Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor: Cosmology blog, and likely 1-A

[ZERGESS]

That's fine. If this gets accepted you can make a downgrade thread that's all about your point of it not being a universe. Someone will evaluate it and that will be it.

There really no need to downgrade it as it would get accepted as Low1A the tier below it is just a bit lousy

 

[Orioreeem]

There really no need to downgrade it as it would get accepted as Low1A the tier below it is just a bit lousy

Well you are arguing for that tier below right now. The tier of it will scale to wang wei so it's pretty important.

 

[ZERGESS]

Well you are arguing for that tier below right now. The tier of it will scale to wang wei so it's pretty important.

Nah, being accepted as tier L1A which is the safest option(maybe even 1A) here is more important than that but his rating below it are pretty inconsistent

 

[Orioreeem]

Nah, being accepted as tier L1A which is the safest option(maybe even 1A) here is more important than that but his rating below it are pretty inconsistent

If they are inconsistent just male a downgrade thread for them

 

[Rikimarox2]

Nah, being accepted as tier L1A which is the safest option(maybe even 1A) here is more important than that but his rating below it are pretty inconsistent

Majority of people agree with the Lower Stuff for now. Ngl m8, you are clogging up the thread with the amount of multi-posting, so if you have a problem with the ratings, why not come to my Message Wall to argue? I don't want this thread to be 10 pages, imma be honest with you.

 

[ZERGESS]

If they are inconsistent just male a downgrade thread for them

Though there's a lot I can downgrade in the verse but it needs a lot of work which is not I'm willing to do, and it not really downgrade it since wang wei can still retain L1A rating

 

[ZERGESS]

Majority of people agree with the Lower Stuff for now. Ngl m8, you are clogging up the thread with the amount of multi-posting, so if you have a problem with the ratings, why not come to my Message Wall to argue? I don't want this thread to be 10 pages, imma be honest with you.

Sending it here seems more appropriate

 

[ZERGESS]

Majority of people agree with the Lower Stuff for now. Ngl m8, you are clogging up the thread with the amount of multi-posting, so if you have a problem with the ratings, why not come to my Message Wall to argue? I don't want this thread to be 10 pages, imma be honest with you.

Anyways where did the Supreme gds came from?

 

[Orioreeem]

Sending it here seems more appropriate

There is disscusion thread for anything you are concerned about, best to not clog this thread anymore and wait for stuff. Less pages more likely are they to evaluate it and again you can make a downgrade thread later if you want to

 

[Rikimarox2]

Anyways where did the Supreme gds came from?

...How do you think Supreme Daos stay supreme when it comes to GDS? Do you think they just don't evolve?

Supreme Daos are above Normal Daos. That, we got it, cool?

Now if a Dao turned into/sublimated/whatever Grand Dao Source, it'll destroy anything that is just Dao. So, GDS > Supreme (normal) Daos.

Now, Supreme Daos turned/sublimated/whatever Grand Dao Source. So they are at the level of GDS, therefore Supreme Daos (GDS) > Daos (GDS).

It's not an official term, since the verse keeps talking in terms of Daos, even if they are in relation to GDS.

Additionally, brother I said it a million times, but please stop multi-posting. That shit is against the rules (iirc), and it's really clogging up the thread. How do you want a staff to evaluate the thread if you have a billion posts?

Edit: Oh, and for Chaos;

Greater Chaos is the embodiment of all Daos

After all, Chaos is the embodiment of everything that was and ever will be, it is the Origin of Daos. It can be everything or nothing at all. - Ch. 262

Primordial Chaos is the origin of all things and lives in the universe. According to the natural evolution of the Chaos Universe, it is one of the first things that came into existence. So, what will happen if it dies? Xu Shi had this question and used her Chaos and Death Subdaos to find the answer.

So, once Primordial Chaos dies, returning to a state before it existed or was created, the only thing remaining is [Nothingness]. Primordial Chaos was created from a state of nothingness; the universe's birth is a process from nothing to something, from nonexistent to existence, and from imaginary to real. - Ch. 1121

 

[ZERGESS]

There is disscusion thread for anything you are concerned about, best to not clog this thread

anyways the only thing that I don't agree is the 2C rating, Low1C and Low1A seems agreeable enough and yeah Idk why you guys keep saying I disagree with everything

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Strictly speaking Primordial Laws or maybe even law and innate laws came from Primal Chaos but definitely not the gds,
There is a thing in the verse where one is a Primordial lifeform and the darling of the Primordial Chaos as they can roam it however they want so yeah I don't think they all came from the same source

@Rikimarox2 could you explain this?

 

[ZERGESS]

...How do you think Supreme Daos stay supreme when it comes to GDS? Do you think they just don't evolve?

Supreme Daos are above Normal Daos. That, we got it, cool?

Now if a Dao turned into/sublimated/whatever Grand Dao Source, it'll destroy anything that is just Dao. So, GDS > Supreme (normal) Daos.

Now, Supreme Daos turned/sublimated/whatever Grand Dao Source. So they are at the level of GDS, therefore Supreme Daos (GDS) > Daos (GDS).

It's not an official term, since the verse keeps talking in terms of Daos, even if they are in relation to GDS.

Additionally, brother I said it a million times, but please stop multi-posting. That shit is against the rules (iirc), and it's really clogging up the thread. How do you want a staff to evaluate the thread if you have a billion posts?

Those are just your pure assumptions or imagination(which literallyholds no value or whatsoever); there is no explicit statement or anything shown by feat that a Supreme gds is above a normal gds

 

[ZERGESS]

@Rikimarox2 could you explain this?

There is Primordial lifeform, which came from Primordial Chaos, and there is innate lifeforms and user of gds, and they are on balance with each other, the thing I'm sure of is that gds didn't came from Primordial Chaos

 

[Rikimarox2]

@Rikimarox2 could you explain this?

We do know Primordial Laws came from Chaos, no shock here. But there's not a single statement mentioning GDS or Daos not being born from it, especially when there are statements like;

Greater Chaos is the embodiment of all Daos

After all, Chaos is the embodiment of everything that was and ever will be, it is the Origin of Daos. It can be everything or nothing at all. - Ch. 262

Primordial Chaos is the origin of all things and lives in the universe. According to the natural evolution of the Chaos Universe, it is one of the first things that came into existence. So, what will happen if it dies? Xu Shi had this question and used her Chaos and Death Subdaos to find the answer.

So, once Primordial Chaos dies, returning to a state before it existed or was created, the only thing remaining is [Nothingness]. Primordial Chaos was created from a state of nothingness; the universe's birth is a process from nothing to something, from nonexistent to existence, and from imaginary to real. - Ch. 1121

Those are just your pure assumptions or imagination(which literallyholds no value or whatsoever); there is no explicit statement or anything shown by feat that a Supreme gds is above a normal gds

If you genuinely, genuinely think that a cultivator, who cultivates a Supreme Daos, and is GDS, is not in any way superior to another cultivator who cultivates a normal Dao, and is GDS, then, I have absolutely nothing to say to you. I'm not going to entertain your arguments, and I'll just automatically put you in disagree.

 

[ZERGESS]

If you genuinely, genuinely think that a cultivator, who cultivates a Supreme Daos, and is GDS, is not in any way superior to another cultivator who cultivates a normal Dao, and is GDS, then, I have absolutely nothing to say to you. I'm not going to entertain your arguments, and I'll just automatically put you in disagree.

it might be the case for their lower level but not anymore if it is on gds level, nor is there anything that shows in the verse even a Lil bit that a Supreme gds is superior

 

[Orioreeem]

the thing I'm sure of is that gds didn't came from Primordial Chaos

Proof?

 

[ZERGESS]

Proof?

The statement where Primordial lifeform which came from Primordial Chaos cultivated Primordial Laws is more than enough proof,

 

[ZERGESS]

We do know Primordial Laws came from Chaos, no shock here. But there's not a single statement mentioning GDS or Daos not being born from it, especially when there are statements like this

It's really funny how inconsistent this verse can get saying daos came from Chaos when it came from gds

 

[Orioreeem]

The statement where Primordial lifeform which came from Primordial Chaos cultivated Primordial Laws is more than enough proof,

Send it and explain how it proves that

 

[ZERGESS]

Send it and explain how it proves that

It should be pretty obvious enough no? If you can't infer anything with that, I can't do anything about it cuz that should be proof enough that only Primordial laws came from Primordial chaos,

 

[Orioreeem]

It should be pretty obvious enough no? If you can't infer anything with that, I can't do anything about it

So you can't bring scans and proof? I disagree with you then

 

[ZERGESS]

So you can't bring scans and proof? I disagree with you then

Thats fine as well, idk why you guys have to get people to agree with everything when you can just put them to disagree

 

[ZERGESS]

Innate law should take people as far as the peak of the Grand Emperor World. So, to become an Empyrean, a cultivator will have to cultivate Primordial Law that governs the Chaos of the entire universe.



As the name implies, Primordial Laws have existed since the beginning of time, since before the births of Normal and Source Chaos Worlds. By wielding it, cultivators will no longer be limited by their Chaos Worlds and can roam Primordial Chaos, contacting and iterating with primordial species like Fiendgods.



Finally, to become Paragons, cultivators will have to understand the Grand Dao Source–the origin or source of all laws in the Chaos Universe.



By then, they would become beings standing at the peak of Primordial Chaos, beings capable of treating the River of Time as nothing but an ordinary river, traversing up and down its stream.



'However, with the Heaven Will, cultivators can go from regular laws–even no law–to Grand Dao Source. Furthermore, since even Great Emperors can wield the source of the Dao, the other laws have to be boosted to balance things out.'



It created Fiendgods, boosting their Primordial Law and Innate Demon God's Innate Laws. Then, secretly manipulate the confrontation between the three Paths.



'Through constant battles, Fiendgods, Paragons, and Heavenly Primarchs can increase their battle strength while also retraining each other.'



chap 783



'Innate Lifeforms follow the Heavenly Dao Path. Heavenly Dao boosted their Innate Laws; this is the reason many of them were on par with Great Emperors. However, as soon as an Innate Lifeform enters Primordial Chaos, they lose that boost.



'The same goes for Fiendgods. They follow the Primordial Dao Path, and their Primordial Laws are boosted by Primordial Chaos itself. If they leave, their laws are also weakened.



'Great Emperors follow the Grand Dao Path, comprehending the Source and not being affected by the environment."

Chap 584

 

[Deonment]

Chap 584

That doesn't stop Chaos from having also created Daos in addition to Primordial Laws

Mhm….sounds abit weird…..

(It is an unfortunately common concept in CNs)
Yeah, which is part of why I was arguing for Supreme Daos being 1-A, as in addition to Fate exceeding Time and Space (with the Dao of Fate being one of the Supreme Daos, of which Time and Space are Daos it explicitly governs), a Supreme Dao stands at the pinnacle of all Daos and holds complete dominion over their lesser counterparts

The Supreme Outlaw Daos stood at the pinnacle of all Daos because it's easier for them to affect all other Daos. Greater Chaos is the embodiment of all Daos, Fate can control all Daos, Creation Dao can create all Daos, Destruction can eradicate all Daos, and Heaven Dao allows someone to know about all Daos.

(and then the following transcendence chain for Grand Dao Sources and Supreme Grand Dao Sources)
Which, compared to Primordial Chaos, can be affected by people who use Grand Dao Sources, wouldn't be 1-A if people affected it with something less than 1-A
The most you could argue is that all the Grand Daos in existence are as a result of Primordial Chaos becoming "finite" and thus all Daos are basically just "fragments" of it so to speak (which would track with what we know (or well, that I've read) the more I think about it).

 

[ZERGESS]

That doesn't stop Chaos from having also created Daos in addition to Primordial Laws

I honestly wonder why you think that way when it can be easily infer that gds didn't came from Primal Chaos

(and then the following transcendence chain for Grand Dao Sources and Supreme Grand Dao Sources)
Which, compared to Primordial Chaos, can be affected by people who use Grand Dao Sources, wouldn't be 1-A if people affected it with something less than 1-A
The most you could argue is that all the Grand Daos in existence are as a result of Primordial Chaos becoming "finite" and thus all Daos are basically just "fragments" of it so to speak (which would track with what we know (or well, that I've read) the more I think about it).

I honestly don't ùnderstand your point, but I'm pretty sure there is nothing that indicates that there is Supreme gds in the scans

 

[Rikimarox2]

Bumpty

 

[FinePoint]

I'm fine with a Low 1-A, Likely 1-A for the Dao stuff.

Could you elaborate on the 2-C though?

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'm fine with a Low 1-A, Likely 1-A for the Dao stuff.

Could you elaborate on the 2-C though?

Sure;

Middle Thousand Worlds, of which there are a ton of, are usually the size of a galaxy (albeit, larger than the normal ones compared to us), but there are some that are far larger compared to other ones, such as Heavenly Abode Realm;

It was stated that it surpassed the size of Great Thousand Worlds, and was reaching the size of Heaven Will Worlds;

"Huh?" muttered Wang Chang with a slight surprise. After scanning with his Divine Sense, he could only acquire two pieces of information: one, this world is only a Middle Thousand World. Two, this world is larger than most Greater Thousand Worlds, even approaching Heaven Will Worlds in size.

For context, some Heaven Will Worlds have domains (approx 3000~ domains), and the size of the biggest domain is 500+ times the size of our universe;

This world is too vast. According to Wang Wei's calculation, the world's largest Domain is 576 times that of the observable universe back on Earth, and that's only one Domain.

Additionally, this world has 36 Abodes, which were stated to be larger than any mortal universes;

After he made that punch, in just an instant, five Realms of the Heavenly Abode Realm–larger than any mortal universes–were instantly destroyed. The vibration destroyed all matter at a quantum level. This attack did not even spare the concept that existed in these realms as they were also annihilated.

And Void Shattering Realm cultivators should be able to fundamentally shake an entire world with a single attack (and possibly destroy, based on other statements);

The barrier trembled slightly, but nothing happened. This time, Wang Chang was truly surprised. His attack was at the level of Void Shattering Realm, and since this world is only a Middle Thousand World, the highest level of cultivator it can hold is the Primordial Spirit Realm. As such, his attack should not only break the shield, but shake the entire world.

Greater Thousand Worlds are much harder to destroy than MTWs and were considered to be universes.

As such, this'll make Heavenly Abode Realm, which is a Middle Thousand World, 2-C in size, due to 36 realms/universes it has inside, which are likely true universes as they are approaching Heaven Will Worlds in size.
Greater Thousand Worlds are harder to destroy than Middle Thousand Worlds (which would include Heavenly Abode Realm), and are considered Universes, so their destruction would warrant at least 2-C, too.
Void Shattering Realm cultivators would be 2-C (36 universes).

 

[FinePoint]

As such, this'll make Heavenly Abode Realm, which is a Middle Thousand World, 2-C in size, due to 36 realms/universes it has inside, which are likely true universes as they are approaching Heaven Will Worlds in size.
Greater Thousand Worlds are harder to destroy than Middle Thousand Worlds (which would include Heavenly Abode Realm), and are considered Universes, so their destruction would warrant at least 2-C, too.
Void Shattering Realm cultivators would be 2-C (36 universes).

Alright, that's probably fine too then.

 

[ZERGESS]

I'm a bit more certain now that those 'mortal universe' are really referring to mortal worlds cause there is no other mortal universe other than mortal world(worlds in the verse are referred as universe; thats also why gtw and mortal is referred as universe as provided in the scan) its very very unlikely for Wang Wei to refer that 'mortal-universe' to our own universe given the context like it was stated as 5 realms larger than 'ANY' mortal universe (like dude wang wei knows our universe and if he's referring to our universe there shouldn't be the word 'ANY' when stating that, so its more likely for him to refer those 'ANY' as mortal world as he know a lot of mortal worlds in the verse, no?
And at the end of the day a void shatterring power didn't manage to shake it let alone destroy to scale it as L2C
That should be clear enough and shouldn't be hard like you only need to scrutinize the statement a bit to scale it more properly

As for it approaching the size of a Heaven Will world is very likely to be fallacy and inconsistency on author part; like yeah it was stated like that but being given the precise approximate size should take precedence

 

[Rikimarox2]

I'm a bit more certain now that those 'mortal universe' are really referring to mortal worlds cause there is no other mortal universe other than mortal world(worlds in the verse are referred as universe; thats also why gtw and mortal is referred as universe as provided in the scan) its very very unlikely for Wang Wei to refer that 'mortal-universe' to our own universe given the context like it was stated as 5 realms larger than 'ANY' mortal universe (like dude wang wei knows our universe and if he's referring to our universe there shouldn't be the word 'ANY' when stating that, so its more likely for him to refer those 'ANY' as mortal world as he know a lot of mortal worlds in the verse, no?
And at the end of the day a void shatterring power didn't manage to shake it let alone destroy to scale it as L2C
That should be clear enough and shouldn't be hard like you only need to scrutinize the statement a bit to scale it more properly

As for it approaching the size of a Heaven Will world is very likely to be fallacy and inconsistency on author part; like yeah it was stated like that but being given the precise approximate size should take precedence

Noted, I already put in disagree, iirc.

Honestly for me, I still think they are actual universes, and I believe you're looking too much into it. Additionally, ignoring the direct statement of Heaven Will Worlds and considering it a "fallacy"(?), and "precise approximate size should take precedence" is a bit weird, ngl. What does the latter mean, exactly? Sorry, I just don't really understand that part.

Additionally, IIRC the very reason why Void Shattering power didn't manage to shake it is because of the Crystal Barrier that surrounds it, which is stated to be special, AND was created by a Great Emperor (hence why even Supreme level couldn't damage the barrier), not necessarily because of the world itself, methink.

 

[SweetDao]

As for it approaching the size of a Heaven Will world is very likely to be fallacy and inconsistency on author part; like yeah it was stated like that but being given the precise approximate size should take precedence

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidences. You HAVE to provide scans and explain why it should be taken as an outlier - fallacy/inconsistency - instead of facts.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Low 1-A and 1-A makes sense to me.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Very peak!

I think, since this thread is about 1-A shenanigans, we also need an admin vote, no? So, just a single admin vote, and I believe we'd be finished.

 

[ZERGESS]

Noted, I already put in disagree, iirc.

Honestly for me, I still think they are actual universes, and I believe you're looking too much into it. Additionally, ignoring the direct statement of Heaven Will Worlds and considering it a "fallacy"(?), and "precise approximate size should take precedence" is a bit weird, ngl. What does the latter mean, exactly? Sorry, I just don't really understand that part.

Additionally, IIRC the very reason why Void Shattering power didn't manage to shake it is because of the Crystal Barrier that surrounds it, which is stated to be special, AND was created by a Great Emperor (hence why even Supreme level couldn't damage the barrier), not necessarily because of the world itself, methink.

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidences. You HAVE to provide scans and explain why it should be taken as an outlier - fallacy/inconsistency - instead of facts.

I have already addressed those above, I have already explained all to disprove the claims of L2C(it shouldn'ttake a genius to understand my point, ngl), if you guys want to go in circle I can't do anything about it

 

[Rikimarox2]

Welp, guess we don't understand then.

If anyone agrees with you, I'll just put them in disagree/neutral.

 

[FinePoint]

Very peak!

I think, since this thread is about 1-A shenanigans, we also need an admin vote, no? So, just a single admin vote, and I believe we'd be finished.

Yes, it needs at least one admin approval.

 

[Pluto321]

Yes, it needs at least one admin approval.

can you tag some admin that has knowledge on low 1A and 1A and cultivation novels

 

[FinePoint]

can you tag some admin that has knowledge on low 1A and 1A and cultivation novels

I could, but I don't know any off the top of my head.

Who did you have in mind?