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Agreed, we already list a few other viruses anyway no? Those should be no different
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The Real World Discussion Thread
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H3110l12345I20
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With the exception of the pandemic from 2019 for common knowledge reasons, I see your guys' reasoning. Thanks for the replies!
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I feel like coronaviruses in general could be included, COVID-19 wasn't the only one, SARS and MERS also were caused by coronaviruses, just that COVID-19 was most likely the worst (and hopefully the last) of the epidemics/pandemics that were caused by coronaviruses.
Coronavirus - Wikipedia
Coronavirus diseases - Wikipedia
Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer
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This... is depressing.I did add placeholders for other infectious and deadly conditions into the Real World verse page as stated in the message linked below but we still need pages/entries for them. (Also, hi Cracker, thanks again for making this thread in the first place.)
The Real World Discussion Thread
Fire up the CRTs! This is not a drill!: https://phys.org/news/2024-10-jedi-rodents-remotely.amp I repeat, this is not a drill!vsbattles.com
Just gonna post/repost these Wikipedia pages since they should be relevant:
Median lethal dose - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
List of human disease case fatality rates - Wikipedia
List of causes of death by rate - Wikipedia
List of natural disasters by death toll - Wikipedia
Draft:List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll - Wikipedia
^ H3, just a reminder as to where I posted the Wikipedia stuff to look into with regard to finding potential entries to add to the Real World verse page.
I hope you all are OK, but this info is probably gonna be important if we're trying to improve the quality of and reduce likelihood of harm to as many lives as possible, so I think it's worth sharing despite the morbid nature of it:
Death - Wikipedia
As of the early 21st century, 56 million people die per year. The most common reason is aging, followed by cardiovascular disease, which is a disease that affects the heart or blood vessels. As of 2022, an estimated total of almost 110 billion humans have died, or roughly 94% of all humans to have ever lived.
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Grizzly Bear vs Freddy Fazbear (Real World vs Five Nights at Freddy's) - 2-0-0
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Grizzly_Bear https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Freddy_Fazbear_(Movie) Both are 9-C. Speed is equalized. Battle takes place inside Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and both characters start 10 meters from each other. The Grizzly Bear Freddy is facing is a adult grizzly...
I think this thread can also be used for this, right?
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I'd think it can, but we also may need to wait for responses from more experienced peeps.Grizzly Bear vs Freddy Fazbear (Real World vs Five Nights at Freddy's) - 2-0-0
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Grizzly_Bear https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Freddy_Fazbear_(Movie) Both are 9-C. Speed is equalized. Battle takes place inside Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and both characters start 10 meters from each other. The Grizzly Bear Freddy is facing is a adult grizzly...
I think this thread can also be used for this, right?
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Also I made a profile for LMJ: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TugiaTheNarrator/Lion's_mane_jellyfish and I also think P. Man O war should be put at 50 meters not 30 in their "Large Size" section
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Regular uses don't have a functioning tag feature.
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aw man. And what do u think about the lion mane jellyfish profile?
H3110l12345I20
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What brings you here to the IRL verse to powerscale?
And on the KE, if the animal in character does and withstands KE, it can scale.
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I made the Earth profile, feel free to add stuff
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can I add KE?
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I don't think that makes sense, since if so there's no reason why something like green hill doesn't have KE either
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could you put down some justifications for its powers n scans? I'll try and get a better image too
Phoenix A
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I think I'd have to make a "Black Hole Physiology" page for that
H3110l12345I20
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As a new user you are and even if you're experienced, I highly recommend you read the rules first, since they don't allow real life locations.
However, some cases could be unique since IRL is used as a reference point. I'll need to contact staff if we need stuff like the Earth, moon, solar system, universe, etc as a reference point.
H3110l12345I20
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Ok, I replied to 4 staff on their message walls.
In-case they get deleted, move them into sandboxes and repost them in either Alt Battles or Joke Battles wiki.
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Wait for the users to have a defense and them to archive the profile. If they don't reply in a week to defend this, then I'll do the work myselfAnyway, what do we currently need to do here?
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Phoenix A
Phoenix A is among largest black holes currently discovered. Phoenix a has an estimated mass of 100 billion suns. The black hole was initially discovered in 2010 AC by R. Williamson and his colleagues during a survey by the South Pole telescope in Antarctica along with it's hypermassive, Abell...
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As a black hole fanboy, I have a couple of things to say about this:
- Black holes are not non-existent. Nonexistence on this wiki means that they quite literally do not have any physical or spatial-temporal existence. Black holes explicitly do. If they were really non-existent voids, we wouldn't be able to observe them whatsoever.
- Black holes don't manipulate the void nor can they convert things into void. The law of conservation of mass physically limits information from being created or destroyed.
- Intangibility should be used in place of incorporeality. Since black holes aren't abstract things. They're just intangible, spatial constructs.
- The durability should be unknown, as black holes can't be physically interacted with. And they'd just passively absorb any energy source near them anyway. It's also not really possible to destroy the singularity from what we know, given it is a zero-dimensional point in space.
- The matter manipulation/deconstruction should be down to the informational level. Information in physics being things like entropy and quantum states defining the most elementary components of reality. Would be either quantum or macro-quantum level matter manipulation and deconstruction.
- You could add heat manipulation given that the accretion disks around large black holes can be millions of degrees.
- Could add Longevity since the largest black holes are predicted to survive for over a googol years.
- Could add a weakness to Hawking Radiation, since that's the only known thing capable of naturally dissolving them.
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Right so uh, I forgor bout the real world location thing. If you just want to send it to my sandbox, give me the links and then I’ll see if alt battles wants them
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Before I press on, I'll give my position on the matter for you and Ant.
I'm having a mixed opinion on the situation here. On one hand, we would have the rare few statistics we would have for calcs and powerscaling. On the other hand, I'm not knowledgable on this wiki rule case and I'm worried on if it opens the door for more irrelevant or controversial places like countries, cities, etc when we already can [vague lines here] easily look up said statistics and info.
I'll wait for more responses, If nothing else, we'll see if alt battles would accept the pages
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Ok. I'll fix that.Phoenix A
Phoenix A is among largest black holes currently discovered. Phoenix a has an estimated mass of 100 billion suns. The black hole was initially discovered in 2010 AC by R. Williamson and his colleagues during a survey by the South Pole telescope in Antarctica along with it's hypermassive, Abell...
As a black hole fanboy, I have a couple of things to say about this:
- Black holes are not non-existent. Nonexistence on this wiki means that they quite literally do not have any physical or spatial-temporal existence. Black holes explicitly do. If they were really non-existent voids, we wouldn't be able to observe them whatsoever.
- Black holes don't manipulate the void nor can they convert things into void. The law of conservation of mass physically limits information from being created or destroyed.
- Intangibility should be used in place of incorporeality. Since black holes aren't abstract things. They're just intangible, spatial constructs.
- The durability should be unknown, as black holes can't be physically interacted with. And they'd just passively absorb any energy source near them anyway. It's also not really possible to destroy the singularity from what we know, given it is a zero-dimensional point in space.
- The matter manipulation/deconstruction should be down to the informational level. Information in physics being things like entropy and quantum states defining the most elementary components of reality. Would be either quantum or macro-quantum level matter manipulation and deconstruction.
- You could add heat manipulation given that the accretion disks around large black holes can be millions of degrees.
- Could add Longevity since the largest black holes are predicted to survive for over a googol years.
- Could add a weakness to Hawking Radiation, since that's the only known thing capable of naturally dissolving them.
Also can u check this CRT?: https://vsbattles.com/threads/real-world-some-revisions.181181
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I'm hesitant to allow this for fear of increasingly pointless real world profiles of this ilk, and I think at least a couple of the abilities shouldn't be on there (it's listing the Moon's effects on Earth, but that's largely all just due to gravity, the moon has no particularly special effect on, say, water, and the sleep manipulation seems silly to include as well).
On the other hand, I think if we apply common sense, we can block out those increasingly silly profiles, and allowing the Moon profile at least in concept seems in line with our standards, as far as I am aware of them. Our rule against real world locations specifies that it is based on disallowing mundane locations. This probably does make the Earth profile unallowable, since that is about as "normal" as one can get (not to mention that it is already the default location for matches to be in, anyways, broadly speaking).
There was some discussion regarding the pages elsewhere, where @Agnaa felt they ought to be deleted due to bad formatting, @FinePoint felt that the Moon could serve as a fine profile in concept (despite our rule against real world locations) since the purpose of the rule was to weed out unremarkable locations, which (we agree) the Moon is not. @DarkDragonMedeus didn't state explicit feelings on ruling but noted the aforementioned rules on the subject, and @Theglassman12 brought it up initially. So, I invite those four to share their thoughts here.
My own final opinion: delete the Earth profile, but I think there's a good argument in favor of keeping a profile for the Moon- whether it is this one or some other, I think the fundamental basis of the profile is fine.
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I think the Moon is an interesting enough location that reasonably changes the criteria of battle, and is a pretty common one at that, so having some standards on how we consider it to do so could be helpful. Though, this specific profile itself has a lot of problems, as mentioned. For example, the 'sleep manipulation' thing I looked into, and it's from a study of just thirty three people, and even if not tenuous at best.
In a similar vein of being a bit quirky, but definitely far more likely to impact battle and scientifically supported: moon dust is mildly toxic.
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I'm neutral on whether or not we keep either the Earth and Moon profiles, I mostly mentioned the Moon page because it was formatted and tiered very weirdly. If they get to stay that's fine by me, if not then it is what it is.
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Would it be reasonable to add a section on the "The real world" page for "celestial bodies"? Since that would limit the wiggle room for what can be used, I also think this profile's main objectives should be to have interesting matchup settings for versus battles.
Though the current profile quality leaves many things to be desiered, but is more than fixable.
Though the current profile quality leaves many things to be desiered, but is more than fixable.
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Considering the Moon is gaining support and the Earth profile is likely going to get booted, I archived the source for the Earth.
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Ok yeah it seems like The Moon is chill but Earth is getting kicked. I'll move it to Joke Battles as Alt Battles doesn't want it and believe it or not, earth is not fanfiction therefore isn't fc/oc
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I think we shouldn't have real world locations. Not Earth, nor the Moon, nor Phoenix A.
The AP rating for such things is completely arbitrary. The effects plausibly created from them vary from tiny things (wind blowing a piece of grass), to major things (their KE relative to the CMB). There is ultimately no sensical tier to provide these.
The abilities provided are ridiculous. Reflecting light is not Light Manipulation, that's a property of almost all matter in the universe!!! Having a gravitational pull is not Gravity Manipulation, that's a property of almost all matter. Humans evolving to generally sleep at night is not Sleep Manipulation. Black Holes don't have Accelerated Development. The Earth does not have Plant Manipulation because trees exist on it.
Ultimately, if these profiles were properly made, they would include almost nothing. And in those cases, they would open the way to literally millions of completely uninteresting profiles, merely changing a few values here and there of size and age. They would serve no purpose, many variables relevant for calculations aren't included in these standard formats, can be easily found in other ways, and would be better placed somewhere else. If someone wants to host a fight on them, they can do that without us having a compendium merely saying "there's magma and radiation in some places".
The AP rating for such things is completely arbitrary. The effects plausibly created from them vary from tiny things (wind blowing a piece of grass), to major things (their KE relative to the CMB). There is ultimately no sensical tier to provide these.
The abilities provided are ridiculous. Reflecting light is not Light Manipulation, that's a property of almost all matter in the universe!!! Having a gravitational pull is not Gravity Manipulation, that's a property of almost all matter. Humans evolving to generally sleep at night is not Sleep Manipulation. Black Holes don't have Accelerated Development. The Earth does not have Plant Manipulation because trees exist on it.
Ultimately, if these profiles were properly made, they would include almost nothing. And in those cases, they would open the way to literally millions of completely uninteresting profiles, merely changing a few values here and there of size and age. They would serve no purpose, many variables relevant for calculations aren't included in these standard formats, can be easily found in other ways, and would be better placed somewhere else. If someone wants to host a fight on them, they can do that without us having a compendium merely saying "there's magma and radiation in some places".
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Phoenix A ain't a location
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It's a black hole. It's a region of space that is not a creature, plant, weapon, vehicle, or civilisation. It is not a recurring event.
It is a location. The page's creator is just pretending otherwise by shoving it into the wrong section of the verse page.
It is a location. The page's creator is just pretending otherwise by shoving it into the wrong section of the verse page.
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Locations don't need AP, and we already acknowledged the abilities on this specific page are bad.
There is still a lot of interesting things about the Moon that most people don't know but would be relevant in combat there, and I don't think a well-made page would contain almost nothing.
And I also don't think it would be a slippery slope to make an exception to this one extremely popular and interesting place in the real world (or even if it is that we would have to allow thousands of low quality pages with barely any changes as a result, we already have other standards for things like that).
Honestly, it sounds like your complaints with real world locations could be said for most fictional locations as well. Part of the fundamental problem is probably just that we've ripped the character page format almost 1-1 for no practical reason even though so much of the format now needs to be sort of stretched to be relevant.
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Fictional locations have their own traits, and often have supernatural qualities. But yeah, we shouldn't have them if there's no meaningfully different information about them.
I wouldn't want a profile for Io from OPM.
Plus, I don't see how our standards would be able to stop a pile of random black holes if we allow Phoenix A.
I wouldn't want a profile for Io from OPM.
Plus, I don't see how our standards would be able to stop a pile of random black holes if we allow Phoenix A.
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