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Big day for JJK fans around the world
.7-A
Alright so recently this calc for Kenjaku was accepted.
Now a couple things to get out the way: For one, NO, this is not Kenjaku using the base gravity technique to neutralize the gravity, that specifically happens after and is explicitly something Kenjaku implies was a last decision-gamble sorta moment. We also see his clothes are ripped off afterwards & not during the moment. Also he's literally resisting it on panel.
Secondly, this feat is of a weakened Kenjaku, as stated by Yuki, his cursed energy was chipped away, and his body was weakened. I have an issue with scaling 10+ characters to Kenjaku, but it is what it is, and I think I have a good remedy. Characters like Yuta, Hakari, Kashimo, Choso, Todo, Ryu, Uro, Miguel, etc, can scale to it, while Kenjaku, at full health, will scale to High 7-A+ baseline and Yuki as well. Before you disagree, the value for the calc is 430.92 Megatons, which would make both only 2.322x stronger. "But but why?!" Kenjaku is viewed in a higher status several times, as a person who can't be beaten by conventional means, viewed several times as being on Sukuna and Gojo's level.
Yes, we know, characters can be wrong, their views can be faulty. This isn't meant as a solidification of Kenjaku ~ Gojo & Sukuna. It is meant to show Kenjaku is viewed above everyone else.
Moving on, we have Mechamaru's years worth of output being directly stated to be on the level of special grade output, which also reaches 7-A. So our special grades like Yuki, Kenjaku, Gojo, Yuta, and Geto all scale and is consistent with higher ends of special grades. Addressing some counters: For one, no, just because Mechmaru's attacks don't show a mountain being destroyed does not invalidate the multiplier. Look at basically any character with 5-B ap and them not busting through the planet with every hit. The multiplier is completely fine within the verse, for one it's directly tied to Kenjaku's remark of Special Grades output regularly, it would be erroneous for us to ignore a blatant statement for Mechamaru reserving his CE which resulted in years worth of it. This is basic math, adding and subtracting, not some exponential increase he randomly got. Secondly, the verse is not shy from giving us energy in terms of timeframe and multipliers. Gojo is able to sustain a nation, logically this would be over time and our accepted calc grants 1 year, Gojo's Red is more than double the ce of Blue, Black Flash infamously is a hit^2.5.
It should be clear, but as we know Special Grades aren't equal. Kenjaku’s statement specifically refers to Special Grade sorcerers, as it's being performed by a sorcerer. It's established that Semi-Grade 1 and Grade 1 sorcerers already operate at the level of Special Grade curses. There's examples like Nanami, Kusakabe, Mei Mei, Todo, Naobito, etc, all capable of fighting and harming special grades. Therefore, if Kenjaku were referring to special grade in general, it would contradict the impressiveness of Mechamaru’s output.
Please do not discuss scaling people like Naobito, Dagon, Mahito, SHIBUYA YUJI, etc. I don't need to explain that it would reduce the scaling to a puddle of nonsense or that we're told Special Grade curses are vaguely above cluster bombs and that first grades are slightly above them. Please do not bring up Domains, we already have a note stating why we don't scale characters to domains, and this upgrade doesn't magically make the scaling logical.
"But but BUT!! Sukuna has over 2x Yuta's curse energy! He's stronger!" If everyone's fine with it, Sukuna and Gojo can be scaled to baseline Island level 4.3 Gigatons due to scaling significantly above both Yuta & Kenjaku.
So scaling will be based off this or more if anyone wants to add to the pages.
Choso (Should downscale to 100 Megatons through the fact he was destroyed by Kenjaku's curses, which Kenjaku made seem like a pathetic thing. His piercing blood is strong enough that Kenjaku mitigated its damage with a redirection trick instead of tanking it)
Yuta (Arguably, I can see scaling straight to Kenjaku as he cut Kenjaku's head off, though it's a somewhat weakened Kenjaku and off guard ridiculously well)
Yuji (Arguably stronger than Yuta, especially after his awakening, but circumstances make that moot)
Hakari, Uraume, Kashimo (Essentially Hakari, Kashimo, Uraume would have vague scaling higher than Yuta if decided due to the on a roll statement and their feats on each other of course. If not, scale to Mechamaru calc)
Ryu (For very obvious reasons)
Uro (For very obvious reasons. Physically though, she can downscale to 100 megatons since her feats are through TIB and thus aren't backed up by much)
Yorozu (For obvious reasons, she's on par with the highest of the Heian and I have no problem with saying she's on Kenjaku's level)
Miguel (Fought Sukuna for a short time)
Maki & Toji (Obvious reasons)
Cursed Naoya (In Mach 3)
Kusakabe, Ino, Higuruma (All trained and should the very least downscale to 100 megatons)
Jogo (Considered the strongest of the disaster curses and also stated strong by Sukuna compared to who he's fought before. Contrary to popular belief, the Hanami being more durable statement was incorrect translations, it's about Jogo taking those hits to a vital spot, not in general. Jogo also implies the attacks wouldn't graze him)
Geto (Pretty contentious since he's notably scalable to prior year Yuta but I've kinda addressed the idea he's holding back so it can be a possibly or just not applicable to him)
"What about finger scaling!? I wanna scale off fingers!" We can discuss it. Though I want to say, it is very obvious the fingers have different power as the first FB was weaker than the OOB FB and Yuji generally shows a lack of control of the fingers CE noting to lack ce and not having much.
Support For 7-A
For people iffy on such scaling, here are several calcs supporting the upscale.
We have Mai's bullet and sword creation feats which come to H7c and 7B respectively.
Inumaki's Earthquake calc gets to H7C (basically L7B) and is accepted. I'm aware this can be used for scaling but I think we can probably discuss the calc further as I've noticed Yuta comments on it being another earthquake after Inumaki had already did his ct and we see Geto pull out curses which could have been the cause.
And lastly the LS upgrade would apply to them all as well. Not much to say, I don't think any antifeats are present to contradict them being Class P, even if it's a pretty crazy class for the verse, we've seen crazier LS for other verses.
Moving onto lower scales and removal.
Removing Low 7-C
Yeah so we've talked about this before and we even had a thread for removing one of these feats for L7C here with several cgms agreeing the calc shouldn't be using vap and thus greatly drops the results making it unusable for higher tier scales. Gojo powering a nation should also be removed. I've explained it before, I'll drop my explanation again. In case anyone brings it up, the recordings were in September 2018 not February 2018. So yeah both these need to be removed.
8-B+
This has been something I've had a problem with for a while, this calc (Mahito Crater) and this one (Body Repel) should not be used for scaling several characters and I'll go over why. It could be something we overlooked, but the body repel is done by a 120% Mahito, and is not an individual "attack" but is Mahito launching numerous trans humans. And we see Yuji and Todo attack them separately, not in one blow. So we shouldn't scale them to it. At most, I can see us scaling Black Flash since Yuji's full power one was enough to mess up Mahito. The crater one is pretty damn obvious, Yuji, arguably the strongest sorcerer in Shibuya, was unable to do anything to Mahito, needed maximum energy BF and was stated he would've been torn apart by him. So yeah, no scaling people to Mahito's literal greatest feats.
So everyone with a 8-B+ rating shouldn't have it, and instead should scale to these calcs. 25 Tons, 27 Tons.
You may find most calcs upgrading the verse here.
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