Hashiras vs Mori Dan (2-9-0)

[Johner2133451]

Hashira

The Hashiras (柱), also known as the Pillars, are the top-ranking, most elite swordsmen in the Demon Slayer Corps. They are the strongest demon slayers throughout the entire organization and are entrusted with dangerous missions in their specific region alongside leading the fight against the...

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Mori Dan

17 years after Mujin Park's betrayal, Mori Jin became a name of infamy and terror. Forced into hiding, Mori Jin became Mori Dan to protect both him and his adopted sister, Ahan Dan. After revealing his identity to the world, he - with assistance from allies - would go on to wage war against...

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Speed is not equalized (Mori Dan at base is around mach 539 while all the hashiras at base are around mach 2200. Both parties can further amplify their speed)

Mori Dan at his Large Town level key: @Tuxidoe_Redo, @Arkenis, @SeijiSetto, @DavidTPPM, @Kazuma_kuwabara, @M2u12, @Jackof_noTrades068, @Arkenis, @GodEarh206
Hashiras at their Large Town level key: @Catbowtie, @CastoriceTheFifth
Incon:

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Following

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw that Mach 2200 is massively upscaled from Base Season 3 Mitsuri

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Wait tf does he not resist battle spirit

 

[Johner2133451]

Wait tf does he not resist battle spirit

You mean fear manip? @DavidTPPM mentions Mori would be fine

 

[DavidTPPM]

So Mori starts almost exactly 4x slower but also 6.78x stronger.
He massively upscales from the value and has speed amps + anapre so he'd definitely be able to keep up until he catches up in speed. How exactly do Hashiras fight?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So Mori starts almost exactly 4x slower but also 6.78x stronger.
He massively upscales from the value and has speed amps + anapre so he'd definitely be able to keep up until he catches up in speed. How exactly do Hashiras fight?

Here’s what it says on the profile

Teamwork: Due to the intensive Hashira Training, the Hashira of the Demon Slayer Corps refined not only their individual strength but also their ability to work as a highly synchronized unit. The Hashira will coordinate with one another to attack their target(s) simultaneously without hindering each other. The Hashira start their battles with using their respective breathing styles, closing the distance between them and their target(s) with astonishing speed and precision to unleash powerful slashes and thrusts. From there, the Hashiras will relentlessly bombard the opponent(s) with attacks all at once from multiple angles, seeking to mutilate their opponent(s) into defenselessness by cutting off limbs and eventually decapitating them if the opportunity shows itself. During this ceaseless bombardment, the Hashira can create openings for each other by distracting the opponent(s) through practical and miscellaneous means, hindering the opponent’s movements by severing appendages or restraining them, and even sacrificing themselves. When a Pillar is in trouble, one or more other Hashiras will quickly provide protection to the Pillar or move the Pillar away from the danger if they cannot do so themselves. In cases when a Pillar is unable to decapitate an opponent due to their durability, another Pillar will come in and clash their weapons together in order to strengthen the blow. If the opponent’s regeneration is faster than what they can keep up with or if any of them are particularly determined to defeat the opponent, Hashira with the Demon Slayer Mark will acquire Bright Red Nichirin blades by either clashing with each other's swords or by squeezing their blades to the point the blade turns into a Bright Red Nichirin Blade. With enough time, the Hashira with the Demon Slayer Mark will gain access to the Transparent World and help each other achieve it. With Yushiro’s blindfolds, the Hashira can turn invisible and sense each other’s presences. This sensing works even if the Pillar is blind and deaf

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Spoiler alert: this is Tengen straight off the bat

 

[DavidTPPM]

Btw that Mach 2200 is massively upscaled from Base Season 3 Mitsuri

Mori upscales a lot as well.
It's basically
MJ mode Mori >>> base Mori > Ahan >>> mach 543

Wait tf does he not resist battle spirit

Mori resists at least up to executive level fear manipulation and it's effects (I haven't added it to his profile yet but it's already accepted. I'm sloooowly updating fear stuff on the profiles).

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Mori upscales a lot as well.
It's basically
MJ mode Mori >>> base Mori > Ahan >>> mach 543

Marked + Transparent World Hashiras > Marked Hashiras > Infinity Fortress Base Hashiras > Marked Season 3 Mitsuri > Base Mitsuri Mach 2200

The hashiras also got instictive reaction and can dodge attacks that they cannot perceive

 

[Johner2133451]

The hashiras also got instictive reaction and can dodge attacks that they cannot perceive

Mori Dan got the same thing so I think it's fair

• Instinctive Reaction (His body is capable of countering attacks he himself deems impossible to block)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Marked + Transparent World Hashiras > Marked Hashiras > Infinity Fortress Base Hashiras > Marked Season 3 Mitsuri > Base Mitsuri Mach 2200

Yeah that should be fine. Mori might struggle for the first few attacks but then he'd catch up to their speed.

Do they have any noteworthy hax or abilities other than swordsmanship? And how good is their swordsmanship exactly?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Mori Dan got the same thing so I think it's fair

• Instinctive Reaction (His body is capable of countering attacks he himself deems impossible to block)

To add to this, he not only responded but instinctively found a way to counter Sujins attack without even knowing what happened.

It also helps that he knows moonlight swordsmanship which allows him to use his bare hands as if they were swords if necessary

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah that should be fine. Mori might struggle for the first few attacks but then he'd catch up to their speed.

Do they have any noteworthy hax or abilities other than swordsmanship? And how good is their swordsmanship exactly?

There are 3 hashiras who have this

• Perception Amplification, Information Analysis, Enhanced Sight, Analytical Prediction & Precognition(The Transparent World makes his perception of time slow down and makes the user directly see their opponent's muscles, blood flow and movements which allows them to predict their next moves. Gyomei is capable of exactly imagining the opponent instead of seeing him, and can sense them)

Some hashiras have Re, AD, or both. I am not able to do justice explaining their swordsmanship but they are able to fight and defeat master martial artists and swordsmans who have centuries worth of experience such as Kokushibo with 500 years. The hashira Giyuu can fight and contend with Akaza who has this and can constantly fight against this

• Instinctive Reaction (Superior to Kyojuro, Mitsuri, Sanemi, and Giyu who can react instinctively)
  • Weakness Detection, Strength Perception, Precognition, Reactive Power Level, Enhanced Instinctive Reaction, Enhanced Awareness & Enhanced Accuracy with Compass Needle (Compass Needle allows him to accurately sense a person's Battle Spirit, allowing him to predict their movements, discern their location in his surroundings (even from his blind-spots), and find and instinctively aim for their weak points and vitals with such high accuracy that his attacks are described as "being attracted by magnets" and "clinging" to his opponents. Can tell someone's strength just by looking at them, was able to discern that Kyojuro was a Hashira at a glance. Can instinctively respond to attacks with an appropriate counter, was stated by Giyu to learn to anticipate his every move and strike back with equal accuracy as the fight went on. He can effectively fight and discern his surroundings and track his opponents without a head (deaf and blind) solely through detecting Battle Spirit)

 

[Johner2133451]

Yeah that should be fine. Mori might struggle for the first few attacks but then he'd catch up to their speed.

Do they have any noteworthy hax or abilities other than swordsmanship? And how good is their swordsmanship exactly?

I think something like Giyu that Mori Dan needs to watch out for

Giyu Tomioka

Giyu Tomioka (富岡とみおか 義ぎ勇ゆう, Tomioka Giyū?) is a major supporting character of Demon Slayer: Kimetsu No Yaiba. He is a Demon Slayer of the Demon Slayer Corps and the current Water Hashira (水みず柱ばしら, Mizu Bashira?). He grew up alongside his older sister. When he was still a child, his sister...

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• Attack Nullification (With Dead Calm, all attacks in his surroundings turn to nothing)
• Reactive Power Level (Stated that fighting the overwhelmingly stronger Akaza allowed him to quickly hone his senses, and awaken his senses to drag them to where his strong opponent stands)

And Gyomei

Gyomei Himejima

Gyomei Himejima (悲鳴ひめ嶼じま行ぎょう冥めい, Himejima Gyōmei?) is a major supporting character of Demon Slayer: Kimetsu No Yaiba. He is a Demon Slayer of the Demon Slayer Corps and the current Stone Hashira (岩いわ柱ばしら, Iwa Bashira?). Gyomei also serves as the mentor of Genya Shinazugawa. He used to live with...

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• Invisibility & Stealth Mastery (Used the paper talismans by Yushiro to mask his presence and become invisible)
• Perception Amplification, Information Analysis, Enhanced Sight, Analytical Prediction & Precognition (The Transparent World makes his perception of time slow down and makes the user directly see their opponent's muscles, blood flow and movements which allows them to predict their next moves. Gyomei is capable of exactly imagining the opponent instead of seeing him, and can sense them)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Here’s a good summary of the Hashiras skills.

Post in thread 'Giyu Tomioka Vs Yuta Okkotsu (Demon Slayer Vs Jujutsu Kaisen) [7-0-0]'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/giyu-...r-vs-jujutsu-kaisen-7-0-0.178092/post-7045996

This is only Giyuu’s feats but the hashiras are either comparable or superior to him such in skill like Gyomei

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Currently on the team profile, they have Yushiro’s blindfolds as a team equipment which can turn them all invisible

 

[DavidTPPM]

Currently on the team profile, they have Yushiro’s blindfolds as a team equipment which can turn them all invisible

Mori has the eyes of truth which can see invisible energy coming from different spacetime continuums so he should be fine.

• Extrasensory Perception, Automatic Translation, Superhuman Precision & X-Ray Vision (The Eyes of Truth allows Mori to see the flow of energy, accurately target objects thousands of kilometers away,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Dan#cite_note-ch415-19"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> understand unknown languages, and see through objects<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Dan#cite_note-ch210-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a>)

Even in base he can see stuff like souls, minds, information, etc so simple invisibility is not hiding from his EoT.

Here’s a good summary of the Hashiras skills.

Post in thread 'Giyu Tomioka Vs Yuta Okkotsu (Demon Slayer Vs Jujutsu Kaisen) [7-0-0]'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/giyu-...r-vs-jujutsu-kaisen-7-0-0.178092/post-7045996

This is only Giyuu’s feats but the hashiras are either comparable or superior to him such in skill like Gyomei

Speed reading through this it doesn't really seem to measure up to Mori, although their numbers advantage would definitely make up for the a skill gap at least to an extent.

I'll explain the Mori side a moment

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Speed reading through this it doesn't really seem to measure up to Mori, although their numbers advantage would definitely make up for the a skill gap at least to an extent.

Make that 8 people. This dude is going to be found dead in a ditch in the first second of the fight

 

[Arkenis]

I can't be the only one who see this shit right?

Lifting Strength: At least Class Z (Lifted half of Yeoui in his ear for years), Multi-Stellar via extending Yeoui (Comparable to Mori Hui, who used Yeoui to push Jupiter back into orbit alongside Daewi Han)

Or this

Interstellar with Yeoui

Does he not use it in his first key?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I can't be the only one who see this shit right?

Lifting Strength: At least Class Z (Lifted half of Yeoui in his ear for years), Multi-Stellar via extending Yeoui (Comparable to Mori Hui, who used Yeoui to push Jupiter back into orbit alongside Daewi Han)

Or this

Interstellar with Yeoui

Does he not use it in his first key?

Nah shinobu can handle that frfr

 

[DavidTPPM]

So here's a quick breakdown of the most basic info about Mori.

Analytical skills: Mori can instantly tell a person's weakness just by looking at them. He's also capable of instantly understanding complex abilities, instantly finding ways to counter them, and even copying and improving them after a single glance. He can also predict the moves of his opponents with so much accuracy it let him keep up and overwhelm someone with literal future sight. All of these without any supernatural sight, and here he has the eyes of truth which grant

Extrasensory Perception, Automatic Translation, Superhuman Precision & X-Ray Vision (The Eyes of Truth allows Mori to see the flow of energy, accurately target objects thousands of kilometers away, understand unknown languages, and see through objects)

All of which would amplify his analytical skills even further.

Martial arts: Mori uses a perfected version of renewal taekwondo. Even standard renewal is already good enough to make a regular soldier match 20-50 soldiers just by knowing the martial art. Moris perfected version combines it with several other high level martial arts in order to make up for its last 3 weaknesseswhile also greatly expanding his moveset. On top of this Mori has achieved the state of recoiless with at least one attack and is on the verge of achieving it with his entire moveset. Recoiless is such a complex and perfect state of an attack that even characters with instantaneous copying skills took around 3 million attempts to simply learn one recoiless move. Even in the past Mori could fight geniuses who were more knowledgeable on his martial arts and abused their weaknesses to completely negate it, and end up adapting and outskilling them anyway. Even his simple fighting style is so effective it serves as a 3x multiplier by combining offense and defense into a single concept.
There's a lot more to it and his profiles intelligence sections mention stuff I didn't go over so I advise reading those if you want to know more.
Quick note: Mori here has over 80 million years of experience. I'm mentioning this because you mentioned experience, although I believe experience on its own doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I can't be the only one who see this shit right?

Lifting Strength: At least Class Z (Lifted half of Yeoui in his ear for years), Multi-Stellar via extending Yeoui (Comparable to Mori Hui, who used Yeoui to push Jupiter back into orbit alongside Daewi Han)

Or this

Interstellar with Yeoui

Does he not use it in his first key?

He uses Yeoui if necessary although he usually doesn't extend it more than few meters, kilometers at best. (he also straight up doesn't have interstellar range, that's an outlier I've been meaning to remove for months lmao)

Basically Yeoui is just a super heavy stick Mori can use if he needs to.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Basically Yeoui is just a super heavy stick Mori can use if he needs to.

do you think dan would do the same thing as ragnarok jin and just straight throw it at people expecting them to catch it

 

[DavidTPPM]

do you think dan would do the same thing as ragnarok jin and just straight throw it at people expecting them to catch it

Lmao yeah he'd probably chuck it at one of them the moment he realizes they can't lift it.

But given the Hashiras have some solid analysis abilities they probably wouldn't let their hands be ripped off like that

 

[Arkenis]

Does he just grab people? Cause Class Z LS he'd literally throw any of them kms away no?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Does he just grab people? Cause Class Z LS he'd literally throw any of them kms away no?

He grapples people so he could try to dislocate or break their arms and legs but he doesn't really throw people away otherwise. At least he never had a reason to

 

[Johner2133451]

I rechecked the Hashira profile but uh does this effect the fight

Weaknesses: They hate Giyu

 

[Arkenis]

I rechecked the Hashira profile but uh does this effect the fight

Weaknesses: They hate Giyu

If Mori throws the staff they'll push giyu to catch it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If Mori throws the staff they'll push giyu to catch it

LMAO

I rechecked the Hashira profile but uh does this effect the fight

Weaknesses: They hate Giyu

Ok so context. That was put there as a joke inside of the sandbox and we forget to remove it in the final publish LOL. Honestly that weakness looks funny as hell out of context to be removed. It was based off of a hashira interview where some of them were talking crap about Giyu

 

[DavidTPPM]

Lmao what did poor Giyu do

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Lmao what did poor Giyu do

He’s actually genuinely sad when Obanai talks crap

 

[Johner2133451]

So here's a quick breakdown of the most basic info about Mori.

Analytical skills: Mori can instantly tell a person's weakness just by looking at them. He's also capable of instantly understanding complex abilities, instantly finding ways to counter them, and even copying and improving them after a single glance. He can also predict the moves of his opponents with so much accuracy it let him keep up and overwhelm someone with literal future sight. All of these without any supernatural sight, and here he has the eyes of truth which grant

All of which would amplify his analytical skills even further.

Martial arts: Mori uses a perfected version of renewal taekwondo. Even standard renewal is already good enough to make a regular soldier match 20-50 soldiers just by knowing the martial art. Moris perfected version combines it with several other high level martial arts in order to make up for its last 3 weaknesseswhile also greatly expanding his moveset. On top of this Mori has achieved the state of recoiless with at least one attack and is on the verge of achieving it with his entire moveset. Recoiless is such a complex and perfect state of an attack that even characters with instantaneous copying skills took around 3 million attempts to simply learn one recoiless move. Even in the past Mori could fight geniuses who were more knowledgeable on his martial arts and abused their weaknesses to completely negate it, and end up adapting and outskilling them anyway. Even his simple fighting style is so effective it serves as a 3x multiplier by combining offense and defense into a single concept.
There's a lot more to it and his profiles intelligence sections mention stuff I didn't go over so I advise reading those if you want to know more.
Quick note: Mori here has over 80 million years of experience. I'm mentioning this because you mentioned experience, although I believe experience on its own doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Hm so do you think Mori wins here?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Hm so do you think Mori wins here?

Should we wait for @Catbowtieto show up since he’s the main KNY defender in Makima Vs Muzan, Muzan Vs Sukuna, and Hashiras Vs Sukuna

 

[Johner2133451]

Should we wait for @Catbowtieto show up since he’s the main KNY defender in Makima Vs Muzan, Muzan Vs Sukuna, and Hashiras Vs Sukuna

Catbowtie, hope of demon slayer lol

You should direct message him then

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Catbowtie, hope of demon slayer lol

You should direct message him then

Bunch of KNY profiles caught a W because of him. He’s also sleeping rn

 

[DavidTPPM]

Hm so do you think Mori wins here?

So far I'm inclined to believe so. He's already been shown fighting far more than 9 trained war veterans at once and absolutely steamrolled them while purposely nerfing himself in base.

So Mori seems to be both significantly more skilled, has a decent physical advantage, and has experience fighting many people at once (although admittedly with less teamwork than the Hashira). At this point in the thread it feels like he should comfortably win.

But I'm open to seeing possible arguments in favor of the Hashira if there are any.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

But I'm open to seeing possible arguments in favor of the Hashira if there are any.

Yeah we would have to wait for @Catbowtie

 

[Johner2133451]

So far I'm inclined to believe so. He's already been shown fighting far more than 9 trained war veterans at once and absolutely steamrolled them while purposely nerfing himself in base.

So Mori seems to be both significantly more skilled, has a decent physical advantage, and has experience fighting many people at once (although admittedly with less teamwork than the Hashira). At this point in the thread it feels like he should comfortably win.

But I'm open to seeing possible arguments in favor of the Hashira if there are any.

The speed advantage seems gonna be the main problem for Mori

 

[DavidTPPM]

The speed advantage seems gonna be the main problem for Mori

For like 0.3 seconds yeah.
Mori was 8x slower than Jung and by the time he threw 5 kicks he ended up speed blitzing him. With this being on the lower end of his RE feats. Depending on how much he's pushed he can grow to catch up MUCH faster