Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor: Cosmology blog, and likely 1-A

[Rikimarox2]

I could, but I don't know any off the top of my head.

Who did you have in mind?

I doubt there are many that are interested in 1-A or cultivation. I already tagged/messaged a few (@Qawsedf234, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Celestial_Pegasus, and @DarkDragonMedeus). I think that's about enough, don't think there's a need for more staff or ping since I don't know any else other than those who might talk about 1-A shenanigans.

 

[Pluto321]

I could, but I don't know any off the top of my head.

Who did you have in mind?

well i would ask ultima but he is currently busy with exams, so can you tag @Elizhaa, @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[FinePoint]

well i would ask ultima but he is currently busy with exams, so can you tag @Elizhaa, @DarkDragonMedeus

@Elizhaa

 

[Deonment]

@Elizhaa

Planck would also be another good choice, seeing as he also supports Ergen (Another 1-A CN)

 

[FinePoint]

Planck would also be another good choice, seeing as he also supports Ergen (Another 1-A CN)

@Planck69

 

[Rikimarox2]

Well, till then (thanks for the pings btw), I'll try to show what will be changed, though there are some stuff that I'm not sure how to index or whether they are anti-feats or not;

1. Wang Wei, from the Primordial Spirit key and onwards, will have Low 1-A/1-A resistances, due to screwing with Supreme and Quasi-Emperor beings.
2. All attacks that use Type 1 concepts/Dao have Low 1-A/1-A potency.
3. Pretty much everything from the next key (Supreme/Quasi-Emperor, hasn't been added yet) will be Low 1-A/1-A in potency.
4. Nothingness shenanigans are... 1-A, I guess? Idk how that works.
5. Aaaand, that's it, I guess. Mostly because idk how to index Laws, so they probably stay as 4-D or whatever?

Another question, what would we consider Fate, as? Not the Dao itself, but like Fate itself and the laws. If a character has a fated event that they can't change, what would that be rated as? This kinda extends to other things such as Time and stuff.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well, till then (thanks for the pings btw), I'll try to show what will be changed, though there are some stuff that I'm not sure how to index or whether they are anti-feats or not;

1. Wang Wei, from the Primordial Spirit key and onwards, will have Low 1-A/1-A resistances, due to screwing with Supreme and Quasi-Emperor beings.
2. All attacks that use Type 1 concepts/Dao have Low 1-A/1-A potency.
3. Pretty much everything from the next key (Supreme/Quasi-Emperor, hasn't been added yet) will be Low 1-A/1-A in potency.
4. Nothingness shenanigans are... 1-A, I guess? Idk how that works.
5. Aaaand, that's it, I guess. Mostly because idk how to index Laws, so they probably stay as 4-D or whatever?

Another question, what would we consider Fate, as? Not the Dao itself, but like Fate itself and the laws. If a character has a fated event that they can't change, what would that be rated as? This kinda extends to other things such as Time and stuff.

remember that abstract stuff that isn't 1-A dont have any sort of potency or higher resistances on its own

 

[Rikimarox2]

remember that abstract stuff that isn't 1-A dont have any sort of potency or higher resistances on its own

Eh true, still, just wanted to index it. Besides, some things can be smurf, iirc.

That said, I'm still curious about fate and those shenanigans. Would it be considered 1-A, or just Low 1-A/doesn't matter?

 

[Deonment]

4. Nothingness shenanigans are... 1-A, I guess? Idk how that works.

I do disagree with this (in specific for the NEP and stuff), mostly because it is kinda explicitly stated that they can't really use True Nothingness (actually maybe that's the thing most characters mess with when they talk about it but I'm not ******* with that), with WW nearly getting EE'd off rip by and and his NEP states explicitly belong to "tiers of nothingness" lower than True Nothingness

Another question, what would we consider Fate, as? Not the Dao itself, but like Fate itself and the laws. If a character has a fated event that they can't change, what would that be rated as? This kinda extends to other things such as Time and stuff.

Iirc, from what I remember of how we do this, it wouldn't have any innate tier by itself, so what you do is just scale it to like, the strongest character that still has one of those and their hax (which seems kinda scuffed to me but it is what it is)

 

[Pluto321]

I do disagree with this (in specific for the NEP and stuff), mostly because it is kinda explicitly stated that they can't really use True Nothingness (actually maybe that's the thing most characters mess with when they talk about it but I'm not ******* with that), with WW nearly getting EE'd off rip by and and his NEP states explicitly belong to "tiers of nothingness" lower than True Nothingness

I agree with part.

Iirc, from what I remember of how we do this, it wouldn't have any innate tier by itself, so what you do is just scale it to like, the strongest character that still has one of those and their hax (which seems kinda scuffed to me but it is what it is)

similar thoughts, i don't think events themself has tier only characters and things and I don't thing we can even scale events ever.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpty (sorry, won't be able to argue much these coming few days, I think. I think I have Moderate/Severe Esophagitis )

I do disagree with this (in specific for the NEP and stuff), mostly because it is kinda explicitly stated that they can't really use True Nothingness (actually maybe that's the thing most characters mess with when they talk about it but I'm not ******* with that), with WW nearly getting EE'd off rip by and and his NEP states explicitly belong to "tiers of nothingness" lower than True Nothingness

I don't mind not giving any tier for it, rn and assume it unusable (besides being like, NEP1, I guess). Tho I'd assume we would need another CRT for this (which I can make, like, right after this, or in the next CRT about the next key). That said, what do you think fits, then?

Currently, characters are able to destroy "voids", but aren't really able to affect WW in his NEP state, and what about aspects? IIRC, WW got his state when he was in the Primordial Spirit realm, which like, makes his body and spirit/mind/soul/emotions/yap all connected and the same.

As for True Nothingness, ye that shtick the real problem. Tho iirc, even previous versions could cause someone to get EE'd. Like, if WW tried to, say, comprehend Emptiness tier while he was in Void Shattering Realm or something, dude would get ceased.

Additionally, iirc, True Nothingness can only be used (statement) by Transcendents/Detachment cultivators (literal highest realm, above Grand Dao Eye), so maybe the TD3 fits for those at that level, idk.

On that point tho, with how much True Nothingness is glazed in the series, I'm starting to think the shenanigans they are manipulating isn't True Nothingness, probably. Tho It'd need more proof, so eh.

Iirc, from what I remember of how we do this, it wouldn't have any innate tier by itself, so what you do is just scale it to like, the strongest character that still has one of those and their hax (which seems kinda scuffed to me but it is what it is)

Ehhh its kinda weird then, since WW can give Fate Nexus with his fate law (not dao), but there are some Fate Nexus' that cannot be removed even with Fate Dao/GDS (Unless high af level, obv), so I'd assume it'd be varies, like at least "whatever", likely 1-A.

 

[ZERGESS]

1. Wang Wei, from the Primordial Spirit key and onwards, will have Low 1-A/1-A resistances, due to screwing with Supreme and Quasi-Emperor beings.

Why would it have 1-A resistances does Supreme and above realms are considered as L1A or 1A?

2. All attacks that use Type 1 concepts/Dao have Low 1-A/1-A potency.

To be specific it should be the gds which is said to possibly affect nothingness scale to Low 1A possibly 1A

3. Pretty much everything from the next key (Supreme/Quasi-Emperor, hasn't been added yet) will be Low 1-A/1-A in potency.

Iirc Primordial chaos does not qualify for Low 1A or 1A its safe to put it at L1C
The rest seems fine.

 

[Deonment]

I don't mind not giving any tier for it, rn and assume it unusable (besides being like, NEP1, I guess). Tho I'd assume we would need another CRT for this (which I can make, like, right after this, or in the next CRT about the next key). That said, what do you think fits, then?

Currently, characters are able to destroy "voids", but aren't really able to affect WW in his NEP state, and what about aspects? IIRC, WW got his state when he was in the Primordial Spirit realm, which like, makes his body and spirit/mind/soul/emotions/yap all connected and the same.

NEP on the aspects he's become in his Primordial Body Key, aka 1, 2 and 3 (maybe 5 but the other stuff is included in mind stuff), no idea on the type, i think 1 or 2 could work honestly, I'll leave that up to you honestly, just do it without the Wuji stuff, being unable to affect someone despite being able to affect voids isn't enough for NEP 2 by our standards, would just be layered intang/NEP 1, I would honestly be fine with arguing that Intang is NEP 1, Void is NEP 2, Emptiness is further NEP 2 and True Nothingness is 2 "layers" into NEP 2

As for True Nothingness, ye that shtick the real problem. Tho iirc, even previous versions could cause someone to get EE'd. Like, if WW tried to, say, comprehend Emptiness tier while he was in Void Shattering Realm or something, dude would get ceased.

Additionally, iirc, True Nothingness can only be used (statement) by Transcendents/Detachment cultivators (literal highest realm, above Grand Dao Eye), so maybe the TD3 fits for those at that level, idk.

Honestly, it could potentially fit at the Void level, considering it's explicitly stated that the Wuji Dao can send someone directly into the Void realm, and that the properties of the Wuji Law/Dao (which does include the ND stuff) are applicable to the stages/concept of nothingness in general

Ehhh its kinda weird then, since WW can give Fate Nexus with his fate law (not dao), but there are some Fate Nexus' that cannot be removed even with Fate Dao/GDS (Unless high af level, obv), so I'd assume it'd be varies, like at least "whatever", likely 1-A.

Yeah, that's prolly the best for it

 

[Rikimarox2]

NEP on the aspects he's become in his Primordial Body Key, aka 1, 2 and 3 (maybe 5 but the other stuff is included in mind stuff), no idea on the type, i think 1 or 2 could work honestly, I'll leave that up to you honestly, just do it without the Wuji stuff, being unable to affect someone despite being able to affect voids isn't enough for NEP 2 by our standards, would just be layered intang/NEP 1, I would honestly be fine with arguing that Intang is NEP 1, Void is NEP 2, Emptiness is further NEP 2 and True Nothingness is 2 "layers" into NEP 2

I wouldn't mind that, honestly. I could go with Intang being "Type 1, likely Type 2" or just Type 1 if that fits better, and make other subsequent tiers Type 2. This'll affect Primordial Spirit and above, till he reaches Quasi-Emperor/Emperor Realm, methink.

Honestly, it could potentially fit at the Void level, considering it's explicitly stated that the Wuji Dao can send someone directly into the Void realm, and that the properties of the Wuji Law/Dao (which does include the ND stuff) are applicable to the stages/concept of nothingness in general

Sounds good then, ND3 would probably fit for the Emperor Realm then. Tho small note, since Emperor Class and above are pretty much AE1 of their concept, ie a part of it (WW being a part of the Fate GDS/Dao), then NEP at that stage would include all aspects, correct (Aspect 4 because Laws are pretty much info type 2 as well. Aspect type 5 mostly because of the whole time, space, etc... shenanigans)?

 

[Deonment]

Sounds good then, ND3 would probably fit for the Emperor Realm then. Tho small note, since Emperor Class and above are pretty much AE1 of their concept, ie a part of it (WW being a part of the Fate GDS/Dao), then NEP at that stage would include all aspects, correct (Aspect 4 because Laws are pretty much info type 2 as well. Aspect type 5 mostly because of the whole time, space, etc... shenanigans)?

Yeah

I wouldn't mind that, honestly. I could go with Intang being "Type 1, likely Type 2" or just Type 1 if that fits better, and make other subsequent tiers Type 2. This'll affect Primordial Spirit and above, till he reaches Quasi-Emperor/Emperor Realm, methink.

Personally I'm fine with either, but if i had to lean toward one I would say the latter

 

[ZERGESS]

Can you do a summary why Primordial Chaos, chaos, gds and the like are rated as they are?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Personally I'm fine with either, but if i had to lean toward one I would say the latter

Alright, I don't mind either, so I guess I just need some comments to see which type is more favorable here. Though I'm not sure if here is enough. I'd likely turn the NEP to type 1 for now (Due to Wuji and Nothingness being much more high tiered), and then just make a CRT right after this to see if type 2 could stay or not.

 

[ZERGESS]

There is a lot of inconsistency with the proposal
In the evidence presented Dao/Tao give birth to Primordial Chaos, so why would gds come from Primordial Chaos?
There are even statements Dao came from Chaos which is obviously not true There is a lot of fallacy on the evidence you presented?

Can you do a summary why Primordial Chaos, chaos, gds and the like are rated as they are?

Can you do a summary on this?

 

[Rikimarox2]

There is a lot of inconsistency with the proposal
In the evidence presented Dao/Tao give birth to Primordial Chaos, so why would gds come from Primordial Chaos?

I should've probably changed that, but iirc, what is currently hypothesized is that this "Tao" is the Wuji/Nothingness, iirc, and not just some random "Dao", and that's especially consistent given the fact that Primordial Chaos was one of the first constructs that was first created, even before GDS iirc (with the exception of a few, such as Fate, iirc)

There are even statements Dao came from Chaos which is obviously not true There is a lot of fallacy on the evidence you presented?

Welcome to JFDE. Where shit gets contradicted a lot. That said, there are plenty of statements about how all daos originated from Chaos, and all those shenanigans.

Though, even then, even if you ignore the whole "origin" and shenanigans, Primordial Chaos HAS to be 1-A if you think GDS are 1-A, since it is, well, one of the first Grand Constructs, along with River of Fate, Time, and GDS;

Grand Constructs, also named Grand Framework, is not a major secret to Paragons, so Time Eater knows them. It is what people of their level referred to when speaking about the Grand Dao Source, the River of Fate, the River of Time, Samsara, the Source Qi Space, and Primordial Chaos. Things like Heavenly Dao, Normal, and Source Chaos Worlds, Spirit Qi between Heaven and Earth, branches of Samsara of the Rivers of Fate and Time, are considered Minor Frameworks. ~ Ch. 1481

Can you do a summary on this?

Sure;

Low 1-A -> Daos being the source of Laws (Type 2 concept) and being above them entirely, of which there are countless laws, ie a law for every single thing, which would include Time and Space. Had something to do with the Tiering System revision iirc, where stuff like these now can get up to Low 1-A. Kinda makes sense when you think about it, considering all the "dimensional layers" and "high-dimensional world of strings" and all those nonsense the characters can create, with there not really being a limit and stuff.

1-A -> Multiple things.
1st; Supreme Daos Shenanigans, such as Fate Dao being above Time and other daos (such as when a character gets their timeline erased, they still exist in the River of Time, with direct statements of "Fate surpasses Time", and the whole "Time, Space, etc...." are just a subset of the Fate Dao. You probably don't agree with this, tho, since u had a problem with Supreme Daos iirc.

2nd; Grand Dao Sources. They are beyond pretty much everything, being the origin of all Daos and Laws/Concepts, which would already include Supreme Daos, with everything else pretty much being suppressed by it. That's 1 layer, iirc. Though even if you don't agree with Supreme Shenanigans, GDS would still be 1-A due to Nothingness/Primordial Chaos, and being above Daos and shenanigans.

3rd; Primordial Chaos. You disagreed with this, but basically, majority agree that Primordial Chaos is the origin of all Daos, which would include Grand Dao Source (I'm not gonna lie to you, but the later chapters of the novel make the whole shtick between, well, everything about Chaos and GDS, and Fate, pretty weird, but let's stay on-course for now). Though it'd be the same level as GDS, and is one of the Grand Constructs, so.

4th; Nothingness; Came before Primordial Chaos, before pretty much everything (with later chapter alluding to the fact it might have existed even prior to the Grand Dao. Not sources, but Grand Dao itself), and was the origin of everything. GDS can affect those, albeit limited. So Nothingness would just be higher into the hierarchy. Although chances are, it might get FAR higher later on, if I make another Cosmology CRT once I finish the later chapters of the novel and reread some stuff, since, well, some stuff is very weird rn.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Sure;

Low 1-A -> Daos being the source of Laws (Type 2 concept) and being above them entirely, of which there are countless laws, ie a law for every single thing, which would include Time and Space. Had something to do with the Tiering System revision iirc, where stuff like these now can get up to Low 1-A. Kinda makes sense when you think about it, considering all the "dimensional layers" and "high-dimensional world of strings" and all those nonsense the characters can create, with there not really being a limit and stuff.

1-A -> Multiple things.
1st; Supreme Daos Shenanigans, such as Fate Dao being above Time and other daos (such as when a character gets their timeline erased, they still exist in the River of Time, with direct statements of "Fate surpasses Time", and the whole "Time, Space, etc...." are just a subset of the Fate Dao. You probably don't agree with this, tho, since u had a problem with Supreme Daos iirc.

2nd; Grand Dao Sources. They are beyond pretty much everything, being the origin of all Daos and Laws/Concepts, which would already include Supreme Daos, with everything else pretty much being suppressed by it. That's 1 layer, iirc. Though even if you don't agree with Supreme Shenanigans, GDS would still be 1-A due to Nothingness/Primordial Chaos, and being above Daos and shenanigans.

3rd; Primordial Chaos. You disagreed with this, but basically, majority agree that Primordial Chaos is the origin of all Daos, which would include Grand Dao Source (I'm not gonna lie to you, but the later chapters of the novel make the whole shtick between, well, everything about Chaos and GDS, and Fate, pretty weird, but let's stay on-course for now). Though it'd be the same level as GDS, and is one of the Grand Constructs, so.

4th; Nothingness; Came before Primordial Chaos, before pretty much everything (with later chapter alluding to the fact it might have existed even prior to the Grand Dao. Not sources, but Grand Dao itself), and was the origin of everything. GDS can affect those, albeit limited. So Nothingness would just be higher into the hierarchy. Although chances are, it might get FAR higher later on, if I make another Cosmology CRT once I finish the later chapters of the novel and reread some stuff, since, well, some stuff is very weird rn.

Based on the op and this summary, this looks fine to me.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Holy shit, thank god!

I think that's about it, we got enough agreements. I'll likely just, link the blog to WW's profile for now, till I make a verse page anyways. Then make the changes stated in the OP, and change his NEP to type 1, for now.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Aaaand everything has been applied. I believe this thread can be closed now. If there are some problems that I've missed or applied some stuff incorrectly, feel free to either reply here if the thread hasn't been closed, or preferably, go to my message wall, or general thread of the verse.

Additionally, I'll likely make another CRT soon for the NEP of Wang Wei. Though for now, It is just Type 1, with Aspect 1, 2, and 3.

 

[Pluto321]

Aaaand everything has been applied. I believe this thread can be closed now. If there are some problems that I've missed or applied some stuff incorrectly, feel free to either reply here if the thread hasn't been closed, or preferably, go to my message wall, or general thread of the verse.

Additionally, I'll likely make another CRT soon for the NEP of Wang Wei. Though for now, It is just Type 1, with Aspect 1, 2, and 3.

looks good but create blog why dao and others are low 1A and 1A because read 4 page of crt is a hustle tbh and create a general series page also and link different crt/blogs to it so people can easily find things in future.

 

[Rikimarox2]

looks good but create blog why dao and others are low 1A and 1A because read 4 page of crt is a hustle tbh and create a general series page also and link different crt/blogs to it so people can easily find things in future.

Will make all of those soon, altho the Dao and shenanigans could probably be just linked to the Cosmology blog itself, since they are tied in a way. I'll likely just add Deon's points in the OP with some additional rewording and be done with it. The verse page, will likely come soon.