2025 JJK Upgrade CRT

[MrTayman616]

I think it's spaghettification= stretching by gravity
So even the pull would signify spaghettification
I also heard it covers a wide range

No.

Her nose also seems to have those pull lines as well and they're all pointing to the same place

I think it's more plausible that she's getting pulled as well

She's the center. It's her mass that increases.

Edit : Btw, i'll leave it to staff, since it came to page 11.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

No.

She's the center. It's her mass that increases.

Yeah but it's pulling her as well hence affecting her

Edit : Btw, i'll leave it to staff, since it came to page 11.
.

Okay thanks for your input and time

 

[MrTayman616]

Btw, the reasoning for saying "No" is because it simply isn't. As Pulling just signify the existence of Gravity, But not spaghettification.

Ok, i'm done now :d

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Btw, the reasoning for saying "No" is because it simply isn't. As Pulling just signify the existence of Gravity, But not spaghettification.

Ok, i'm done now :d

But he got stretched with his eyes and face getting distorted
It's stretching

Oh okay then

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Scales to the AP of what specifically? Don't tell me it's his physicals or something...

Dawg, we already used Gojo's earthquake feat (the old and incorrect version) for Gojo's physicals and currently still do use the old version for it for scaling and vsthreads
Scaling Gojo from HIS FEAT for his A.P. and dura just makes sense

 

[Epyriel]

I though we were going to wait for more mods to weigh in, but fine.

Black holes don't need and do exist without accretion disk. Accretion disks come from the continuous consumption of matter forming the disk around them, whereas isolated blacks with nothing around them to continuously consume do not have them. Given than Yuki's black hole consumed only a small amount for a brief moment and was halted from consuming more it makes sense for it to not have one.

So it having one or not is a mute point in terms of it being a balck hole or not

Okay
But said black hole doesn't have an accretion disk

Black holes only don’t have accretion disks when they don’t have any matter to gather around them.

This one is literally being spawned on the surface of the planet.

Realistically it would immediately pull in its surroundings in a burst of aggregate matter. If you are claiming there isn’t enough time to do so, of that it is too limited to do so, that just bring us back to the original contention of it either being too weak and too slow to actually he considered a black hole already, or it being too suppressed for Kenjaku to scale to the full force of a black hole even if that was what it is already.

It wouldn't be black then

It has literally as much reason to be black as a real black hole. This argument is a wash.

 

[Tago238]

He managing to resist doesn't help much, it'll instead be like this:

Initial black hole at a distance = Kenjaku physicals = Yuki physicals with low star rage output > Yu > initial black hole at a closer distance > initial black hole at a distance = Kenjaku physicals = ...

Yuki on the ground with 1 hand, 1 HAND, with that alone she could grab Kenjaku and NOT being pulled inside it, even managing to yap all while having half her body. Kenjaku on the other hand having trouble even resisting the force itself, so yeah it is quite contradicting considering physically they performed quite the same (Kenjaku even shown to be better than Yuki tbh)

And it's not like Yuki is adding more force to Kenjaku either, she only grabbed one of his leg, meanwhile his upper body seems to still having trouble keeping up with the pulling force

What does this mean? What managing to exist for like a second? The black hole? I don't get what you're trying to say by this one.

He literally only has to regain his footing seemingly once the black hole is much larger. Moving an arm and living for a tiny bit just, uh, doesn't mean much.

I think anyone who has read the chapter and isn't too discourse brained would find this a pretty forced nitpick.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I though we were going to wait for more mods to weigh in, but fine.



Black holes only don’t have accretion disks when they don’t have any matter to gather around them.

And also when the falling matter doesn't have angular momentum

This one is literally being spawned on the surface of the planet.

Protected by the barrier of tengen to prevent it from destroying earth

Realistically it would immediately pull in its surroundings in a burst of aggregate matter. If you are claiming there isn’t enough time to do so, of that it is too limited to do so, that just bring us back to the original contention of it either being too weak and too slow to actually he considered a black hole already, or it being too suppressed for Kenjaku to scale to the full force of a black hole even if that was what it is already.

Not if it it's being controlled
And it was already spaghettifying it's surroundings already so it's fine

Don't know why you guys are trying to be hyper literal and make everything realistic, most black holes in fiction don't even pass this level of scrutiny

Even on the black hole page this requirement isn't there and the page already notes a correct depiction cannot be expected

It has literally as much reason to be black as a real black hole. This argument is a wash.

Don't understand this statement
Are you agreeing with me or not?

 

[Epyriel]

And also when the falling matter doesn't have angular momentum

Not true, surrounding matter would be compressed and spun through the black hole’s own gravity pulling surrounding material into collision with other material. Existing angular momentum is unnecessary.

Protected by the barrier of tengen to prevent it from destroying earth

There is zero proof of Tengen protecting the ground and air literally around where Kenjaku is standing and somehow sculpting him out of it with perfect precision (and yet abandoning this effort a second later when we see the black hole’s area of effect limited to a far larger circle around him), this is going back into incredibly dubious fanfic territory.

Not if it it's being controlled

Once again if it was being controlled to limit its force on the surroundings that would invalidate the calc as know you cannot assume Kenjaku’s was resisting its full force.

And it was already spaghettifying it's surroundings already so it's fine

No more than a non-black hole with the mass of a small moon would.

Don't know why you guys are trying to be hyper literal and make everything realistic, most black holes in fiction don't even pass this level of scrutiny

I assure you I disagree with any other calc that also cannot pass the very basic level of scrutiny of not matching neither the speed nor the DC nor the shape of a black hole especially when there is such a narratively likely alternative explanation.

Even on the black hole page this requirement isn't there and the page already notes a correct depiction cannot be expected

That page explicitly states a depicted black hole must follow at least the basic rules of a black hole to be calculated as such.

Don't understand this statement
Are you agreeing with me or not?

I am saying my alternative explanation matches up to visual expectation of colour exactly as well as your black hole does in your scenario.

Which is essentially a layman’s predictions of how ultra-condensing material would look like (black instead of the realistic portrayal of compressed material being drawn into the source of gravity being incredibly bright).

Which makes the argument a wash, as you cannot discount my explanation on this basis without also invalidating your own.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Not true, surrounding matter would be compressed and spun through the black hole’s own gravity pulling surrounding material into collision with other material. Existing angular momentum is unnecessary.

That might be true but not always necessary

If the central object is a solid body, matter can fall directly onto that body and come to a sudden stop. This would be an example of a “mechanical barrier” – the central object’s surface prevents matter from falling any further, just as the earth’s solid surface keeps us from falling right into the center of our home planet. If the central body is a black hole, matter can fall directly towards the black hole’s horizon and into the black hole, never to be seen again. In both cases, matter takes a straight plunge.

But this is by no means the only possibility – in fact, it is the exception rather than the rule. Usually, matter will be in motion even before it is close enough for the central object to exert a significant pull. Unless this motion is directed exactly towards the central object – a special case, and thus very rare – there will be a component of sideways motion, and if that component is large enough, the falling matter will not hit the central object, but go past it

They're exceptions not all black holes spin thier food

And this isn't even a requirement on the black hole page so why are you pushing this argument?

There is zero proof of Tengen protecting the ground and air literally around where Kenjaku is standing and somehow sculpting him out of it with perfect precision (and yet abandoning this effort a second later when we see the black hole’s area of effect limited to a far larger circle around him), this is going back into incredibly dubious fanfic territory.

My brother in Christ we have a statement that he's protecting the black hole from destroying the earth

Unless the earth isn't all that, it's inherently subsumed

Of course Kenjaku was excluded we've seen barrier pull those type of ***** before

And if tengen was protecting kenjaku he wouldn't have been surprised about him being alive

Once again if it was being controlled to limit its force on the surroundings that would invalidate the calc as know you cannot assume Kenjaku’s was resisting its full force.

It was being limited from leaving the barrier and destroying the earth

Kenjaku wasn't given that luxury

No more than a non-black hole with the mass of a small moon would.

Cool
Don't know why you're telling me this when the narrative points to a black hole

I assure you I disagree with any other calc that also cannot pass the very basic level of scrutiny of not matching neither the speed nor the DC nor the shape of a black hole especially when there is such a narratively likely alternative explanation.

Yeah put those requirements in the Vsbw page for black holes then you can do that

That page explicitly states a depicted black hole must follow at least the basic rules of a black hole to be calculated as such.

Yes

Nothing like shape there

I am saying my alternative explanation matches up to visual expectation of colour exactly as well as your black hole does in your scenario.

No it doesn't
You stated it can be black due to artistic licence

Which is essentially a layman’s predictions of how ultra-condensing material would look like (black instead of the realistic portrayal of compressed material being drawn into the source of gravity being incredibly bright).

Yeah which is not what's narratively being pointed to hence irrelevant

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

It has come to the point that people are holding black hole in jjk to standards not outlined in the VSBW page

A page that outlines that not every black hole can be accurately depicted

What's even worse is that we have a statement and a panel explaining what a black hole is

 

[Epyriel]

That might be true but not always necessary

They're exceptions not all black holes spin thier food

As I have already said, the black holes without a glow are those that aren’t near any substantial amount of material.

In this case it is literally surrounded by material which would immediately be pulled inwards and compressed, it doesn’t need to orbit it or anything like that, sheer compression would make this immediate compression of material akin to a flashbang.

My brother in Christ we have a statement that he's protecting the black hole from destroying the earth

Unless the earth isn't all that, it's inherently subsumed

Of course Kenjaku was excluded we've seen barrier pull those type of ***** before

And if tengen was protecting kenjaku he wouldn't have been surprised about him being alive

It was being limited from leaving the barrier and destroying the earth

Kenjaku wasn't given that luxury

If this were true he would literally be stopping the gravity of the black hole in front of Kenjaku from reaching him whether he wants to or not. This is not the effect of a domain’s technique he is modifying the target of, it is a literal source of immense gravity right in front of Kenjaku, if he blocks it everywhere except where Kenjaku is, then the black hole’s gravity will have no way to reach him.

And conveniently when the black hole actually finishes forming, we see a perfect cutoff of its most intense area of effect where Tengen’s barrier is presumably concentrated. Not to mention Tengen has literally no reason to concentrate his barrier right around Kenjaku.

I’m not going to entertain this fanfic anymore.

Cool
Don't know why you're telling me this when the narrative points to a black hole

Yeah which is not what's narratively being pointed to hence irrelevant

The narrative points pretty explicitly to an increasing gravitational pull that eventually forms a black hole.

Which very neatly transitions from a scene that doesn’t match at all the characteristics of a black hole but instead an increasingly buildup of density and corresponding increase in gravity until all at once it collapses straight into a black hole that suddenly meets the characteristics of a black hole much more suitably in a single panel (as you would expect from the rapid collapse of a black hole).

No it doesn't
You stated it can be black due to artistic licence

An artistic licence you also have to appeal to for literally the same reason.

And this isn't even a requirement on the black hole page so why are you pushing this argument?

Yeah put those requirements in the Vsbw page for black holes then you can do that

Yes

Nothing like shape there

It has come to the point that people are holding black hole in jjk to standards not outlined in the VSBW page

A page that outlines that not every black hole can be accurately depicted

What's even worse is that we have a statement and a panel explaining what a black hole is

I swear this is like the 3rd time I’ve had to post this quote:

While a completely correct depiction can not be expected, some basic laws have to be followed.

The page doesn’t list the properties of a black hole. A black hole’s shape, gravity, and speed of gravity, are literally the most basic properties to look for you can imagine. And it fails all three.

I swear you are being obstinate on purpose at this point.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

In this case it is literally surrounded by material which would immediately be pulled inwards and compressed, it doesn’t need to orbit it or anything like that, sheer compression would make this immediate compression of material akin to a flashbang.

And?
Meaning it isn't an accurate black hole which isn't needed for something to be accepted as a black hole on this site

If this were true he would literally be stopping the gravity of the black hole in front of Kenjaku from reaching him whether he wants to or not. This is not the effect of a domain’s technique he is modifying the target of, it is a literal source of immense gravity right in front of Kenjaku, if he blocks it everywhere except where Kenjaku is, then the black hole’s gravity will have no way to reach him.

Barriers can selectively apply things

And conveniently when the black hole actually finishes forming, we see a perfect cutoff of its most intense area of effect where Tengen’s barrier is presumably concentrated. Not to mention Tengen has literally no reason to concentrate his barrier right around Kenjaku.

Where point it out

I’m not going to entertain this fanfic anymore.

You're literally writing fanfic to push a black hole to be artistic licence

The narrative points pretty explicitly to an increasing gravitational pull that eventually forms a black hole.

It doesn't
The narrative points to a black hole being already formed
That's was the whole point of tengen distracting Kenjaku

Which very neatly transitions from a scene that doesn’t match at all the characteristics of a black hole but instead an increasingly buildup of density and corresponding increase in gravity until all at once it collapses straight into a black hole that suddenly meets the characteristics of a black hole much more suitably in a single panel (as you would expect from the rapid collapse of a black hole).

It transition to a panel which black holes are explained and then transitioned to a scene with Kenjaku resisting it

An artistic licence you also have to appeal to for literally the same reason.

I swear this is like the 3rd time I’ve had to post this quote:


The page doesn’t list the properties of a black hole. A black hole’s shape, gravity, and speed of gravity, are literally the most basic properties to look for you can imagine. And it fails all three.

I swear you are being obstinate on purpose at this point.

Your quote shows laws but you speak about properties

A black hole shape isn't a law bro

It has gravity strong enough to spaghettify so no that's wrong



Anyways I'm done with this argument
The Mods can check and give Thier verdict

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Peak

Proof that Yuta is top 2

Bum is Kenny, Yuki and Yuji victim but let's not talk about that here

This is fair and I admit that never got into my mind, however Yuki was closer to the black hole than Kenjaku and she's still really fine, despite again, being Yu/ki at the moment.

I think you're not fully understanding what I said or what the manga has shown. The thing is, Yuki was still alive even after the black hole started growing. That's why Kenjaku says the world was saved thanks to her willpower, Tengen's barriers, and his own Domain Expansion buff with anti-gravity. Yuki creating black holes suggests that she's durable enough to survive it from distance.

The scaling chain from what I saw would be like this (ignore the final black hole):

Initial black hole at a distance > Kenjaku physicals = Yuki physicals with low star rage output > Yu >initial black hole at a closer distance > initial black hole at a distance > ...

Both doesn't scale to the Black hole itself but to the force they survived.

I'm not mentioning about the later black hole feat though?

Wym? She doesn't need to say it for us to know that Kenjaku would be cooked, he got hit by 1 of Yuki's normal star rage punch and got his arm wrecked and sent flying away.

Quick rant also: Yuki could've ended Kenjaku if she decided to turn Garuda into a black hole and dipped, sucks that she didn't.

They don't scale to the Black hole. It was a gamble also.

They should be relative physically. While there are no feats of him damaging her physically (obviously why would he try to attack her physically when he has better choice), their performance were even physically (I'd argur that Kenjaku was even more durable than Yuki is, given that his mini-uzumaki could one shot her, while her mass punch normally wouldn't gravely injure him). Yuki can't dominate in a fight against Kenjaku (even with Choso's help) with her star rage output being low meaning that they can't be that far off in physical strength, and we also know that in JJK physical stats scales quite evenly, you don't usually have a large gap between physical AP, Dura and speed, there ain't even a physical speedster (the type that's super fast but has ass dura) in JJK. In fact even after having healed all of her previous injuries (or at least most of it), with her star rage output being low and she can't achieve a good starting speed, she was shown to struggle even damaging Kenjaku and even lost to him moments after Choso was removed from the battle.

I also forgot that, despite also having Kenjaku wearing a weight so heavy, she could barely keep up with him even with Choso's support (and of course, comes with my rant about how Yuki didn't go black hole mode here smh smh Yuki is kinda dumb, also what is "slowed star rage down" bro I thought she could just add it up to infinity, stuff doesn't make any sense at all)

All of these points mean nothing. You should read Tengen’s words—he said he bought time for the Split Yuki to generate the black hole. This is unlike the situation where the injured Yuki had to constantly pressure Kenjaku without any break or time to build up her Cursed Technique output.

Let me make this clear what I'm saying

Black hole > Kenjaku and Yuki Durability from certain distance from it > Force they survived from that distance.

This is what even calculated in the Blog. I don't think anyone is claiming Kenjaku scales to the blackhole itself. Maybe some miscommunication happened here.

How I'm calcing this is finding the gravitational force between Kenjaku and the Black Hole.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Almost no staff is gonna check a CRT 11 pages long of people arguing about the same point since like page 3. Jeez man can y'all chill?

 

[Giannysmag]

Almost no staff is gonna check a CRT 11 pages long of people arguing about the same point since like page 3. Jeez man can y'all chill?

Actually true, even I haven't really been paying attention since like page 5

 

[Da3ggman]

Again, can we just close this? It’s obvious this thread is going nowhere.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Almost no staff is gonna check a CRT 11 pages long of people arguing about the same point since like page 3. Jeez man can y'all chill?

You're right
We apologize

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Again, can we just close this? It’s obvious this thread is going nowhere.

Yes

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Yes

This was supposed to be a scaling and upgrade thread but it seems we got carried away

@Arkenis should we close and open another one?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

This was supposed to be a scaling and upgrade thread but it seems we got carried away

@Arkenis should we close and open another one?

You think this won’t happen again in the next CRT?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

You think this won’t happen again in the next CRT?

So we should wait for mods?
I'm fine with either one

This thread have already been clogged with mostly irrelevant arguments and messages, might be hard for them to read and see arguments from both sides

We maybe should wait and post the disagreements and counters in the OP

 

[Damage3245]

What about the removing Low 7-C section? Have there been any disagreements on that?

 

[PowerToScale]

Black holes only don’t have accretion disks when they don’t have any matter to gather around them.

This one is literally being spawned on the surface of the planet.

Realistically it would immediately pull in its surroundings in a burst of aggregate matter. If you are claiming there isn’t enough time to do so, of that it is too limited to do so, that just bring us back to the original contention of it either being too weak and too slow to actually he considered a black hole already, or it being too suppressed for Kenjaku to scale to the full force of a black hole even if that was what it is already.

Or maybe it didn't absorb everything around itself instantly and violently as you would have liked it was because Yuki was preventing it from doing so just like how it was stated in the story. idk why you are just ignoring the story, but we have a literal reason on why the black hole did not just destroy everything around itself.

"original contention of it either being too weak and too slow to actually he considered a black hole already" or maybe you are just continuing to ignore aspects of the story that explain why certain things are happening to keep pushing a point that doesn't work.

You are more so fighting the author/story at this point, he could call you up and tell you its a black hole and you would still say "Nuh uh"

 

[PowerToScale]

What about the removing Low 7-C section? Have there been any disagreements on that?

I think that part was overshadowed by everyone focusing on the upgrade part, haven't seen any discussions on it

 

[Epyriel]

Or maybe it didn't absorb everything around itself instantly and violently as you would have liked it was because Yuki was preventing it from doing so just like how it was stated in the story. idk why you are just ignoring the story, but we have a literal reason on why the black hole did not just destroy everything around itself.

"original contention of it either being too weak and too slow to actually he considered a black hole already" or maybe you are just continuing to ignore aspects of the story that explain why certain things are happening to keep pushing a point that doesn't work.

You are more so fighting the author/story at this point, he could call you up and tell you its a black hole and you would still say "Nuh uh"

As before:

Congratulations, you have just invalidated the entire calc.

If the reason the environmental effects don’t line up with a black hole’s gravitational force is because Yuki is suppressing it, then you cannot then turn around and calc Kenjaku’s resistance as if he were resisting its full force.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

@Arkenis This probably needs to go to the OP with the way this is going

 

[PowerToScale]

As before:

Not really as limiting the size and range would not affect the strength of a black. The black hole has a base strength relating to it size and mass, Yuki limiting the affect area whether it's through its size or control of its effects wouldn't automatically make it weaker.

this is like arguing a dragon ball characters attacks are weaker because they can limit it's range, size and destructive effects.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Not really as limiting the size and range would not affect the strength of a black. The black hole has a base strength relating to it size and mass, Yuki limiting the affect area whether it's through its size or control of its effects wouldn't automatically make it weaker.

this is like arguing a dragon ball characters attacks are weaker because they can limit it's range, size and destructive effects.

And plus why would tengen be surprised with Kenjaku's survival if he was also being protected?

 

[Epyriel]

Not really as limiting the size and range would not affect the strength of a black. The black hole has a base strength relating to it size and mass, Yuki limiting the affect area whether it's through its size or control of its effects wouldn't automatically make it weaker.

this is like arguing a dragon ball characters attacks are weaker because they can limit it's range, size and destructive effects.

That also doesn’t work because it doesn’t explain why the ground right around Kenjaku is only beginning to crack.

If she limits the range beyond Kenjaku then it fails to explain the lack of effect around him, but if she limits its force even where Kenjaku is then you invalidate the calc’s assumption that he is resisting its full force.

 

[PowerToScale]

That also doesn’t work because it doesn’t explain why the ground right around Kenjaku is only beginning to crack.

If she limits the range beyond Kenjaku then it fails to explain the lack of effect around him, but if she limits its force even where Kenjaku is then you invalidate the calc’s assumption that he is resisting its full force.

Big strong gravity make ground crack because big strong gravity too strong for ground? This then cause it break into smaller pieces as it gets pulled in. This doesn't disprove anything, it only showcases that the gravitational force of a black hole, like most would expect, would cause the ground to around the black hole to crack as it's being pulled in

 

[Epyriel]

Big strong gravity make ground crack because big strong gravity too strong for ground? This then cause it break into smaller pieces as it gets pulled in. This doesn't disprove anything, it only showcases that the gravitational force of a black hole, like most would expect, would cause the ground to around the black hole to crack

The problem is that the small cracks in the pavement are the only environmental effects while Kenjaku has an entire monologue.

The calculated gravitational acceleration is over 12 quadrillion times that of Earth. Yet is only cracking the pavement.

Do you see the issue yet?

 

[Giannysmag]

The problem is that the small cracks in the pavement are the only environmental effects while Kenjaku has an entire monologue.

The calculated gravitational acceleration is over 12 quadrillion times that of Earth. Yet is only cracking the pavement.

Do you see the issue yet?

To add to this, when the Black Hole actually forms it instantly creates a huge crater below it and pulls in the entire area

 

[PowerToScale]

The problem is that the small cracks in the pavement are the only environmental effects while Kenjaku has an entire monologue.

The calculated gravitational acceleration is over 12 quadrillion times that of Earth. Yet is only cracking the pavement.

Do you see the issue yet?

Not really, as it does more than just crack, as it breaks it down as it it's pulling it in. As we see in makes a crater within its range that Yuki and Tengen allowed, so no. it did not just crack the ground

Now, you are having an issue with the rate this happens. Not everything can or will be to your expected liking. You have an issue with the feat and are creating this impossible standard (even more so than the wiki's) to it meet which is having the black hole destroy everything instantly. but not everything is 100%, none of the BH ones especially. The point is that VSBW does not expect everything to be 100%, even though the black did more than just crack the ground.

This is fiction not everything is going to be 100%, you take what you can get. Plus feats have been accepted for even less of a realistic portrayal across the wiki

 

[Jaynic1]

The problem is that the small cracks in the pavement are the only environmental effects while Kenjaku has an entire monologue.

The calculated gravitational acceleration is over 12 quadrillion times that of Earth. Yet is only cracking the pavement.

Do you see the issue yet?

Pavement? Dont you mean tengen's barrier. And said barrier was capable of stopping a blackhole the size of a building form affecting earth at all so I dont see how it not completely folding the barrier while its barely human sized is an antifeat.

 

[Epyriel]

Not really, as it does more than just crack, as it breaks it down as it it's pulling it in. As we see in makes a crater within its range that Yuki and Tengen allowed, so no. it did not just crack the ground

Now, you are having an issue with the rate this happens. Not everything can or will be to your expected liking. You have an issue with the feat and are creating this impossible standard (even more so than the wiki's) to it meet which is having the black hole destroy everything instantly. but not everything is 100%, none of the BH ones especially. The point is that VSBW does not expect everything to be 100%, even though the black did more than just crack the ground.

This is fiction not everything is going to be 100%, you take what you can get. Plus feats have been accepted for even less of a realistic portrayal across the wiki

Expecting a black hole with over forty times the mass of the Earth to do more than crack the ground is an impossible standard?

 

[Epyriel]

Pavement? Dont you mean tengen's barrier. And said barrier was capable of stopping a blackhole the size of a building form affecting earth at all so I dont see how it not completely folding the barrier while its barely human sized is an antifeat.

Ah yes, the elusive barrier that must block the gravity of the black hole from affecting every part of the surroundings except Kenjaku’s own volume, and somehow still let the gravity pass through said barrier to reach him in the first place without affecting the air and ground in front of him that it must travel through, yet still immediately fails when a more realistic black hole actually forms (which ends up neatly limited in a perfect sphere which would represent an appropriate outline for where his barrier was concentrated the entire time)?

Call me a biased downplayer if you must, but somehow this seems rather implausible compared to the alternative.

 

[Jaynic1]

Ah yes, the elusive barrier that must somehow block the gravity of the black hole from affecting every part of the surroundings except Kenjaku’s own volume, and somehow still let the gravity pass through said barrier to reach him in the first place without affecting the air and ground in front of him that is must pass through, yet still immediately fails when a more realistic black hole actually forms (which ends up neatly limited in a perfect sphere which would represent an appropriate outlying for where his barrier was concentrated the entire time)?

Call me a biased downplayer if you must, but somehow this seems rather implausible compared to the alternative.

I didnt say all that. Part of your contention seems to be that the alleged black hole didnt destroy the "pavement" but this "pavement" was strong enough to practically negate a much larger black hole from affecting outside the barrier.

 

[Epyriel]

I didnt say all that. Part of your contention seems to be that the alleged black hole didnt destroy the "pavement" but this "pavement" was strong enough to practically negate a much larger black hole from affecting outside the barrier.

If the barrier was concentrated in blocking the gravity of the black hole even in front of where Kenjaku is standing, then the gravity wouldn’t be able to reach him in the first place.

More realistically it was always concentrated in the outline we see in the later panel when the black hole actually forms.

 

[PowerToScale]

Expecting a black hole with over forty times the mass of the Earth to do more than crack the ground is an impossible standard?

It does do more than that, it literally absorbs a portion of the ground into itself, just not the entire planet as it was prevent from doing so by Yuki and Tengen.

So if the standard for you that it has to do more than just crack the ground it does. It meets all of the wiki's too.