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Battle cats verse 1-C revision

Probably my last reply to this.

I disagree with any 1-A rating for my reasoning. I already mentioned all the contradictions to 1-A, the last part I only agreed with was the possibility rating via us seeing multiple Cat Gods, meaning he uses avatars. However I feel like it's a bit of a stretch, especially with the best arguments being Cat God existing in the real word and him transcending space-time, but both scans are unrelated to each other, and the latter scan talks about him finally transcending it, so I don't think we can relate the idea of him being above space-time and existing in the qualitatively-real word as together.
 
Mythic381 said:
Probably my last reply to this.

I disagree with any 1-A rating for my reasoning. I already mentioned all the contradictions to 1-A, the last part I only agreed with was the possibility rating via us seeing multiple Cat Gods, meaning he uses avatars. However I feel like it's a bit of a stretch, especially with the best arguments being Cat God existing in the real word and him transcending space-time, but both scans are unrelated to each other, and the latter scan talks about him finally transcending it, so I don't think we can relate the idea of him being above space-time and existing in the qualitatively-real word as together.
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It could also just be referring to dimensional superiority(aka god transcending to an higher spaital dimension)
 
Modified my last argument to make it clearer:

I disagree with any 1-A rating for my reasonings mentioned above. (which are actual standards in this wiki. I don't need to justify them.) I already mentioned all the contradictions to 1-A. The last part I agreed with was the possibility rating via us seeing multiple Cat Gods, meaning he supposedly uses avatars:
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Obviously I agree that he has an ability allowing him to create versions of himself, but this just keeps using "possibility" to warrant a true form existing in a qualitatively superior plane of existence.

I feel like it's a bit of a stretch, especially when the best arguments being Cat God existing in the real word and him transcending space-time:
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3U9HtCX6_o.png

However, both scans are unrelated to each other, and the latter scan talks about him finally accomplishing that transcendence, describing it as a process meaning he wasn't always transcendent over space-time, and we know you can't become Outerverse level, as per standards. So I don't think we can relate the idea of him being above space-time and existing in the qualitatively-real word as evidence supporting one other. Not to mention I recall existing in a "real world" isn't sufficient for 1-A without proof of there being an actual transcendence:
  • The Real World from Sword Art Online/The Matrix: Despite the fact that the humans in the real world view the baseline realities (Sword Art Online and The Matrix) respectively as fictional simulations/games, they do not qualify for an R>F difference as the characters are never treated as transcendent compared to the game.
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Mythic381 said:
Modified my last argument to make it clearer:

I disagree with any 1-A rating for my reasonings mentioned above. (which are actual standards in this wiki. I don't need to justify them.) I already mentioned all the contradictions to 1-A. The last part I agreed with was the possibility rating via us seeing multiple Cat Gods, meaning he supposedly uses avatars:

Obviously I agree that he has an ability allowing him to create versions of himself, but this just keeps using "possibility" to warrant a true form existing in a qualitatively superior plane of existence.

I feel like it's a bit of a stretch, especially when the best arguments being Cat God existing in the real word and him transcending space-time:
NWPVLPUM_o.png

3U9HtCX6_o.png

However, both scans are unrelated to each other, and the latter scan talks about him finally accomplishing that transcendence, describing it as a process meaning he wasn't always transcendent over space-time, and we know you can't become Outerverse level, as per standards. So I don't think we can relate the idea of him being above space-time and existing in the qualitatively-real word as evidence supporting one other. Not to mention I recall existing in a "real world" isn't sufficient for 1-A without proof of there being an actual transcendence:
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Thing is, the "transcending space and time" and "existing in the real world" was never related to each other in any of the reasonings I provided though? Him being above space time as a Kid and him being irl doesn't relate to each other at the slightest. I even made it clear that the "possible BDE Type 3" rating doesn't relate to the Type 1 rating in the slightest.

The thing that supported the "transcendence" here is the fact that Cat God not only lives in the "real world", he is actively portrayed and shown to be able to just do things irl too (like the phone booth thing), and the multitude of times of him portraying a kind of "plot" power within the world of TBC. Of course logically it isn't the REAL real life, but it still portrayed a form of r>f transcendence over TBC (which is quite different from SAO where the virtual world is an actual game-world within the universe of the setting itself).

And of course this doesn't mean Cat God just straight up get 1-A, he only ever get a "possibly 1-A" rating, this is quite clear already.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Thing is, the "transcending space and time" and "existing in the real world" was never related to each other in any of the reasonings I provided though? Him being above space time as a Kid and him being irl doesn't relate to each other at the slightest. I even made it clear that the "possible BDE Type 3" rating doesn't relate to the Type 1 rating in the slightest.
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You need both to actually work. Existing in a real world doesn't suffice for R>F unless you present proof that there's an actual transcendence, which was supported by him transcending space-time. You can see that in the mentioned example in my last message from the R>F page.
Acertainbcplayer said:
The thing that supported the "transcendence" here is the fact that Cat God not only lives in the "real world", he is actively portrayed and shown to be able to just do things irl too (like the phone booth thing), and the multitude of times of him portraying a kind of "plot" power within the world of TBC. Of course logically it isn't the REAL real life, but it still portrayed a form of r>f transcendence over TBC (which is quite different from SAO where the virtual world is an actual game-world within the universe of the setting itself).
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You do realize simply existing in the "real world" that is qualitatively transcendent over fiction alone is what makes 1-A right? Actively doing stuff in the real world literally does not add much. The reason mentioned in SAO is unrelated to your point. I'm only mentioning it to emphasize the rejection is via it lacking an indication of actual transcendence.
 
FinePoint said:
If it's a new character you don't need a CRT for it (although it'd use current scaling I guess technically).
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I see, he uses the exact same scaling and justification as the other sages. The worrying part is actually him introducing a brand new ability to the game, so I'd be a bit worried about needing to recount vote or something to the explanation page, but that's about it.

It is a rather unique ability so I can't really just throw it on the profile
 
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