Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor: Cosmology blog, and likely 1-A

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I'll take Low 1-A, ngl.

Yeah, that’s fine then.

 

[Orioreeem]

So if primal chaos is low 1-A i guess that stops grand dao source and dao from being 1-A as well? So only nothingness is 1-A?

 

[Rikimarox2]

So if primal chaos is low 1-A i guess that stops grand dao source and dao from being 1-A as well? So only nothingness is 1-A?

It's a bit weird, I'm currently fine with Low 1-A for Primordial Chaos, but iirc, that'll make other things Low 1-A as well, including Nothingness, since Daos came from Primal Chaos, and can affect nothingness, albeit in a very limited way (and might be due to understanding of nothingness, but eh).

I think Deon's points make great sense, and I'm honestly more open to something like "Low 1-A, likely 1-A" for both Chaos and Nothingness, but as of right now, I'm not that sure;

• Daos being the concept of their particulars, transcending and being the source of Laws, of which there is a Law for everything, including things such as Space and Time, making them Low 1-A
• Supreme Daos underlie and transcend lesser Daos, fundamentally underlying them (see the river of fate encompassing and being unaffected by someone being erased from the river of time), embodying, and being able to control, create, destroy, and understand all daos, making them potentially 1-A.
• Great Dao Sources are even beyond them, being the ultimate source of all of their particulars, the origin of all Laws and Daos, including those Supreme Daos, being able to completely suppress those who use things derived from the Dao Source, making it a layer into 1-A.
• Primal Chaos is the origin of all Daos, including the Great Dao Sources, being the absolute beginning and absolute end of everything, with it being unaffected by all the world being destroyed, making it further into the same Layer of 1-A as Great Dao Sources since they can still affect it.

 

[Orioreeem]

Yeah, that’s fine then.

Since we are unsure about Chaos having those properties(it could or it coudn't) what about Deon's opinion on Supreme Dao's being 1-A?

1-A would be coming from:

• Daos being the concept of their particulars, transcending and being the source of Laws, of which there is a Law for everything, including things such as Space and Time, making them Low 1-A
• Supreme Daos underlie and transcend lesser Daos, fundamentally underlying them (see the river of fate encompassing and being unaffected by someone being erased from the river of time), embodying, and being able to control, create, destroy, and understand all daos, making them potentially 1-A.
• Great Dao Sources are even beyond them, being the ultimate source of all of their particulars, the origin of all Laws and Daos, including those Supreme Daos, being able to completely suppress those who use things derived from the Dao Source, making it a layer into 1-A.
• Primal Chaos is the origin of all Daos, including the Great Dao Sources, being the absolute beginning and absolute end of everything, with it being unaffected by all the world being destroyed, making it further into the same Layer of 1-A as Great Dao Sources since they can still affect it.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Since we are unsure about Chaos having those properties(it could or it coudn't) what about Deon's opinion on Supreme Dao's being 1-A?

If that final statement is true:

• Primal Chaos is the origin of all Daos, including the Great Dao Sources, being the absolute beginning and absolute end of everything, with it being unaffected by all the world being destroyed, making it further into the same Layer of 1-A as Great Dao Sources since they can still affect it.

Then there is contention for 1-A. I just trusted the OP's judgement.

 

[Deonment]

Then there is contention for 1-A. I just trusted the OP's judgement.

OP is mostly lowballing, but exactly what part of this contends 1-A exactly?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

OP is mostly lowballing, but exactly what part of this contends 1-A exactly?

I should of phrased that as “there can be an argument for 1-A based on that final statement.” Your reasoning as someone mentioned above seems more like contextual chain-scaling.

A is the law for everything including time and space.

B birth A and is the ground for A and thus all laws established from A are superseded by B.

Which I guess is fine, but are there any direct quotes for that?

 

[Rikimarox2]

I should of phrased that as “there can be an argument for 1-A based on that final statement.” Your reasoning as someone mentioned above seems more like contextual chain-scaling.

A is the law for everything including time and space.

B birth A and is the ground for A and thus all laws established from A are superseded by B.

Which I guess is fine, but are there any direct quotes for that?

For Law:

"Finally, it's the law–the fundamental concepts that govern realities….” - Ch. 637

According to years of studying, cultivators have concluded that divine runes are a physical manifestation of the rules of Heaven and Earth, of the law. Normally, Law is invisible, unnoticeable, unreal, and indescribable. However, through divine runes, the Law can become a physical and observable concept. - Ch. 369

Laws are fundamental concepts that govern realities, and there is a law for pretty much everything (time, space, chaos, wuji, creation, fate, etc...)

They are Type 2 by nature.

Then there are Daos:

Wang Wei sat cross-legged in a mountain, deep in cultivation. The Law Tree inside his body shone brightly as a fruit rapidly condensed. The fruit was silver with nine symbols–each representing an aspect of Wang Wei's Fate Law: Destiny, Fate, Karma, Samsara, Space-Time, Luck, Order-Disorder, Yin-Yang, and Free Will.

As his comprehension reached the required level, he had no problem condensing his Dao Fruit. Wang Wei could feel his Laws sublimated to a higher level; they became Dao, the source of all Laws.

Comprehend the laws until they evolved into Daos. In this stage, cultivators no longer have to adapt to the laws of other worlds before they can use their powers. Ye Dafu was at the peak of this realm. - Ch. 549

They are the source of all Laws, can exist even if the Universe is destroyed, and makes it so that a Cultivator no longer needs to adapt to the laws of different worlds.

This is Type 1.

Then we have Supreme Daos/Hidden Daos;
This one is a bit more lengthy, so I just suggest you read this part of another CRT.

They are above normal Daos, such as when someone was erased from the timeline, they still existed in the River of Fate, with direct statements that Fate surpasses time, for example.

Grand Dao Source and Supreme GDS:
Kinda obvious where this is going, but they are also the origin of all Daos, and suppress all Daos and Laws;

Furthermore, this answer also explained many other things: Why did Di Tian's Dao change the laws of one of the Dimensions, making Samsara Dao the main Dao of the entire place?

Why did all of Wang Wei's Dao be suppressed–especially his Life and Death (Samsara) Dao?

It's because he controlled the source or origin of all Daos–the Grand Dao Source. As such, all laws or Daos are innately suppressed before the source; this is why Dao Ancestors and Great Emperors are absolute beings before mortals.

Then there's the Supreme stuff just like normal Supreme Daos, and etc...

Primordial Chaos, iirc, and based on scans, gave birth to everything, which would include all of the above, and even the Laws/Daos about Chaos symbolizes Absolute End and Absolute Beginning and whatnot, and more, obviously.

 

[Deonment]

Kinda obvious where this is going, but they are also the origin of all Daos

To provide an extra quote for this that was sent earlier in the thread

The Grand Dao Source is the origin of all laws or Daos in the Chaos Universe, and it is the highest form of power.

As the name implies, the Grand Dao Source is the root or origin of all laws, concepts, or rules that make up the entire universe. By controlling it, Great Emperors have no restraint wherever they go: whether it is Primordial Chaos or any Chaos Worlds.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Primordial Chaos, iirc, and based on scans, gave birth to everything, which would include all of the above, and even the Laws/Daos about Chaos symbolizes Absolute End and Absolute Beginning and whatnot, and more, obviously.

The real takeaway for me for 1-A is about the laws governing all concepts and being the source from which they are the underlying principle across all cultivated worlds and realms. I like that Samsara text to which the Primordial Chaps is outside all those cycles of Fate Laws and all things. That's for me is 1-A given that one of the quotes did say in the Supreme Dao contains time and space itself.

Though, this doesn't mean much does it:

According to years of studying, cultivators have concluded that divine runes are a physical manifestation of the rules of Heaven and Earth, of the law. Normally, Law is invisible, unnoticeable, unreal, and indescribable. However, through divine runes, the Law can become a physical and observable concept. - Ch. 369

Though, it’s really not relevant for 1-A Primordial Chaos. Does this mean laws can undergo changes metaphysical to physical?

 

[Rikimarox2]

The real takeaway for me for 1-A is about the laws governing all concepts and being the source from which they are the underlying principle across all cultivated worlds and realms. I like that Samsara text to which the Primordial Chaps is outside all those cycles of Fate Laws and all things. That's for me is 1-A given that one of the quotes did say in the Supreme Dao contains time and space itself.

Though, this doesn't mean much does it:

Though, it’s really not relevant for 1-A Primordial Chaos. Does this mean laws can undergo changes metaphysical to physical?

Ah no, those are Divine Runes, something else from actual Laws. They are the Info Type 2 of the verse, and are just representation of the Law, ie people use it to understand the law. But the Law itself is different from it. I kinda added this just for the whole "Law is Invisible, unnoticeable, etc..." shenanigans.

That said, I assume you are fine with 1-A Chaos, Grand Dao Source and Supreme Daos?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

That said, I assume you are fine with 1-A Chaos, Grand Dao Source and Supreme Daos?

Chaos, yes. The rest not really.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Chaos, yes. The rest not really.

Any reasons why?

 

[ZERGESS]

Which, mind you, is still enough for scaling, and even then, an argument could be made that he wasn't trying to destroy all of it (since he needed it for Wang Wei). Not to mention the plethora of statements mentioning how to destroy an entire world, you'd need to be above its highest point in cultivation, with characters even far below the highest point being capable of casually destroy majority of a world (see Wang Wei and his talk about GTW)

Brother why are you adding so much unnecessary info it's a pain in the ass to read all of it, THE THING IS HE ATTACKED IT WITH VOID SHATTERING POWER YET IT DID NOT DESTROY IT, AND YEAH ITS NOT INSTANT DESTRUCTION MAYBE UNLESS ITS IS FAR ABOVE

You are contradicting yourself, and even then, I've never seen someone so stringent on something that is so blatantly meant to be universal (and contains other shenanigans), at the very least, wow. Like brother, at this point if you genuinely think they aren't at least Universe-Sized, I don't think any amount of evidence bar "This world is 94 billion light years across", will actually convince you. But might as well;

They are called universes, many times, and are shown that the distance just between two flags are billions of light years away;

Spoiler

"
Using the map he created, he lay two formations. He secretly moved many of the spiritual mountains in this universe as the formation flag for the first formation. He saved a lot of resources with this method, but it took him some effort to move these things without alerting Heavenly Dao.

The first formation was a Heaven Sealing Array he learned from Wu Hong to prevent this world's Heavenly Dao from creating a Dao Ancestor once his incarnations start causing trouble. He even used a talisman with her power as the array's core.

The second formation was the Time Acceleration Formation he needed so his incarnations could have plenty of time to reach the Quasi-Emperor World. For this array, he had to refine Array Flags imbued with time energy and used a very rare Time Crystal as the formation's core.

Furthermore, he had to place it in specific and connected positions worldwide to create complex divine runes. And given the fact some of these flags were billions of light-years away from each other, it was not an easy task."

It's very clear that it is not just 2 flags or so, but many flags, and not to mention that these flags are just for the Time Acceleration Formation, let alone his other formation.

AGAIN YOURE ADDING UNNECESSARY INFO, BROTHER WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? A FORMATION CAN BE OVERLAPPED, HE DIDN'T SET THOSE FORMATIONS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, AND YEAH THERE IS NOTHING HERE OR ANYTHING THAT INFERS THAT IT IS OF UNIVERSAL SIZE, THE OTHER FLAG DIDNT EVEN REACH A BILLION SO ITS UNLIKELY FOR THE OTHER FLAG TO REACH TENS OF BILLIONS ESPECIALLY IF ITS A FORMATION, JUST A QUESTION DID YOU THINK HIS FORMATION IS A LINE THAT KEEPS GOING ON AND ON SO IT IS UNIVERSAL?

Like, I'm sorry but I'm just so amazed. A statement about being called a universe, it being larger and unfathomably harder to destroy than Middle Thousand Worlds, and just the fact that the distance between two flags alone was billions of light years away, and yet, you just immediately thought that it isn't, simply because they haven't given us a 100% precise estimation of the size of the universe, and straight ignored any statement about it being a universe, and any implications that it could be a universe, and went with the biggest lowball imaginable, which is assuming it is just a few billions of light years across.

Nah, your statement here does not really hold anything though my argument for this is the above text

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Any reasons why?

What relation has the other two have to Chaos?

 

[ZERGESS]

It really is inconsistent when the fact that he can't destroy other normal mtw yet he can destroy a larger one(during at that time)

 

[Rikimarox2]

Unnecessarry Info

Literally scans about the feats themselves.

NOTHING HERE OR ANYTHING THAT INFERS THAT IT IS OF UNIVERSAL SIZE

Stated to be a universe multiple time, compared to "world", which is what they said to almost every world. The distance between 2 flags was billions of light years, there's no set amount of flags, and while true they could be overlapped, they could just as well not be. But all of that doesn't matter when it was very clearly meant to be a Universe, stated to be a universe, is larger than a lot of MTWs, AND requires a Dao Ancestor to destroy.

THE OTHER FLAG DIDNT EVEN REACH A BILLION

Love it. Direct statement that the distance between them was billions of light years away from each, yet you just- contradict that.

fact some of these flags were billions of light-years away from each other, it was not an easy task."

Regardless brother, clearly all of these aren't enough for you, and for some reason you are so stringent with the requirements. I'll just put you as a disagree, and that'll be it. I won't bother arguing, since there's nothing else to argue, this is a case of agree to disagree. Also, really not sure why you're going ALL CAPS, for whatever reason, as I've insulted you or something lmfao.

If anyone agrees with Zergs, I'll just put them in disagree as well.

Tho very small question, if you don't mind, are you reading the series translated, or in the original language?

It really is inconsistent when the fact that he can't destroy other normal mtw yet he can destroy a larger one(during at that time)

WOW.
Brother.

Just to make sure, are you talking about Primordial Spirit Realm? Or Divine Body Realm? The latter who already had a feat where his mere shockwave was capable of destroying a MTW? Or the former who had a dragon force of 47, which meant he could destroy 47 MTWs?

What relation has the other two have to Chaos?

Grand Source Daos could affect Chaos, in a way, despite being born from it.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Grand Source Daos could affect Chaos, in a way, despite being born from it.

Mhm….sounds abit weird…..

 

[ZERGESS]

Wdym? Laws are type 2 concepts, Daos are type 1, and Supreme Daos are above them, and Grand Dao Sources (are considered the origin of all daos and suppress them all) is above that as well. For concept, Daos can exist even if the universe is destroyed

iirc your proposal in that thread is gds>dao>innate laws>laws how did it turn like that?

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Primordial Chaos gave birth to those Daos, iirc, and although the universe is currently in a River of Time (timeline), it's a bit complicated;
1. The timeline is reinforced by the Great/Grand Dao, which is a supreme being.
2. It is so reinforced that cultivators, who are supposed to be able to change the timeline however they want and see it as their backyard, were barely able to do anything in it, and if they want something, they gotta go to different timelines to get it.
3. The timeline in question is, iirc, conceptual, and things like "Dimensional Layering" didn't exist until later on in the verse (as in, an actual statement that the Supreme Being started implementing dimensional stuff for fun from another small world).

So idk. People said its Low 1-A/1-A, and I think it makes sense with the GDS and Daos, and stuff.

IIRC Primordial Chaos strictly speaking gave birth to Primordial Laws and not daos or gds

 

[Rikimarox2]

iirc your proposal in that thread is gds>dao>innate laws>laws how did it turn like that?

?? What is wrong with it? In that thread, it was defined as;
GDS > Supreme Daos > Daos > Innate Laws >=Laws, no?

IIRC Primordial Chaos strictly speaking gave birth to Primordial Laws and not daos or gds

That feels very, very wrong. Do you have the scan on you?

 

[ZERGESS]

Literally scans about the feats themselves.

Stated to be a universe multiple time, compared to "world", which is what they said to almost every world. The distance between 2 flags was billions of light years, there's no set amount of flags, and while true they could be overlapped, they could just as well not be. But all of that doesn't matter when it was very clearly meant to be a Universe, stated to be a universe, is larger than a lot of MTWs, AND requires a Dao Ancestor to destroy.

Love it. Direct statement that the distance between them was billions of light years away from each, yet you just- contradict that.

Regardless brother, clearly all of these aren't enough for you, and for some reason you are so stringent with the requirements. I'll just put you as a disagree, and that'll be it. I won't bother arguing, since there's nothing else to argue, this is a case of agree to disagree. Also, really not sure why you're going ALL CAPS, for whatever reason, as I've insulted you or something lmfao.

If anyone agrees with Zergs, I'll just put them in disagree as well.

Tho very small question, if you don't mind, are you reading the series translated, or in the original language?

I won't be arguing in this kind of argument where it gets low
If you don't know I'm the one who called goofy to get this better evaluated in this kind tier L1A but Other points seems pretty inconsistent anything thing 1C and below

WOW.
Brother.

Just to make sure, are you talking about Primordial Spirit Realm? Or Divine Body Realm? The latter who already had a feat where his mere shockwave was capable of destroying a MTW? Or the former who had a dragon force of 47, which meant he could destroy 47 MTWs?

Can I ask which realm is he at at that time

 

[Rikimarox2]

I won't be arguing in this kind of argument where it gets low

????

Can I ask which realm is he at at that time

Which one? The one where he was in the Heavenly Abode Realm? The beginning of Primordial Spirit Realm.

 

[ZERGESS]

Can someone tag Ultima a staff?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Can someone tag Ultima a staff?

He’s not going to be on the site for a while. I highly doubt this piques his interest.

 

[Orioreeem]

What is this disscusion if a universe is a universe??? By our standards if something is called a universe it's a universe unless contradicted. And distance between flags being stated to be billions of years is NOT a contradiction. Billions of years does not cap it at 10 million years just because it's not stated to be dozens of billion of years. Billions of years could just very well be hundred thousend billion years. What's important is that it's called a universe so it's a universe by this wiki's standards. If someones has a problem with it then make a stuff disscusion thread for wiki wide revision of what clasifies as a universe.

 

[ZERGESS]

????

If you don't know I'm the one who called goofy to get this better evaluated at tier L1A but other points that is below L1C is pretty inconsistent

Which one? The one where he was in the Heavenly Abode Realm? The beginning of Primordial Spirit Realm.

Nevermind

 

[ZERGESS]

It's a bit weird, I'm currently fine with Low 1-A for Primordial Chaos, but iirc, that'll make other things Low 1-A as well, including Nothingness, since Daos came from Primal Chaos, and can affect nothingness, albeit in a very limited way (and might be due to understanding of nothingness, but eh).

I think Deon's points make great sense, and I'm honestly more open to something like "Low 1-A, likely 1-A" for both Chaos and Nothingness, but as of right now, I'm not that sure;

• Daos being the concept of their particulars, transcending and being the source of Laws, of which there is a Law for everything, including things such as Space and Time, making them Low 1-A
• Supreme Daos underlie and transcend lesser Daos, fundamentally underlying them (see the river of fate encompassing and being unaffected by someone being erased from the river of time), embodying, and being able to control, create, destroy, and understand all daos, making them potentially 1-A.
• Great Dao Sources are even beyond them, being the ultimate source of all of their particulars, the origin of all Laws and Daos, including those Supreme Daos, being able to completely suppress those who use things derived from the Dao Source, making it a layer into 1-A.
• Primal Chaos is the origin of all Daos, including the Great Dao Sources, being the absolute beginning and absolute end of everything, with it being unaffected by all the world being destroyed, making it further into the same Layer of 1-A as Great Dao Sources since they can still affect it.

Brother there is no statement nor anything that infers that Supreme daos are transcendentally above Daos

 

[ZERGESS]

It's a bit weird, I'm currently fine with Low 1-A for Primordial Chaos, but iirc, that'll make other things Low 1-A as well, including Nothingness, since Daos came from Primal Chaos, and can affect nothingness, albeit in a very limited way (and might be due to understanding of nothingness, but eh).

I think Deon's points make great sense, and I'm honestly more open to something like "Low 1-A, likely 1-A" for both Chaos and Nothingness, but as of right now, I'm not that sure;

• Daos being the concept of their particulars, transcending and being the source of Laws, of which there is a Law for everything, including things such as Space and Time, making them Low 1-A
• Supreme Daos underlie and transcend lesser Daos, fundamentally underlying them (see the river of fate encompassing and being unaffected by someone being erased from the river of time), embodying, and being able to control, create, destroy, and understand all daos, making them potentially 1-A.
• Great Dao Sources are even beyond them, being the ultimate source of all of their particulars, the origin of all Laws and Daos, including those Supreme Daos, being able to completely suppress those who use things derived from the Dao Source, making it a layer into 1-A.
• Primal Chaos is the origin of all Daos, including the Great Dao Sources, being the absolute beginning and absolute end of everything, with it being unaffected by all the world being destroyed, making it further into the same Layer of 1-A as Great Dao Sources since they can still affect it.

And I really doubt this would be the rating for them when they are In A balance with other laws, inntate laws and shtick

 

[ZERGESS]

If that final statement is true:

Then there is contention for 1-A. I just trusted the OP's judgement.

I should of phrased that as “there can be an argument for 1-A based on that final statement.” Your reasoning as someone mentioned above seems more like contextual chain-scaling.

A is the law for everything including time and space.

B birth A and is the ground for A and thus all laws established from A are superseded by B.

Which I guess is fine, but are there any direct quotes for that?

Iirc the primal Chaos gave birth to Primordial law and not daos or grand dao source, and Primordial Laws, Grand Dao Source, laws innate laws are in a balance with each other

 

[Rikimarox2]

Brother, for the love of god, stop multi-posting. You're clogging the thread with posts that could've very well been crammed into a single post.

Brother there is no statement nor anything that infers that Supreme daos are transcendentally above Daos

No shot we're going back to this again. We already had this discussion, Supreme Daos are more fundamental than Daos, and it was already ACCEPTED. If you have a problem with that, make another CRT. Don't clog it up here.

If you don't know I'm the one who called goofy to get this better evaluated at tier L1A but other points that is below L1C is pretty inconsistent

I appreciate that, but do please tell me what are Inconsistent? There are things that have been retconned, sure, but the most important ones have been addressed.

Please tell me the inconsistent ones, with statements and scans, and tell me why they are inconsistent. Forget about GTW, as I doubt we could change each other's opinion on it.

And I really doubt this would be the rating for them when they are In A balance with other laws, inntate laws and shtick

Please provide more context or scans, or statements, brother. Imma be honest, majority of the stuff you said hold no value since there aren't any statements or scans accompanied with it. Till now you haven't provided a single scan or statement.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Iirc the primal Chaos gave birth to Primordial law and not daos or grand dao source, and Primordial Laws, Grand Dao Source, laws innate laws are in a balance with each other

Wouldn't Chaos be the source of those laws and their balances? After all, they would have to come from somewhere and Chaos isn't in the system of Creation per se, but nevertheless, is the source of it, no?

 

[ZERGESS]

For Law:



Laws are fundamental concepts that govern realities, and there is a law for pretty much everything (time, space, chaos, wuji, creation, fate, etc...)

They are Type 2 by nature.

Then there are Daos:


They are the source of all Laws, can exist even if the Universe is destroyed, and makes it so that a Cultivator no longer needs to adapt to the laws of different worlds.

This is Type 1.

Then we have Supreme Daos/Hidden Daos;
This one is a bit more lengthy, so I just suggest you read this part of another CRT.

They are above normal Daos, such as when someone was erased from the timeline, they still existed in the River of Fate, with direct statements that Fate surpasses time, for example.

Grand Dao Source and Supreme GDS:
Kinda obvious where this is going, but they are also the origin of all Daos, and suppress all Daos and Laws;

Then there's the Supreme stuff just like normal Supreme Daos, and etc...

Primordial Chaos, iirc, and based on scans, gave birth to everything, which would include all of the above, and even the Laws/Daos about Chaos symbolizes Absolute End and Absolute Beginning and whatnot, and more, obviously.

Where did Supreme gds came from? There is no explicit statement that the gds of Supreme/hidden dao are above of other daos; my brother not just your adding unnecessary info but your adding one or two

 

[Orioreeem]

@ZERGESS bring scans for your argumemts otherwise they hold no value. Every person here brough their scans when they made an argument so it's only fair that you do as well.

 

[ZERGESS]

That feels very, very wrong. Do you have the scan on you?

i dont but Primordial laws which is pretty obvious where it came from and is on a balance with innate law and gds should be obvious enough

 

[ZERGESS]

He’s not going to be on the site for a while. I highly doubt this piques his interest.

Thought so

 

[ZERGESS]

What is this disscusion if a universe is a universe??? By our standards if something is called a universe it's a universe unless contradicted. And distance between flags being stated to be billions of years is NOT a contradiction. Billions of years does not cap it at 10 million years just because it's not stated to be dozens of billion of years. Billions of years could just very well be hundred thousend billion years. What's important is that it's called a universe so it's a universe by this wiki's standards. If someones has a problem with it then make a stuff disscusion thread for wiki wide revision of what clasifies as a universe.

I won't be arguing this where I keep saying my point; its a pain in the ass

 

[ZERGESS]

Brother, for the love of god, stop multi-posting. You're clogging the thread with posts that could've very well been crammed into a single post.


No shot we're going back to this again. We already had this discussion, Supreme Daos are more fundamental than Daos, and it was already ACCEPTED. If you have a problem with that, make another CRT. Don't clog it up here.

I appreciate that, but do please tell me what are Inconsistent? There are things that have been retconned, sure, but the most important ones have been addressed.

Please tell me the inconsistent ones, with statements and scans, and tell me why they are inconsistent. Forget about GTW, as I doubt we could change each other's opinion on it.


Please provide more context or scans, or statements, brother. Imma be honest, majority of the stuff you said hold no value since there aren't any statements or scans accompanied with it. Till now you haven't provided a single scan or statement.

It's a bit hard to post scans using mobile and thats also why I'm multi posting lol

 

[Rikimarox2]

i dont but Primordial laws which is pretty obvious where it came from and is on a balance with innate law and gds should be obvious enough
I won't be arguing this where I keep saying my point; its a pain in the ass

...Yeah, I give up.

It's a bit hard to post scans using mobile and thats also why I'm multi posting lol

Brother, maybe, just maybe, get the scans, and make everything you want to talk about, in one post, ye? I get that you're on mobile, and it's annoying, but that ain't an excuse to just multi-post, not give scans, and clog up the thread.

 

[Orioreeem]

I won't be arguing this where I keep saying my point; its a pain in the ass

That's fine. If this gets accepted you can make a downgrade thread that's all about your point of it not being a universe. Someone will evaluate it and that will be it.

 

[ZERGESS]

Wouldn't Chaos be the source of those laws and their balances? After all, they would have to come from somewhere and Chaos isn't in the system of Creation per se, but nevertheless, is the source of it, no?

Strictly speaking Primordial Laws or maybe even law and innate laws came from Primal Chaos but definitely not the gds,
There is a thing in the verse where one is a Primordial lifeform and the darling of the Primordial Chaos as they can roam it however they want so yeah I don't think they all came from the same source