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The Real World Discussion Thread

Agnaa said:
Plus, I don't see how our standards would be able to stop a pile of random black holes if we allow Phoenix A.
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Well, fair enough, I don't think we should. The Moon is at least notable in that it's universally known and commonly discussed.
Phoenix A is essentially just a random black hole, even if it is the biggest we've discovered.
 
Agnaa said:
It's a black hole. It's a region of space that is not a creature, plant, weapon, vehicle, or civilisation. It is not a recurring event.

It is a location. The page's creator is just pretending otherwise by shoving it into the wrong section of the verse page.
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Fun fact. I AM THE CREATOR OF THE PAGE LMAO

and secondly, I ain't scaling it as a location, I'm scaling it as an object which it is. That is why it says "4-A"
 
We don't have "object" pages. We have characters, weapons, vehicles, civilisations, teams, events, and locations.

And so, my prior post stands.
 
Agnaa said:
We don't have "object" pages. We have characters, weapons, vehicles, civilisations, teams, events, and locations.

And so, my prior post stands.
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Why can't we add one? It would make sense since there are many objects in space that we could also scale
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
yeah, but it's not like some guy could just visit there without being sucked up, so it should count as an object
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Chaos Ball

The Chaos Ball (ケイオスボール, Keiosu Bōru?) is a black hole which Mechikabura created in order to absorb the multiverse into himself, or in his own words: make Time his. He later merged with it, attaining his own version of the Time Power Unleashed state. Tier: Low 1-C Name: Chaos Ball Origin: Super...
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here is a blackhole we have as a location. also that makes no sense as a reasoning for it not to be location.
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
yeah, but it's not like some guy could just visit there without being sucked up, so it should count as an object
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If they resisted it, they could.

I would be fine with fictional spaces which ordinary people get erased upon entering (I think MtG's Blind Eternities is like that?) getting location profiles.

So I don't see why a black hole would need an entirely different qualification, due to ordinary people being unable to exist in it. Hell, the same is true for most planets, stars, and moons, just to a lesser extent.
 
Agnaa said:
If they resisted it, they could.

I would be fine with fictional spaces which ordinary people get erased upon entering (I think MtG's Blind Eternities is like that?) getting location profiles.

So I don't see why a black hole would need an entirely different qualification, due to ordinary people being unable to exist in it. Hell, the same is true for most planets, stars, and moons, just to a lesser extent.
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We're talking about REAL LIFE here
 
Ebihara said:
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Chaos Ball

The Chaos Ball (ケイオスボール, Keiosu Bōru?) is a black hole which Mechikabura created in order to absorb the multiverse into himself, or in his own words: make Time his. He later merged with it, attaining his own version of the Time Power Unleashed state. Tier: Low 1-C Name: Chaos Ball Origin: Super...
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here is a blackhole we have as a location. also that makes no sense as a reasoning for it not to be location.
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We're talking about real life, not fiction
 
Agnaa said:
Our page types are site-wide, I don't get your point.
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what I mean is that in real life, you can't just enter a black hole and live there or whatever. Real Life is different from fiction, so Real World pages should correspond to how real life works
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
you can't just enter a black hole and live there or whatever.
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i dont think that would disqulaify somthing as a location, this is really flawed logic. there are many places on earth you cant go without dying/cant live at. are these places not locations??
 
Ebihara said:
i dont think that would disqulaify somthing as a location, this is really flawed logic. there are many places on earth you cant go without dying/cant live at. are these places not locations??
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I don't mean dying. If an object can physically exist there without being absorbed or destroyed on a quantum level, that place is a location
 
Agnaa said:
We don't have "object" pages. We have characters, weapons, vehicles, civilisations, teams, events, and locations.

And so, my prior post stands.
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Quick questions as I'm spectating this.

Where do you draw the line in the sand when technically anything could be an event, weapon, or object?

And do most people really find the Moon boring or even interesting as a location? Last time I checked, the main purpose of the location rule is to allow uninteresting locations and even then, what's considered mundane or above average interesting is subjective by everyone.
 
Ebihara said:
What a random and nonsense standard you came up with.
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It's hard to explain what I mean, but what I meant to say is that blackholes have the abilities of an object.
Think of it this way, if someone created a black hole in a lab, that black hole would count as an object that has powers
 
Agnaa said:
The abilities provided are ridiculous. Reflecting light is not Light Manipulation, that's a property of almost all matter in the universe!!! Having a gravitational pull is not Gravity Manipulation, that's a property of almost all matter. Humans evolving to generally sleep at night is not Sleep Manipulation. Black Holes don't have Accelerated Development. The Earth does not have Plant Manipulation because trees exist on it.
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Ok, some of this is waranted, though I should note that the profile was made by a somewhat fresh user.

The Moon is still fundementally a large rock in space, but it at least objectively has superpowers by virtue of it's size (stronger magnetic field, durability, gravity, water influence, etc than what most people could do). Though on FinePoint's part, what are examples of stuff that could make the Moon interesting that most people don't know? That's what I wanna see.
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
It's hard to explain what I mean, but what I meant to say is that blackholes have the abilities of an object.
Think of it this way, if someone created a black hole in a lab, that black hole would count as an object that has powers
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Because it would be too small.

A patch of dirt wouldn't be a location. But a mountain would be.
H3110l12345I20 said:
Quick questions as I'm spectating this.

Where do you draw the line in the sand when technically anything could be an event, weapon, or object?
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A weapon is something that is an object that is wielded by a character to perform feats.

An event is something that happens once or periodically.

An object is a thing which does not act autonomously, is not wielded to perform feats, is not wielded to travel, is not a collection of beings, and is not (a collection of things large enough to function as a location) or (a collection of things which is, within a piece of fiction, treated as a location).
H3110l12345I20 said:
And do most people really find the Moon boring or even interesting as a location? Last time I checked, the main purpose of the location rule is to allow uninteresting locations and even then, what's considered mundane or above average interesting is subjective by everyone.
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It sure is. But there are probably around 10^26 natural satellites out there. There is no good cutoff point for indexing those, and I don't want us to be spammed with them. So I'd rather cut off at 0.
H3110l12345I20 said:
The Moon is still fundementally a large rock in space, but it at least objectively has superpowers by virtue of it's size (stronger magnetic field, durability, gravity, water influence, etc than what most people could do). Though on FinePoint's part, what are examples of stuff that could make the Moon interesting that most people don't know? That's what I wanna see.
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There are probably over 10^31 bodies in the universe which fit that description. That's not actually notable, imo.

If you want to share trivia about astronomical objects, do it on another website. This is a website about indexing information relevant for adversarial confrontations.
 
I think we should delete Earth and Moon pages, we have rules that forbid Real World locations. Not to mention, the tiers do not really like up with what's more realistic.
 
Agnaa said:
It sure is. But there are probably around 10^26 natural satellites out there. There is no good cutoff point for indexing those, and I don't want us to be spammed with them. So I'd rather cut off at 0.
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To clarify, most people find the Moon uninteresting?
 
@Agnaa What if we limited these real world profiles to specific exceptions? The cutoff point for black holes could be one that we we'll specifically allow. We allow the Moon and maybe a couple other particularly notable places and disallow the others.

I do think it's bad policy to allow dozens of the same profile and I do recognize people will probably abuse that out of malicious boredom, but still. I think a moon profile so fights can take place there is fine.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
To clarify, most people find the Moon uninteresting?
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I'm not sure what you're referring to.
TugiaTheNarrator said:
That's not the point. A mountain doesn't have extraordinary abilities
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It is the point.
We were talking about the distinction between locations and objects. Whether the example I use has the extraordinary abilities needed to be an actual profile is irrelevant, since we're not talking about that.
Mr. Bambu said:
@Agnaa What if we limited these real world profiles to specific exceptions? The cutoff point for black holes could be one that we we'll specifically allow. We allow the Moon and maybe a couple other particularly notable places and disallow the others.

I do think it's bad policy to allow dozens of the same profile and I do recognize people will probably abuse that out of malicious boredom, but still. I think a moon profile so fights can take place there is fine.
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I don't want to be peppered with people looking for exceptions every couple of months....
  • We have to include the other planets within our solar system, right? They're mostly quite different, and are quite notable for us.
  • We should include a few of the more prominent moons in our solar system, they actually have some quite stunning properties.
  • We should include this exoplanet, it's the most Earthlike one we've found to date!
  • Shouldn't we include the supermassive black hole in the center of the Milky Way? That's the one most relevant to us.
  • Why don't we include the Milky Way as a whole for matches between ginormous beings?
  • This black hole's quite interesting, it spins more quickly than any others we've detected!
  • This exoplanet has a different composition than any in our solar system, it should deserve a spot, right?
  • Ooh here's an interesting exoplanet; it's not part of any star system! We should surely have at least one page for one of those.
Especially since I worry that, at one point, we would stop applying proper scrutiny to this. Particularly with our prior attempts at providing Editing Rules for The Real World not strictly being followed....
Please do not make profiles for real life vehicles, unless the vehicle in question is combat-oriented, such as a tank. Ordinary civilian vehicles are not notable or distinct enough for pages.
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Yet we have the Bloodhound LSR, Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, Prosthesis, Robosaurus, and Megasaurus. They're not ordinary civilian vehicles (although the Ford Crown Victoria is very close), but they're also not combat-oriented. And if we are ditching the combat requirement, then we'd be open to profiles for shit like this.
 
Agnaa said:
It is the point.
We were talking about the distinction between locations and objects. Whether the example I use has the extraordinary abilities needed to be an actual profile is irrelevant, since we're not talking about that.
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Ok. The thing is, it's HARD TO EXPLAIN exactly what I mean, so I'll try my best.
A black hole is a star or whatever that has been compressed into a machine that sucks up things
It shouldn't be scaled as a location, since there's no way a fight can take place there, so it instead should be scaled as a celestial object.

Even if it IS a location, it shouldn't be removed because it straight up is very important as it gets the whole verse to 4-A
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
Ok. The thing is, it's HARD TO EXPLAIN exactly what I mean, so I'll try my best.
A black hole is a star or whatever that has been compressed into a machine that sucks up things
It shouldn't be scaled as a location, since there's no way a fight can take place there, so it instead should be scaled as a celestial object.
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There's no way a fight between ordinary humans can take place on the moon either.

But if they had sufficient resistances, fictional characters could fight on the moon, and in a black hole.
TugiaTheNarrator said:
Even if it IS a location, it shouldn't be removed because it straight up is very important as it gets the whole verse to 4-A
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That's not actually very important.
 
Agnaa said:
There's no way a fight between ordinary humans can take place on the moon either.

But if they had sufficient resistances, fictional characters could fight on the moon, and in a black hole.
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Yeah, a fight between ordinary humans

and most fights in fiction don't take place within black holes, they takes place on moons or planets
 
Ebihara said:
Why does this matter? and no it doesnt matter its part of the irl verse and humans cant fight there. seems more you just dont want it to be a location more then any real reason.
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Astronauts could fight there

and the reason I don't want it to be a location is that it would just be ridiculous.
Why would anyone in the irl verse fight inside a black hole?
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
Yeah, a fight between ordinary humans

and most fights in fiction don't take place within black holes, they takes place on moons or planets
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Our location profiles include a higher-dimensional realm of pure energy and emotion, a digital dimension, and a space between universes composed of strands of pure order.
TugiaTheNarrator said:
Astronauts could fight there

and the reason I don't want it to be a location is that it would just be ridiculous.
Why would anyone in the irl verse fight inside a black hole?
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They're not really established for use by the IRL verse.

Or put another way, what is the point of a black hole profile if no characters would be fighting in it? You can't exactly fight against one.
 
Agnaa said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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I'll correct myself earlier, we're not supposed to allow boring location profiles. Semantically, You weren't clear if you meant that if most people would find locations like the moon boring and too normal.
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The Real World Discussion Thread

Plus, I don't see how our standards would be able to stop a pile of random black holes if we allow Phoenix A. Well, fair enough, I don't think we should. The Moon is at least notable in that it's universally known and commonly discussed. Phoenix A is essentially just a random black hole, even...
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Also, I don't get the "every thing in the universe has X thing" point when even among vague semantics there is a baseline defining where a line can be drawn in the sand between "boring and ordinary" and interesting like other vague baselines. Otherwise you'd be equalizing a city with I don't know... a Moon or Jupiter?
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
The point is to be treated like the Tsar Bomba profile
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The Tsar Bomba is a weapon which characters can wield, or attempt to withstand.

That sort of idea becomes a lot fuzzier with black holes. We're currently withstanding them, and we'd gradually face more and more adverse effects as we got closer; at what point would that be the thing we're quantifying for a match?

And while there are multiple invocations of the Tsar Bomba specifically in fiction, most mentions of black holes in fiction involve their own creations, or different black holes entirely from Phoenix A.
H3110l12345I20 said:
I'll correct myself earlier, we're not supposed to allow boring location profiles. Semantically, You weren't clear if you meant that if most people would find locations like the moon boring and too normal.
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The Real World Discussion Thread

Plus, I don't see how our standards would be able to stop a pile of random black holes if we allow Phoenix A. Well, fair enough, I don't think we should. The Moon is at least notable in that it's universally known and commonly discussed. Phoenix A is essentially just a random black hole, even...
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So my points in that post were:
  1. A lab-created black hole wouldn't be a location due to being too small.
  2. Describing a distinction between weapons, events, and objects.
  3. Saying that there is no good cutoff point for which of the ~10^26 natural satellites should be indexed.
  4. Saying that there are ~10^31 astronomical objects which have qualities beyond those of humans.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the moon being boring/normal, or what that would have to do with this discussion as a whole.
H3110l12345I20 said:
Also, I don't get the "every thing in the universe has X thing" point when even among vague semantics there is a baseline defining where a line can be drawn in the sand between "boring and ordinary" and interesting like other vague baselines. Otherwise you'd be equalizing a city with I don't know... a Moon or Jupiter?
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The issue is I don't think there is a good one. And that attempting to find one will have it continually being kicked back month after month to allow more and more profiles.
 
Agnaa said:
The Tsar Bomba is a weapon which characters can wield, or attempt to withstand.

That sort of idea becomes a lot fuzzier with black holes. We're currently withstanding them, and we'd gradually face more and more adverse effects as we got closer; at what point would that be the thing we're quantifying for a match?

And while there are multiple invocations of the Tsar Bomba specifically in fiction, most mentions of black holes in fiction involve their own creations, or different black holes entirely from Phoenix A.
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What I meant was to be treated as a natural structure
 
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