Itachi Vs Sirius (Battle for 9th Non-Smurf 7-A)

[Arcker123]

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other.

Is this not problematic for the Sirius argument?

 

[Trihexa102]

itachi FRA

 

[Arcker123]

How did this explode so much, didn't everyone agree Itachi stomps?

Is this an Itachi vote? If it is, we hit grace

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Is this not problematic for the Sirius argument?

nope, this only applies before a matchup is started. As soon as the match starts her authority will be active

 

[Arcker123]

nope, this only applies before a matchup is started. As soon as the match starts her authority will be active

Why? It reads quite explicitly to be about the start of the fight

 

[DaReaperMan]

Itachi FRA, the arguments for Sirius just don't work well enough here.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why? It reads quite explicitly to be about the start of the fight

For your clarification:

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other.

This is talking about the knowledge they get about their opponents, this does not mean passives or abilities which work by observation wouldnt work. That would be stupid.

Itachi has enough perception for him to instantly sense her and get soul washed

 

[Arcker123]

This is talking about the knowledge they get about their opponents, this does not mean passives or abilities which work by observation wouldnt work. That would be stupid.

The SBA knowledge Itachi is assumed to have wouldn't allow him to get hit with this passive, hence him not losing off rip.

Itachi has enough perception for him to instantly sense her and get soul washed

Justify this claim of his sensory.
Justify why this would happen before Yasaka Beads snipe from 4KM and nuke
The argument this hax gets past Itachi's resistance is just not convincing at all but eh.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

OD does not need to be equalised with anything. Unless there is something special aside from the application which the character specifically uses it for which in this case is mind and soul manipulation then the rest point is mute. Anyone who has resistance resist it. Unless there is something conceptual about it which would mean conceptual manipulation should be on her profile then no you can't just say "Itachi resist chakra based soul and mind manipulation only" and won't resist hers. It doesn't work like that , if it did then literally no one will have resistance to any ability cross verse.

Your point of layers still stand though but I still have issues.


1. Yes her authority is passive but it doesn't mean anything she does there is also passive. I'll give an example. Eida in boruto has passive emphatic manipulation meaning even if she isn't aware no one can harm her.. but if she wants to control you to do something she has to tell you. She is not controlling the mind of someone to do something while she is sleeping and the person is near her. The person just can't attack her and is in love with her.

This is seemingly thought based as she doesnt speak what they have to do

What am I trying to say. Yes her authority passively links there emotions and yes if you attack her even if she wasn't aware the injuries are transferred but for her to the mind and soul part does she still has to actively simplify their emotions or pass emotions to the person or something like that. You're supporter which is why I am asking you to explain better.

If you are asking what she has to do to drive people to death, she can infinitely double your emotions (and yes also give it to the other person) till your mind breaks from taking in practically infinite information and you die.

Everyone in a city was under her authority. Now did the whole city just go mad? Or still specific people she targeted even though everyone was still technically subject to her authority?

She can target specific people yes, not sure if that is what you are asking about


For now, unless someone can prove Itachi has any way to resist straight up layered soul washing, this is a clear stomp @Arcker123

 

[Arcker123]

For now, unless someone can prove Itachi has any way to resist straight up layered soul washing, this is a clear stomp @Arcker123

People gave arguments as to why Itachi's mind hax resistances covered the Authority (Which is just empathy hax with some astral effect, "soul washing" is weird rhetoric for it).
People are still questioning, if not outright denying the passive would proc before Itachi could beat her with anything.

You have a long way to go to sway people into believing Sirius even wins here, let alone stomps, especially clearly.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

People gave arguments as to why Itachi's mind hax resistances covered the Authority (Which is just empathy hax with some astral effect, "soul washing" is weird rhetoric for it).

if it affects the soul, it affects the soul. its on the profile and if you want that to be gone then remove it, going by Itachi's profile he doesnt have resistance to layered soul manipulation

People are still questioning, if not outright denying the passive would proc before Itachi could beat her with anything.

which doesnt really matter? Its not like if enough people voted for coughing baby vs Bloodlusted Saitama, it would make it not stomp

Anyways, its not like itachi can stealth master his way through a passive ability that depends on him sensing her. As soon as he senses her (which he has enough senses to be able to do so at the starting distance) its over

 

[Arcker123]

if it affects the soul, it affects the soul. its on the profile and if you want that to be gone then remove it, going by Itachi's profile he doesnt have resistance to layered soul manipulation

I don't disagree. The argument would just be that he doesn't need one, as his resistances to the base hax of Empathic/Mind through Chakra would inherently be astral due to Chakra's accepted soul manipulation.

which doesnt really matter? Its not like if enough people voted for coughing baby vs Bloodlusted Saitama, it would make it not stomp

Convincing people in arguments uh... matters?

Anyways, its not like itachi can stealth master his way through a passive ability that depends on him sensing her. As soon as he senses her (which he has enough senses to be able to do so at the starting distance) its over

He would just throw a Yasaka in her direction and nuke (12x)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't disagree. The argument would just be that he doesn't need one, as his resistances to the base hax of Empathic/Mind through Chakra would inherently be astral due to Chakra's accepted soul manipulation.

This all circles back to the fact that naruto soul manipulation isnt as abstract as Od is.

Now, let’s take a step back. Chakra’s soul manipulation isn’t layered, and even if Itachi’s mind manipulation resistance is, that doesn’t automatically scale to his soul resistance. Unless it’s explicitly accepted that his resistance to soul manipulation is layered as well, it doesn’t change the outcome here.

He would just throw a Yasaka in her direction and nuke (12x)

Heavily OOC + he already senses her so its over at the starting distance

 

[karo_senpaii]

This is seemingly thought based as she doesnt speak what they have to do

If you are asking what she has to do to drive people to death, she can infinitely double your emotions (and yes also give it to the other person) till your mind breaks from taking in practically infinite information and you die.

She can target specific people yes, not sure if that is what you are asking about


For now, unless someone can prove Itachi has any way to resist straight up layered soul washing, this is a clear stomp @Arcker123

Manipulation, Soul Manipulation (Shinobi can typically break free from and nullify non-ocular Genjutsu by intentionally disrupting the flow of chakra within their bodies.)

Crazy timing.

 

[Arcker123]

This all circles back to the fact that naruto soul manipulation isnt as abstract as Od is.

All that abstraction not on profiles .

Now, let’s take a step back. Chakra’s soul manipulation isn’t layered, and even if Itachi’s mind manipulation resistance is, that doesn’t automatically scale to his soul resistance. Unless it’s explicitly accepted that his resistance to soul manipulation is layered as well, it doesn’t change the outcome here.

1. Can you prove under this same reasoning her soul hax is layered if you can't use her mind hax layers for it?
2. His mind hax layers are all that's pertinent here, he's fighting a mind hax power that happens to affect his mind in more esoteric ways (That he should be able to interact with and resist).

Heavily OOC

No? The Yasaka Beads are his most powerful long range attack, he starts this fight at extreme long range. It's likely he'll use them.

he already senses her so its over at the starting distance

You haven't justified this. Itachi is not a sensory ninja.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Manipulation, Soul Manipulation (Shinobi can typically break free from and nullify non-ocular Genjutsu by intentionally disrupting the flow of chakra within their bodies.)

Crazy timing.

great, Sirius's authority doesnt affect their chakras. Disrupting it wouldnt do anything

All that abstraction not on profiles .

true but yk what else isnt on the profile? Itachi having layered soul resistance

1. Can you prove under this same reasoning her soul hax is layered if you can't use her mind hax layers for it?

fun fact: we have actually proven that mind and soul hax are connected in ReZero and gotten the specific layers accepted and put on the profile for it. As long as Itachi doesnt have that on his profile its a stomp

2. His mind hax layers are all that's pertinent here, he's fighting a mind hax power that happens to affect his mind in more esoteric ways (That he should be able to interact with and resist).

he should, but not when the ability is layered and he doesnt have any accepted layers

No? The Yasaka Beads are his most powerful long range attack, he starts this fight at extreme long range. It's likely he'll use them.

I neglected to use this argument because it doesnt really matter with her authority but you are dealing with a ReZero character here.

The worst feat we have is an untrained child Emilia dodging perception blitzing danmaku's by reading her opponents intent. Sirius is the best combatant of the sin archbishops which means she upscales from Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it. Whether it is AoE or Danmaku spam, using a long range attack is practically useless because Sirius will just dodge it

You haven't justified this. Itachi is not a sensory ninja.

You dont need to be a sensory ninja to see 4kms away when the average human can look upto 5kms away. Itachi is literally an ocular ninjutsu user who has ESP of all kinds, he definetely senses her. There is also no reason for him not to close in the distance.

Truth be told though him using one of his most powerful jutsus that he hasnt really used all that much against an unknown opponent is genuinely one of the biggest reaches i have ever heard.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Satella is right

So

Sirius FRA, almost a stomp fight, sadly, is not one

 

[DaReaperMan]

This is talking about the knowledge they get about their opponents, this does not mean passives or abilities which work by observation wouldnt work. That would be stupid.

Itachi has enough perception for him to instantly sense her and get soul washed

Satella, I'm boutta ruin your day: There are rules specifically AGAINST appearance-based passives from proccing due to SBA. It doesn't matter how much it doesn't make sense, or how much you want SBA knowledge to make Sirius win, it DOES NOT.

Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either.​

So yes, Sirius gets wrecked with ease, because the Negative effects of the observation will not trigger. At all.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sirius is the best combatant of the sin archbishops which means she upscales from Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it.

Wtf you talking about?
Sirius> Elsa in combat skill, what?

 

[Testarossa002]

Sirius is the best combatant of the sin archbishops which means she upscales from Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it.

I remember David mentioning this a while back but this is not logical
You cannot dodge an omnidirectional explosion while not exiting the AoE of said explosion.
You can give it whatever reality bending ability you like but it's simply not logical
That it's regarded as a skill feat in-verse doesn't mean it can't be tiered as an ability on-site.
There are verses where the characters are so "skilled", they can cut space, time, concept or any other esoteric nonsense. We don't use such in skill debates here. We simply attach the appropriate ability to it.
This feat, for example, could qualify for causality or law manipulation

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I remember David mentioning this a while back but this is not logical
You cannot dodge an omnidirectional explosion while not exiting the AoE of said explosion.
You can give it whatever reality bending ability you like but it's simply not logical
That it's regarded as a skill feat in-verse doesn't mean it can't be tiered as an ability on-site.
There are verses where the characters are so "skilled", they can cut space, time, concept or any other esoteric nonsense. We don't use such in skill debates here. We simply attach the appropriate ability to it.
This feat, for example, could qualify for causality or law manipulation

Or teleportation

 

[DaReaperMan]

Or teleportation

Or intangibility

 

[Catbowtie]

Finally someone is calling out the Re;Zero skill slop bunk, but people probably always had issues with it. Thank God First Witch is trying to fix this. Anyone in Kengan Asura skill-stomps Re;Zero anyways

Did I vote? If not, Itachi FRA.

 

[Epiccheev]

I remember David mentioning this a while back but this is not logical
You cannot dodge an omnidirectional explosion while not exiting the AoE of said explosion.
You can give it whatever reality bending ability you like but it's simply not logical
That it's regarded as a skill feat in-verse doesn't mean it can't be tiered as an ability on-site.
There are verses where the characters are so "skilled", they can cut space, time, concept or any other esoteric nonsense. We don't use such in skill debates here. We simply attach the appropriate ability to it.
This feat, for example, could qualify for causality or law manipulation

Me when i become invisible by dodging every photon that tries touching me.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Snip

Sirius don't even scale to the character who can do that anyway

 

[karo_senpaii]

great, Sirius's authority doesnt affect their chakras. Disrupting it wouldnt do anything



true but yk what else isnt on the profile? Itachi having layered soul resistance

fun fact: we have actually proven that mind and soul hax are connected in ReZero and gotten the specific layers accepted and put on the profile for it. As long as Itachi doesnt have that on his profile its a stomp

he should, but not when the ability is layered and he doesnt have any accepted layers

I neglected to use this argument because it doesnt really matter with her authority but you are dealing with a ReZero character here.

The worst feat we have is an untrained child Emilia dodging perception blitzing danmaku's by reading her opponents intent. Sirius is the best combatant of the sin archbishops which means she upscales from Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it. Whether it is AoE or Danmaku spam, using a long range attack is practically useless because Sirius will just dodge it

You dont need to be a sensory ninja to see 4kms away when the average human can look upto 5kms away. Itachi is literally an ocular ninjutsu user who has ESP of all kinds, he definetely senses her. There is also no reason for him not to close in the distance.

Truth be told though him using one of his most powerful jutsus that he hasnt really used all that much against an unknown opponent is genuinely one of the biggest reaches i have ever heard.

No. That's not how it works. Disrupting their chakra is to use their chakra to take back control over their senses or their soul or whatever is being manipulated. And this is for people without visual prowress. Those with just straight up do . If you don't know anything about an ability ask like we do and don't just make assumptions

 

[Arcker123]

true but yk what else isnt on the profile? Itachi having layered soul resistance

He doesn't need it for me to make this argument. Sirius ha soul manipulation for the sole reason that her mind hax can influence souls. It isn't required to index mind manipulating souls separately as the soul manipulation power to argue already listed Mindhax resistance applies to souls.

fun fact: we have actually proven that mind and soul hax are connected in ReZero and gotten the specific layers accepted and put on the profile for it. As long as Itachi doesnt have that on his profile its a stomp

But uh, Mind and Soul via Chakra is on his profile, and thus just scales to his mind hax.

he should, but not when the ability is layered and he doesnt have any accepted layers

Itachi has over double the accepted layers on his mind hax.

I neglected to use this argument because it doesnt really matter with her authority but you are dealing with a ReZero character here.

The worst feat we have is an untrained child Emilia dodging perception blitzing danmaku's by reading her opponents intent. Sirius is the best combatant of the sin archbishops which means she upscales from Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it. Whether it is AoE or Danmaku spam, using a long range attack is practically useless because Sirius will just dodge it

Show them dodging Bijuu Bomb level AOE that are perception blitz tiers above their speed (Susanoo speed amp)

You dont need to be a sensory ninja to see 4kms away when the average human can look upto 5kms away. Itachi is literally an ocular ninjutsu user who has ESP of all kinds, he definetely senses her. There is also no reason for him not to close in the distance.

Truth be told though him using one of his most powerful jutsus that he hasnt really used all that much against an unknown opponent is genuinely one of the biggest reaches i have ever heard.

This Itachi is going blind. Like, even with the Mangekyo Sharingan, he can barely even see Sasuke who is at max 5 meters in front of him. He physically could never register something 4KM away (Lol @ sick Itachi finally having an advantage his stronger forms don't).

I've already justified him using Yasaka as a starter in some of his fights like against Kabuto (Who he was holding back on, something he wouldn't do here, so this argument becomes stronger). It's not a reach at all for the goat genius Itachi to use his long range attacks when he's starting at such a massive distance. The Yasaka beads are the only thing he can really do to even attack at the SBA gap.

Edit: Their AOE being on par with shit like the Bijuu Bomb would make up for any issue regarding Itachi t long rnge being able to hit her, he'd basically just chuck them in her direction which he knows.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Satella, I'm boutta ruin your day: There are rules specifically AGAINST appearance-based passives from proccing due to SBA. It doesn't matter how much it doesn't make sense, or how much you want SBA knowledge to make Sirius win, it DOES NOT.

So yes, Sirius gets wrecked with ease, because the Negative effects of the observation will not trigger. At all.

Can i sleep in peace and not wake up to this

Brother, please read the full context. It's talking about the knowledge characters get about their opponents before the fight begins. It doesn’t mean that passive abilities, like those that activate by sensing, seeing, or being near your opponent, suddenly stop working at the start of the fight.


Simply put:


This rule only limits how much information a character has about their opponent before the battle starts. It doesn’t stop passive effects from triggering during the actual fight. If your ability activates on sight, sound, presence, or any other natural trigger, it still works.

Wtf you talking about?
Sirius> Elsa in combat skill, what?

Here you go buddy:

In terms of skills Wrath and Gluttony are close whereas the rest are far behind

Gluttony as we know is far superior to Elsa

I remember David mentioning this a while back but this is not logical
You cannot dodge an omnidirectional explosion while not exiting the AoE of said explosion.
You can give it whatever reality bending ability you like but it's simply not logical
That it's regarded as a skill feat in-verse doesn't mean it can't be tiered as an ability on-site.
There are verses where the characters are so "skilled", they can cut space, time, concept or any other esoteric nonsense. We don't use such in skill debates here. We simply attach the appropriate ability to it.
This feat, for example, could qualify for causality or law manipulation

this isnt causality or law manipulation, it is just "dodging". The wiki doesnt have a way of indexing it properly other from maybe resistance to danmaku or AoE (which sounds dubious to say the least)

Or teleportation

ReZero has teleportation, it is a separate technique called "Leaper"

Or intangibility

Spirits have intangibiltiy, people do not. So neither are accurate

Me when i become invisible by dodging every photon that tries touching me.

that would be invisibility, (I wonder if Cecilus could do rthis lmfao)

No. That's not how it works. Disrupting their chakra is to use their chakra to take back control over their senses or their soul or whatever is being manipulated. And this is for people without visual prowress. Those with just straight up do . If you don't know anything about an ability ask like we do and don't just make assumptions

this does not change the fact that Itachi's soul manipulation isnt layered. If it is, then get it accepted and added onto the profile. There is no point for one side to argue about smth on the profile if they dismiss the other side's lack of indexing

that is hypocritic

He doesn't need it for me to make this argument. Sirius ha soul manipulation for the sole reason that her mind hax can influence souls. It isn't required to index mind manipulating souls separately as the soul manipulation power to argue already listed Mindhax resistance applies to souls.

have it added onto the profile explicitly stating so

But uh, Mind and Soul via Chakra is on his profile, and thus just scales to his mind hax.

doesnt automatically make it so unless its accepted to be so

Itachi has over double the accepted layers on his mind hax.

for mind hax yeah, but not for his soul hax

Show them dodging Bijuu Bomb level AOE that are perception blitz tiers above their speed (Susanoo speed amp)

just combine the 2 feats i gave you earlier
They can dodge things in a room where there is no space to dodge, dodging one in an open space would be easier

This Itachi is going blind. Like, even with the Mangekyo Sharingan, he can barely even see Sasuke who is at max 5 meters in front of him. He physically could never register something 4KM away (Lol @ sick Itachi finally having an advantage his stronger forms don't).

true but he is aware of her existence which is more than enough for her ability to activate

The trigger for being affected by her Authority is simply seeing her, hearing her voice, feeling her presence, or being aware of her existence

I've already justified him using Yasaka as a starter in some of his fights like against Kabuto (Who he was holding back on, something he wouldn't do here, so this argument becomes stronger). It's not a reach at all for the goat genius Itachi to use his long range attacks when he's starting at such a massive distance. The Yasaka beads are the only thing he can really do to even attack at the SBA gap.

Edit: Their AOE being on par with shit like the Bijuu Bomb would make up for any issue regarding Itachi t long rnge being able to hit her, he'd basically just chuck them in her direction which he knows.

good for him, too bad she dodges

 

[Catbowtie]

Here you go buddy:

In terms of skills Wrath and Gluttony are close whereas the rest are far behind

Gluttony as we know is far superior to Elsa

Wait wait how do we know this isn't "Who has the best abilities for combat"?

true but he is aware of her existence which is more than enough for her ability to activate

Satella that's not how it works bruh SBA means Itachi is protected from any abilities that would happen via observation, due to the fact they are given information to identify their opponent, which is what they look like.

good for him, too bad she dodges

This is just a NLF bro

 

[karo_senpaii]

Can i sleep in peace and not wake up to this

Brother, please read the full context. It's talking about the knowledge characters get about their opponents before the fight begins. It doesn’t mean that passive abilities, like those that activate by sensing, seeing, or being near your opponent, suddenly stop working at the start of the fight.


Simply put:


This rule only limits how much information a character has about their opponent before the battle starts. It doesn’t stop passive effects from triggering during the actual fight. If your ability activates on sight, sound, presence, or any other natural trigger, it still works.



Here you go buddy:

In terms of skills Wrath and Gluttony are close whereas the rest are far behind

Gluttony as we know is far superior to Elsa


this isnt causality or law manipulation, it is just "dodging". The wiki doesnt have a way of indexing it properly other from maybe resistance to danmaku or AoE (which sounds dubious to say the least)


ReZero has teleportation, it is a separate technique called "Leaper"


Spirits have intangibiltiy, people do not. So neither are accurate

that would be invisibility, (I wonder if Cecilus could do rthis lmfao)

this does not change the fact that Itachi's soul manipulation isnt layered. If it is, then get it accepted and added onto the profile. There is no point for one side to argue about smth on the profile if they dismiss the other side's lack of indexing

that is hypocritic


have it added onto the profile explicitly stating so

doesnt automatically make it so unless its accepted to be so

for mind hax yeah, but not for his soul hax

just combine the 2 feats i gave you earlier
They can dodge things in a room where there is no space to dodge, dodging one in an open space would be easier

true but he is aware of her existence which is more than enough for her ability to activate



good for him, too bad she dodges

Just because your author smokes crack doesn't mean we should join him in smoking it.

On the wiki dodging AOE attacks will never and can never be a skill feat. It's like the same way in verse one shotting doesn't translate to wiki's too.
That's not a skill feat, it can never be coz no amount of skill comprehensible to the human brain can allow you dodge an explosion in a room without getting out. Also none of Itachi attacks are room sized explosion.


Oh and on the soul manipulation point you do the maths yourself. If Itachi genjutsu has 4layers but genjutsu didn't have soul manipulation before what happens if it has it?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Wait wait how do we know this isn't "Who has the best abilities for combat"?

because that has been answered in a different qna, the answer is greed btw

Satella that's not how it works bruh SBA means Itachi is protected from any abilities that would happen via observation, due to the fact they are given information to identify their opponent, which is what they look like.

that information is given before the matchup starts and does not protect them during the matchup

This is just a NLF bro

it isnt an NLF if its an ability they have shown to be able to perform, NLF is a completely different fallacy

Just because your author smokes crack doesn't mean we should join him in smoking it.

On the wiki dodging AOE attacks will never and can never be a skill feat. It's like the same way in verse one shotting doesn't translate to wiki's too.
That's not a skill feat, it can never be coz no amount of skill comprehensible to the human brain can allow you dodge an explosion in a room without getting out.

appeal to reality fallacy lmao

Also none of Itachi attacks are room sized explosion.

good for him, the AoE she dodged isnt JUST a room sized explosion. its the room blowing up and her dodging the room blowing up without exiting it. This is also not a one off feat and Ram has done the same

Oh and on the soul manipulation point you do the maths yourself. If Itachi genjutsu has 4layers but genjutsu didn't have soul manipulation before what happens if it has it?

i am not doing the math for you, make a CRT, add it to the profile and then come back to argue this

 

[Catbowtie]

Why do we even got Satella in here protecting Sirius Shouldn't you be fiending over Subaru?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why do we even got Satella in here protecting Sirius Shouldn't you be fiending over Subaru?

Canonically Sirius hates Satella so you are right to preach on about this


am i Thorfin?

 

[Catbowtie]

The only content I watched about Re;Zero is Season 1 to 2, and all of the Subaru IF stories except like Greed and uhhh I think that's it. Sloth Subaru ON

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The only content I watched about Re;Zero is Season 1 to 2, and all of the Subaru IF stories except like Greed and uhhh I think that's it. Sloth Subaru ON

All if stories have a bad end, Sloth if ends with Subaru dying at the age of 80 and coming back to arc 3 in front of the appa stand

You are probably missing aganau, gluttony and mimigau if

 

[Catbowtie]

All if stories have a bad end, Sloth if ends with Subaru dying at the age of 80 and coming back to arc 3 in front of the appa stand

This is one of the times where an author is wrong about their own story.

You are probably missing aganau, gluttony and mimigau if

What are these?

 

[Testarossa002]

this isnt causality or law manipulation, it is just "dodging".

dodging requires you to leave the AoE of an attack. If you didn't leave it, you either tanked it or warped reality. Causality manip works fine for that, as you're changing the effect (leaving a room) of a cause (dodging a room-sized explosion)

 

[karo_senpaii]

because that has been answered in a different qna, the answer is greed btw

that information is given before the matchup starts and does not protect them during the matchup

it isnt an NLF if its an ability they have shown to be able to perform, NLF is a completely different fallacy


appeal to reality fallacy lmao


good for him, the AoE she dodged isnt JUST a room sized explosion. its the room blowing up and her dodging the room blowing up without exiting it. This is also not a one off feat and Ram has done the same

i am not doing the math for you, make a CRT, add it to the profile and then come back to argue this

I'm not appealing to reality. I'm appealing to the wiki which we are debating on. Dodging an AOE attacks without leaving a room isn't a skill feat on the wiki.

That's great. Still doesn't make it a skill feat. And if you didn't categorize an ability for it and no explanation for how it's done it means you didn't index it on the wiki. Itachi is still blowing her up with a bigger explosion.

Actually scratch that. Itachi is just on tapping her with genjutsu.

Also a CRT is not needed for anything. Itachi genjutsu already has 4layers approved. If soul manipulation was added it simply means he has 4layers

 

[Arcker123]

Grace is over. Itachi won.

have it added onto the profile explicitly stating so

Chakra being spiritual and having soul manipulation is on the page.

doesnt automatically make it so unless its accepted to be so

....It being on the page makes it accepted?

for mind hax yeah, but not for his soul hax

His mind hax is spiritual via Chakra pogger.

just combine the 2 feats i gave you earlier
They can dodge things in a room where there is no space to dodge, dodging one in an open space would be easier

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What?

The explosion is not only much faster than her, but is of a much wider range and power, how could that be easier?

true but he is aware of her existence which is more than enough for her ability to activate

SBA kills this sadly.

good for him, too bad she dodges

You haven't done the best job of justifying that...

 

[DaReaperMan]

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