat god being the writer of the character desc themselves (which mind you, is the source of the plot for the game, thus plot manip, because it's the character desc, you can't just break the 4th wall easily without any plot-manip tier power), thus supporting the real world scan.
-Cat God being the writer of the plot (sometimes he don't like how he just doesn't write Valkyrie to love him despite him simping over her, doesn't mean he can't, it just mean that he won't break the funny plot just because he can)
Could you remind me of the reasoning?
Simple, the universe in infinite in size and Gravi traversed it. And as I already explained, not traveling, not traverse, not traversing, but traversed. And of course I also said that the "I don't have to walk to the top of the mountain to have traversed it" is also unsuable too since the actual Universe is a space, it doesn't vary in shape like a mountain.
First time I've heard about this one, but aight, that makes more sense.
"Omnipotence" here is only for inside his own setting (which obviously makes sense), we have seen his limitations:
Alright, I'll start making his profile right now.
So I guess I'll make it all into power bestowal and leave it at that for now huh?
Well not really, the definition of the word is like "you've crossed through the whole thing", that's the dictionary definition for it.
You can for 1-A, as the requirements are very strict for the tier and having counter evidence is enough to dismiss an upgrade for the rating. A big one is interaction.
If you can fight him in-game and defeat him, that would be an automatic disqualification for 1-A.
I just view this as a complete anti-feat. If he can't do something when he can, that's evidence against being 1-A.
It's 100% of a fourth wall gag. I don't see any of this are valid R>F scaling.
It doesn't. Him being above them in some capacity, sure, but I don't see 1-A.
Not really, not when it's in character, or limited by the game itself. Cat God mentioned that he struggled in real world, or "life in the real world can be tough..." meaning in the real world he isn't some god-like entity, but just another person, meaning that he can't just do anything to the game if he wants to outside of the game's capability. Furthermore, that scan alone proves nothing to act as an anti-feat for him, he wasn't bound down by something from a lower-reality, but on his same reality.
It's not really, the cat god that you can defeat is his avatar, nothing really says that it's his true form, I already mentioned this and Cat God has never really "died" or "lost", he's just a challenge for the player.
I already said that it's not that he can't, but he won't. "Cat god simps Valkyrie" is a gag joke that the game has, and Cat God has no reason to manipulate everything to his will when the whole purpose of that gag being there is because it's funny, so he wouldn't just do some boring almighty god stuff just because he can. And of course all of these are about his avatar, it has nothing to do with the "real life" he's talking about here obviously...
Cat God's whole character is about 4th wall gag, well until you realized that he is a god and he's been showing to be able to do this frequently enough that the gag became his power, plus he lives in the real world so this 4th wall gag became less of a gag and more of a feat for him.
Well, that's about it for your input on this one and sure, I've decided not to put him at 1-A for now and only possibly 1-A, is that fine with you? If it is then could you say whether you agree or not so I can add it into the CRT?
Do we have a time-frame for any of this?
Nope, but we can kinda guess when they're born based on their general lore:
Wouldn't reaching the end of the universe since the beginning just be, like, light speed?
Wait what? Who are you referring to? If it's gravi then obviously not? Because even if we assume that he's been there since the start of it all, the expansion speed of the universe would make traversing it need FTL speed.
From a purely distance over time perspective, you are correct. You'd need about 4x the speed of light to reach the edge of the observable universe in 13.8ish billion years.
Alright. It's probably fine then.
Aight, could you also look at Zeus and Gaia's current PnA? See if it's reasonable enough yet. And especially Cat God, like think I added an irrelevant feat for his possibly 1-A rating so I hope you could give more opinion on that.
1-A doesn't (or at least shouldn't) require omniscience.
Game mechanics, plus he's clearly not properly defeated since he's fine to continue to do stuff henceforth. You can also deploy him against himself I think?
This one is valid, but it might just be a character thing and/or an unwillingness to force someone's love.
Just vaguely above is definitely the solid rating, but I'm still fine with "Possibly 1-A".
Could you link to it directly, please?
They're right next to each other in The Almighties profiles blog
Most of it seems generally fine.
So... What do I give him in his higher dimensional existence then? Cat God is too weird, and in the context of TBC, transcending space and time should put them at BDE (If the whole thing about Zero World is legit), but because obviously it's nothing concrete, but cat god wouldn't sit right without higher dimensional existence, what should I do for him then?
BDE Type 1 covers it.
I added everything in. Could you check again and confirm if everything is alright? Especially Cosmo's profile cause he kinda gained High 3-A through surviving singularity and such. If yes then could I add your vote for the profiles as agree?
You only need two votes.
Is that so? Alright then I'll fix it.
Alright then, I guess I can work with that.
Reading over it, both the Explanation and Cosmology blog:
This line needs to be removed. The original language, barring some exceptions, is the "canon" version of events. It's not the best feat that is taken, it's the statement as originally written. If the Japanese translation of God of War makes Kratos High 1-A for example, we wouldn't use it compared to the original English version.
The former isn't enough for infinite. Endless on its own is just a poetic term to mean very large. The universe physically is just 3-A, but the Low 2-C rating is fine if they can affect the entire universe at once.
Being 4th Dimensional on its own isn't enough for a High 3-A or Low 2-C rating per the FAQ
Unless they affect the entire structure, or demonstrate default superiority over a 3D+1 space they would not auto-scale to such a high rating.Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely stronger than lower-dimensional equivalents?
Unintuitive as that may be: Not necessarily, as a number of characteristics through which we quantify the strength or power of a character can remain unchanged when transitioning between higher and lower dimensions. For example: Mass is a quantity that is detached from the dimension of the object which it is inherent to, and unlike volume is not divided in units corresponding to each particular dimension (1-volume [length], 2-volume [area], 3-volume, 4-volume...). It is singular in nature and its units equally apply to all dimensions; whether it is distributed over an area or a volume only tells us about the span of space in which it is spread, not about the quantity itself.
As a consequence of that, much of the calculation methods which are used to measure strength apply equally to both higher and lower dimensions, as they do not care about the extra variables and often work with a single one of them. Examples of this are kinetic energy (KE=12mv2in classical mechanics or KE=(11−v2c2−1)mc2
where c=299,792,458m/s
in relativistic mechanics), force (F=MA)
, work (W=Fd)
, and etc.
An intuitive example of that is found in the general definition of Work as defined in physics: In essence, as work itself denotes the energy applied to an object as it is displaced along a given path, the basic formula for calculating it only takes into account a single variable, and the path itself is treated as an one-dimensional object, regardless of the dimension of the space in which the action itself takes place.
Hence, a higher-dimensional entity can be both stronger or weaker than a lower-dimensional one, and thus, they are usually quantified based on their own feats, instead of dimensionality alone. If a character is merely stated to be higher-dimensional and simultaneously has no other feats to derive anything noteworthy from, then they are put at Unknown, and the same applies to lower dimensions as well.
Do note, however, that them not qualifying for Tier 2 and above doesn't mean they are "fake" higher-dimensional beings or anything of the sort. It is simply that being higher-dimensional does not inherently mean they have infinite power in the first place, as explained above.
Assuming there's no weirdness with time, the universe being 4D+1 seems fine I guess. But all the previous points still apply.
With the 4D stuff, I could see the reasoning behind it, since it's an actual tesseract with statements supporting it. This isn't enough for me to say that it's a 5D shape rather than a rainbow object.
This auto-directs to a non-dictionary website.
A Chat program is not considered a valid translation source afaik
Controlling time doesn't make you Acasual
Being outside of dimensions doesn't make it inherently superior to my knowledge.
This settled cat god's rating then.
In TBC lore are scarce, so unless it's due to translation error (for example, elemental pixies came from the edge of the universe and the star/planet they descend upon will be granted the origin of their element, but the EN translation for Lumina mistook it as "the end of the universe" on a "dying star" instead which can also be seen in their translation for the JP scan, the rest are fine however), I'll take feats that doesn't directly collide with eachother (or basically, not contradicting each other). For example, Ultima Galaxy Cosmos (which profile you could see here) has his EN version being "he reached the edge of the universe and seen the truth" while Japanese is "he finally reached the end of the Galaxy", these 2 however doesn't directly debunk the other because there isn't a timeframe nor anything to say that he stopped at only reaching the end of the Galaxy, it just that the egde of the universe feat wasn't mentioned in the JP ver. This obviously would not be a translation error either because "銀河" and "宇宙" are 2 completely different words, and his name is literally "Galaxy cosmo", there simply isn't a fumble here.
Guess I'll fix that one.
So they only gain "higher dimensional existence" and that's all?
It's more of a symbolistic design than anything. I could remove that if it doesn't do anything, the 5-D rating stems from Babel after all, this is just a supporting section for the 6-D rating tbh.
The original one is the same, look inside her page here, it's just that the wiki translation said "surpasses" while "超越" is supposed to be the most literal way to describe transcendence over something, so I had to do it myself, but I could include also the wiki one too.
But she transcends all causality (at least her clock do, of which I mentioned in her profile). This should at least give her Acausality type 4
Your suggestion on this? I'm not too familiar with acausality. All I know is that the cats are in a chaotic realm with extremely chaotic temporal phenomena happening every chapter.
Well, Zero legend only scales to the high ranking sages, it's a higher dimensional realm, not outside them.
noted.
That's not how the wiki works with canon
The canon of the work is the original language. If a translation gets something wrong, the translation cannot/should not be used. Barring some exceptions, there's no competing translations. If the Japanese version said they went to the edge of a galaxy, then they went to the edge of the galaxy full stop.
If they don't impact a cosmology of that size, then yes it's just HDE. Being XD isn't a feat for things below 1-A.
Alright. I'll wait to see the new version.
I don't see a description in that page that matches the screenshot you used.
The thing is that, to my knowledge, an MTL translation has to be approved of for use. You can't just use an LLM by itself to get something upgraded.
You're saying it should be translated as transcendence, but just searching the kanji being used seems like it can have multiple uses. To post some examples:
Like, contextually speaking, is the usage of "超絶" supposed to be "superior to" or "transcendent over". Like her "reigning" over time is a valid looks, to be a valid reading, but if that's contradicted, it's fine for that lady to be Acasual.
It's what the page says
What things would they be resistant or immune to if you gave them Acausal Type 4. You can't just list it, you have to give an example of it. To use an example, the Princess has the following:
So she's immune to action-reaction type effects. What would the cats get?
This doesn't link anywhere.
Energy follows the same thing. Unless the energy is the entire energy of a universe/multiverse, can affect that structure or something along those lines it's just HDE energy which doesn't grant an AP rating on its own afaik.
"The primary canon is the source material first released (with few possible exceptions), with the other author works being secondary canon.
Alright
Done, you can see it now.
https://imgbox.com/6qCWnXxv (surpass here is transcending, same Kanji different way of translating it)
Guess I'll have to get them approved then (some of them), do you know how I could get one approved?
Well, chronos can freely manipulate cause and effect so that's that (which can be found in her profile).
Limited resistance to conventional cause and effect as well and time manip (well, I updated it here and here, take a look at it)
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Alright then.
That's the contradiction. If the primary source material states they only went to the edge of the galaxy, that is the primary version and the correct event. As an example, we had a recent case where characters were downgraded from 1-B to 2-C because the translation used for "higher dimension" was done incorrectly, so the method of telling the story was wrong. If the Japanese version limits them to going to a galaxy, then the limit for that scene is them going to a galaxy.
It's the same event, the cats travelling, but the event is shown differently between the translations. If the translations contradict, the original material will take precedence.
The issue here is, again, that the English translation is going off the same Japanese text. The translation contradicts the statement given in the Japanese text. If those contradictions exist, we go with the original language. We don't accept both as being right.
I found the issue on my end, I wasn't aware that you needed to click on the cell that said "Switch EN/JP" and was looking at a different section.
I think it's just posting it here and getting it verified
Yeah that works for me.
I think it looks pretty good. I had to do some double-takes on the powers, but I realized they're just going to your blog page when that also goes up.Acertainbcplayer/sandbox
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Yes, and that's the feat I took for his best traveling feat. If I must, I'll include his the end of galaxy statement as the baseline, because of this:
Sometimes the "translation" is not really "translating" at all, they might write extra stuff more than just translating (like look at Gravi's page where they stated that he traversed the universe and gather cosmic power and whatnot in EN instead of whatever the JP ver wrote for example), so unless a potential error in translating Kanji is present (like Lumina's EN), I don't think it will contradict anything, of course it depends hugely on the context like the Cosmo one, sure.
Ah, I also forgot to tell you that, mb.
Gonna work on it.
Alright
Welp, that takes care of the hardest one. Thx.
