Wang Wei: New Saint Realm Key

[Rikimarox2]

Welp, took quite a while due to University and exams and stuff, but might as well go with it.

Honestly, it ain't really that much, just a few extra abilities, and H3A AP, and more layers, duh. I doubt it'd be controversial, but let's see.

Here is the current profile.

Here is the new profile after the addition. (Just check the last key, and that's it, really)

What has been added​

AP:​

"At least High Universe level (Could easily replicate creating an infinite amount of dimensions that are collapsing onto each other), far higher via Incarnations, likely Low Multiverse level (Should be unfathomably superior to his previous self)." Rather simple, dude could create Infinite Dimensions, withstand them, and fodderize the person who first created the dimension.

Speed:​

Possibly Immeasurable (From the Void Shattering Realm, Cultivators become 4th-dimensional creatures, and are supposed to not see time linearly, but they do simply due to the rules of the world. Saint Realm Cultivators, such as Shi Ruolan, stated that she cannot escape Time and Space- at least, not the one Chu Luo controls, implying that they can escape from conventional Time-Space, and Wang Wei is far stronger than both of them)

Abilities:​

Just check the PnA of the Saint Realm section bro

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Intelligence:​

Bit doubtful about this one, but meh;
Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius (Far superior to before, and could move, react, and think at Infinite Speed. Managed to comprehend eons of combat in mere years, compared to other Heaven Chosens. Additionally, his comprehension of the Space Dao is so high that he could easily create an infinite amount of dimensions that are collapsing onto each other)

Really not sure how Supergenius is exactly measured, but I'd say being able to bring down an entire Universe (that contains other universes) into ruins, trick the entire civilization, and then have such a high comprehension of the Space Dao/Concept that you'd be able to easily replicate the creation of an infinite amount of dimensions with a single glance, I'd say that qualifies for Supergenius, ngl.

TL;DR (?)​

Can't really give you a summary of the abilities, you gotta check it yourself. As for AP, it's High 3-A due to infinite dimensions, Immeasurable speed due to being 4th dimensional, and implication of escaping space-time, and Supergenius rating for replicating an infinite amount of dimensions, and bring entire universes to ruins in mere days.

 

[Pluto321]

Agree with everything but not sure on supergenius intelligence, waiting for someone with more knowledge.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Added some new stuff and clarified other stuff, like Domains being enhanced Law/Concept/Info shenanigans, as well as reality warping due to bending reality at will.

Also, wanna see if this can get accepted, but added Immeasurable Speed as well. Rules of the verse is funky as hell, with actual dimensional layering stuff not being a thing (not as in, the author didn't add them, but the supreme being in the verse hasn't added them yet, direct statement), and there are implications of characters escaping Space-Time, depending on the level of their opponent. Nevermind the fact that they can open the literal River of Time (timeline) and see stuff in it and change as well

 

[Pluto321]

Immeasurable

I am not sure if i can agree with this but netural currently.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpty.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Possibly Immeasurable (From the Void Shattering Realm, Cultivators become 4th-dimensional creatures, and are supposed to not see time linearly, but they do simply due to the rules of the world

Being 4th dimensional is unrelated to speed. Not seeing time linearly is acausality without further context.

Saint Realm Cultivators, such as Shi Ruolan, stated that she cannot escape Time and Space- at least, not the one Chu Luo controls, implying that they can escape from conventional Time-Space, and Wang Wei is far stronger than both of them)

The context suggests that the character is escaping space-time by warping reality (which is also indicated by the "teleport" statement). The scan has a one-off "outrun" mention but given the context I dont think it's enough to assume speed ("Outrun" can also be used in the sense of just escaping, not necessarily speed-related). More evidence is needed in my opinion.

The rest of the OP looks fine.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Being 4th dimensional is unrelated to speed. Not seeing time linearly is acausality without further context.

The context suggests that the character is escaping space-time by warping reality (which is also indicated by the "teleport" statement). The scan has a one-off "outrun" mention but given the context I dont think it's enough to assume speed ("Outrun" can also be used in the sense of just escaping, not necessarily speed-related). More evidence is needed in my opinion.

The rest of the OP looks fine.

Worth a shot, I guess no immeasurable speed till later stages. That said, what kind of Acausality would that grant? Acausality type 4?

Also, thanks for the reply!

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

That said, what kind of Acausality would that grant? Acausality type 4?

Yeah.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Curse Manipulation (Put a curse on the very concept of "Heel", causing any knockoffs of it to catch fire and self-destruct

Better to add more context to the knockoff lol

Curse Manipulation (Put a curse on the very concept of "Heel", causing any knockoffs of his heel product to catch fire and self-destruct

 

[Rikimarox2]

Better to add more context to the knockoff lol

Yeah probably should've clarified it more, I'll add this soon.

Tho I assume you are fine with the other additions (Except immeasurable)?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Yeah probably should've clarified it more, I'll add this soon.

Tho I assume you are fine with the other additions (Except immeasurable)?

Yeah man, Immeasurable doesn't really hold.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Was worth a shot with how ****** the time shenanigans and rules of the verse are

Anyways, with oblivion vote, I think we need only one more staff hopefully.

 

[ZERGESS]

It does qualify for H3A after double checking it
As for imme thing it is just within her domain furthermore her outrunning space and time is just via teleportation within her domain and being 4th d has nothing to do with imme

 

[Deonment]

AP:​

"At least High Universe level (Could easily replicate creating an infinite amount of dimensions that are collapsing onto each other), far higher via Incarnations, likely Low Multiverse level (Should be unfathomably superior to his previous self)." Rather simple, dude could create Infinite Dimensions, withstand them, and fodderize the person who first created the dimension.

Are you arguing these dimensions are just 3D in extent, because otherwise this would just be 2-A for the high end
Unless you're arguing these dimensions are like spatial layer stuff

Speed:​

Possibly Immeasurable (From the Void Shattering Realm, Cultivators become 4th-dimensional creatures, and are supposed to not see time linearly, but they do simply due to the rules of the world. Saint Realm Cultivators, such as Shi Ruolan, stated that she cannot escape Time and Space- at least, not the one Chu Luo controls, implying that they can escape from conventional Time-Space, and Wang Wei is far stronger than both of them)

My thoughts on this are the same as others, and statement of escaping/outrunning space and time reads more like actually just leaving said space-time, so it wouldn't be a speed feat anyways (unfortunately for you, this isn't bending)

Abilities

Enhanced Fate Manipulation (Could control the genetic and molecular structure of everyone, and their personalities, actions, etc... and the molecules of the air they breathe, even a few billions years into the future)

This doesn't really seem all too enhanced compared to what feats hes shown in previous keys (ie manipulating fate to stop someone from being erased from history, etc), so I don't think this is exactly needed in this key, or if you are, include his other usages of fate manip under it as sub bulletpoints (or if im explaining it horribly)

• Fate Manip
  • Fate Manip sub powers

For a visual

Chaos Manipulation (Entropy; By simply stating "Death", he can decay the body of cultivators, with their vitality diminishing rapidly)

Wouldn't exactly call this Chaos Manip than just more usage of life/death manip

Unconventional Resistance to Power Nullification, Power Mimicry, and Power Modification (He imbued his Divine Altar with Nothingness, achieving a state of intangibility like his activation of Nothingness State[151])

This isn't exactly unconventional resistance, and I would moreso index this as limited NEP for specifically his Divine Altar

Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius (Far superior to before, and could move, react, and think at Infinite Speed. Managed to comprehend eons of combat in mere years, compared to other Heaven Chosens. Additionally, his comprehension of the Space Dao is so high that he could easily create an infinite amount of dimensions that are collapsing onto each other)

Really not sure how Supergenius is exactly measured, but I'd say being able to bring down an entire Universe (that contains other universes) into ruins, trick the entire civilization, and then have such a high comprehension of the Space Dao/Concept that you'd be able to easily replicate the creation of an infinite amount of dimensions with a single glance, I'd say that qualifies for Supergenius, ngl.

I don't think this qualifies sadly. Entirely because our Supergenius standards are scuffed

 

[Rikimarox2]

Are you arguing these dimensions are just 3D in extent, because otherwise this would just be 2-A for the high end
Unless you're arguing these dimensions are like spatial layer stuff

IIRC, we don't really have any mention of their actual size, and only Space Dao stuff were mentioned, instead of Space-Time (albeit Time and Space aren't that connected, kind of, in this verse compared to other verses, as there was a direct statement that they are separate things compared to science worlds, which is just Space-Time).

So, I just went with H3A. I don't think it's likely that it's 2-A (although this is the realm where they breach the infinity stuff), since in a much stronger state (Next key), he only could make countless space-times. Tho then again, dimensional stuff is wacky in this series, and there are some space-time that contains other space-time, but I think H3A is the safest option for now.

My thoughts on this are the same as others, and statement of escaping/outrunning space and time reads more like actually just leaving said space-time, so it wouldn't be a speed feat anyways (unfortunately for you, this isn't bending)

I'll just accept infinite stuff then, rip.

This doesn't really seem all too enhanced compared to what feats hes shown in previous keys (ie manipulating fate to stop someone from being erased from history, etc), so I don't think this is exactly needed in this key, or if you are, include his other usages of fate manip under it as sub bulletpoints (or if im explaining it horribly)

For a visual

Its moreso because of how precise his stuff is, as he can exactly manipulate pretty much everything a few billion years into the future, but tho I can see why it might not be as impressive. Although the series did hype it up quite a bit tho

Honestly, I'm planning on just- making a huge blog to index his feats and all the applications of his abilities, as some of the abilities on his page don't do him justice and are only showing 1 or 2 applications of it.

There's kinda already a blog for it (god bless @Lysairth), tho it's not on the wiki, and not every application is indexed, so eh.

I can remove it, or just put it in a blog and show it to people if they ask for feats or smth.

Wouldn't exactly call this Chaos Manip than just more usage of life/death manip

Very well. I'll change it later, since even I was a bit unsure about it. Tho It'll likely just, be deleted since he already has Life/Death stuff in his previous keys.

This isn't exactly unconventional resistance, and I would moreso index this as limited NEP for specifically his Divine Altar

Yeah wasn't really sure on how to index it, since it specifically targets his powers. If people think Limited NEP is good for it, I don't mind just changing it.

I don't think this qualifies sadly. Entirely because our Supergenius standards are scuffed

Man

What could qualify for Supergenius then, other than making machines that warp reality? I assume something like processing infinite amount of information or smth, but couldn't that just be done with Infinite speed?

 

[Pluto321]

processing infinite amount of information or smth

the only example i can think would be creating dao world from ttp (i am not sure 100% also), because dao worlds are low 1A construct with 3000 type 2 concepts and 7 type 1 concepts ( 6 for peak great dao supreme/ half creator).

 

[ZERGESS]

the only example i can think would be creating dao world from ttp (i am not sure 100% also), because dao worlds are low 1A construct with 3000 type 2 concepts and 7 type 1 concepts ( 6 for peak great dao supreme/ half creator).

You should be talking about top tier providence
Can you explain why they are low 1a construct

 

[Pluto321]

You should be talking about top tier providence
Can you explain why they are low 1a construct

i don't mind but do you have discord it would easy on it ?

 

[ZERGESS]

i don't mind but do you have discord it would easy on it ?

I uninstalled it long ago

 

[Deonment]

What could qualify for Supergenius then, other than making machines that warp reality? I assume something like processing infinite amount of information or smth, but couldn't that just be done with Infinite speed?

It is basically just that to my knowledge.
I have a verse where people figured out like, time travel to infinite alternate timelines past and future, and actively take knowledge and tech from their future variants (who then in the now new future have even better tech and knowledge), in addition to other crazy ass feats and I'm not sure on them being supergenius until they reach tier 1

 

[Pluto321]

I uninstalled it long ago

then it would hard because i have not created blog and i have screenshot only currently, so you might have wait for long because currently me and Rikimarox2 are discussing to add ttp verse on here but when no idea

 

[Catzlaflame]

Same stance on the speed as Oblivion

For what you have under “Resistance Manip” just put that under Resistances lol.

Neutral on size manip. That’s pretty odd imo, reducing the size of a soul? Ig it could work? But size is generally a physical thing and all.

Disagree with immortality negation. The scan says he altered the character’s fate to not have death immunity in the first place; this is different from actually negating the death immunity. Like imagine if a character was resistant to fire. Fire resistance negation would be me still managing to burn them. If I alter their fate to make them not immune to fire, and then burn them, it wouldn’t be countering the resistance.

Yea our intelligence standards are high key dumb

Rest seems ok at a very quick glance through.

 

[Rikimarox2]

For what you have under “Resistance Manip” just put that under Resistances lol.

Thing is, it isn't just giving himself resistances, but changes the resistances of others, that's why I put it in PnA

Neutral on size manip. That’s pretty odd imo, reducing the size of a soul? Ig it could work? But size is generally a physical thing and all.

Ye the verse is pretty weird with it. I mean, one time they just time-- actually physical thing with matter and mass and stuff, and changed its size. The verse is pretty nuts, but I think it should qualify, methink.

Disagree with immortality negation. The scan says he altered the character’s fate to not have death immunity in the first place; this is different from actually negating the death immunity. Like imagine if a character was resistant to fire. Fire resistance negation would be me still managing to burn them. If I alter their fate to make them not immune to fire, and then burn them, it wouldn’t be countering the resistance.

Noted. Tho for a future CRT, I assume punching literal resistances away (like, literally punching an immunity a character has, therefore making them not immune) would qualify as resistance negation? Not as if the immunity is an actual object or something, but just a literal immunity.

Yea our intelligence standards are high key dumb

I can tell, because wow.

Rest seems ok at a very quick glance through.

Noted, thanks for the reply!

I think that's about 2 staff agreements. I'll remove the things that were disagreed with;

• Immortality negation
• Immeasurable speed
• Supergenius intelligence
• Make the unconventional resistance just limited NEP/ND instead.

I think that's about it, ye?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Alrighty, I've applied the CRT.

One thing to mention; I made the Immortality Negation VIA Fate Manipulation, since that's how it worked. If people want the entire Immo negation removed, I have no problem removing it rn. Honestly I mostly kept it since it was like the first reference to a specific chapter, and would screw up other references, I think.

Anyways, I think that's about it? I removed Imme speed, Supergenius speed as well, clarified the curse stuff, and moved the resistance stuff to the PnA as NEP/ND. If there's anything missing, or seems wrong, or was rejected and I have missed it, please do tell. Otherwise, I think we're kinda done here.

 

[Pluto321]

missing

Superhuman Characteristics and you forgot to remove possibly Immeasurable Speed from Speed Section and where are keys for body refining and divine sea realm I don't see them on profile. Other than that everything looks good.

 

[FinePoint]

AP:​

"At least High Universe level (Could easily replicate creating an infinite amount of dimensions that are collapsing onto each other),

It's not often I say this in favor of an upgrade, but I don't think this really supports High 3-A. It sounds far more like 2-A.
Is there context I'm missing?

Speed:​

Possibly Immeasurable (From the Void Shattering Realm, Cultivators become 4th-dimensional creatures, and are supposed to not see time linearly, but they do simply due to the rules of the world. Saint Realm Cultivators, such as Shi Ruolan, stated that she cannot escape Time and Space- at least, not the one Chu Luo controls, implying that they can escape from conventional Time-Space, and Wang Wei is far stronger than both of them)

Needs feats, otherwise we have an ability for simply being vaguely higher-dimensional.

Intelligence:​

Bit doubtful about this one, but meh;
Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius (Far superior to before, and could move, react, and think at Infinite Speed. Managed to comprehend eons of combat in mere years, compared to other Heaven Chosens. Additionally, his comprehension of the Space Dao is so high that he could easily create an infinite amount of dimensions that are collapsing onto each other)

Really not sure how Supergenius is exactly measured, but I'd say being able to bring down an entire Universe (that contains other universes) into ruins, trick the entire civilization, and then have such a high comprehension of the Space Dao/Concept that you'd be able to easily replicate the creation of an infinite amount of dimensions with a single glance, I'd say that qualifies for Supergenius, ngl.

Scans?

Resistance Negation and Immortality Negation (Type 5; Bypassed the Samsara's Emperor's Death Immunity, causing him to die despite being deathless

How is this Resistance Negation?

Greatly Enhanced Supernatural Willpower (Could defy death, even when his [Existence] was erased, with [Existence] containing everything about the person, including past, present, future, Dao, soul, etc..

Why is this Supernatural Willpower specifically rather than resistance to Death Manipulation and/or Existence Erasure?

Resistance Manipulation (With Order Law, Wang Wei can grant himself immunities to things such as Chaos Fire and Thunder<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rikimarox2/wang#cite_note-:77-142"><span>[</span>142<span>]</span></a>)

That's not an ability. Power Bestowal should cover it.

Unconventional Resistance to Power Nullification, Power Mimicry, and Power Modification (He imbued his Divine Altar with Nothingness, achieving a state of intangibility like his activation of Nothingness State

Needs more elaboration on why this is resistance to these particular abilities.

Everything else seems fine.

 

[Pluto321]

missing

Yes, they are just infinite space dimensions only not infinite space-time continuums that are needed for 2A scaling that is why it is High 3A only.

feats

True, that is why @Rikimarox2 the op has not add Immeasurable Speed because of the lack of proper feats.

Scans

The op thought that Wang Wei creating Infinite Space Dimensions with Comprehension of Space Dao i.e. is a type 1 Concept that proven before might enough for Supergenius Intelligence Rating before but every has disagree with that.

As for other things i would let @Rikimarox2 explain because them i can't recall them properly right now.

 

[Rikimarox2]

It's not often I say this in favor of an upgrade, but I don't think this really supports High 3-A. It sounds far more like 2-A.
Is there context I'm missing?

No mentions of Time when it comes to the destruction, and only Space Dao (Concept of Space) was mentioned in order to create it, so I just sticked with High 3-A. Not to mention, in a later stage when he's stronger, he only made countless space-times (albeit he was injured, and it was specifically stated that he was injured/weakened that's why it was weak), and although the universes in this world contain many universes inside, I thought High 3-A was the safest option here.

Needs feats, otherwise we have an ability for simply being vaguely higher-dimensional.

Yeah, I removed them.

Scans?

Majority of the things stated are already in a previous key, with scans. The only thing that wasn't linked was the Infinite Dimensions stuff, which was the AP feat.

Mb with the formatting and linking, I should've probably linked them. That said, Supergenius was already rejected, and he already has Extraordinary Genius in a previous key, so this section doesn't really mean anything.

How is this Resistance Negation?

Changed it to Immortality Negation via Fate Manipulation, and removed resistance negation.

Why is this Supernatural Willpower specifically rather than resistance to Death Manipulation and/or Existence Erasure?

Because he didn't really resist either, he still got destroyed effortlessly, by still existed, somewhat, in a non-existent state due to willpower alone.

That's not an ability. Power Bestowal should cover it.

I can link it to Power Bestowal, no problem. Though the thing is, it changes both him and his opponent, and can grant or remove abilities or resistances, so I was just kinda stuck on it.

Needs more elaboration on why this is resistance to these particular abilities.

In previous keys, Divine Altar is kinda of the source of majority of his powers, so I just linked anything that can affect his powers specifically. That said, I already changed it and put it as "Limited NEP" in his PnA, instead of just resistances.

Everything else seems fine.

Thanks for the input!

Superhuman Characteristics and you forgot to remove possibly Immeasurable Speed from Speed Section and where are keys for body refining and divine sea realm I don't see them on profile. Other than that everything looks good.

Superhuman Characteristics should probably be in the Divine Altar state, and I removed the immeasurable speed. As for Body Refining and Divine Sea realm, I didn't think they had much to them, as they are just like what, 5-10 chapters for each of the realms? So I didn't think it warranted their own keys, and just combined them with the Divine Altar key.

 

[ZERGESS]

BTW how did he get L2C?

 

[Rikimarox2]

BTW how did he get L2C?

Can't believe I missed that, it's supposed to be 2-C instead of Low 2-C, as shown by the AP section and other stuff as well. Gonna change it rn.

 

[ZERGESS]

Can't believe I missed that, it's supposed to be 2-C instead of Low 2-C, as shown by the AP section and other stuff as well. Gonna change it rn

if I'm tripping it should be because of being able to slap his previous self to oblivion which obviously doesn't come close to L2C let alone 2C unless there are other basis

 

[Rikimarox2]

if I'm tripping it should be because of being able to slap his previous self to oblivion which obviously doesn't come close to L2C let alone 2C unless there are other basis

You're talking about Divine Body Realm, right?

It's mostly because of him easily sluaghtering Saint Realm cultivators, with even Void Shattering Realm cultivators being able to destroy Middle Thousand Worlds (IIRC), and his grandfather stating that his attack, which was at a Void Shattering Realm, was supposed to fundamentally shake the Heavenly Abode Realm (with the barrier being the reason nothing happened), which contains 36 universes. His statement kinda cements the fact that, even though Heavenly Abode Realm is huge as shit, it still wouldn't have mattered.

Admittedly, it's a bit iffy as it stands, and I'm planning on making a cosmology blog and a few revisions to the AP stuff later down the line. Kinda need to see how MTW stuff gets accepted. Divine Body Realm's AP might change later on.