JJK: Mid tiers rescaling

[Qurbonboev]

Most JJK mid tiers use Mahito feats that are now deemed invalid for scaling.

It's time to change this.


Relevant feats:

First Finger Bearer blast - 15.31 tonnes

Mechamaru flame cannon - 17.924 tonnes

Second Finger Bearer blast - 25.43 tonnes

Kusakabe deflects Uzumaki - 60.53 tonnes

Now, for scaling (I will add scans only on case if profile lacks relevant parts)

Following guys would scale to Mechamaru flame cannon (17.924 tonnes):

Panda - Survived Flame Cannon, albeit with major damage

Mechamaru - Fought against Panda

Mahito (vs Mahito arc) - As Special grade should be stronger than semi grades like Mechamaru

Yuji Itadori (vs Mahito arc) - Can take hits from Mahito and damage him. Was chosen as distraction for Todo, instead of Panda or Megumi

3F Sukuna - Grievously injured Mahito

Following characters (and abilities) would scale to Second Finger Bearer blast (25.43 tonnes):

Eso - is a special grade Death Painting. Was sent to retrieve Sukuna fingers.

Kechizu - is a special grade Death Painting. Was sent to retrieve Sukuna fingers.

(Their mission require them to be at least relative to Finger bearers. They were sent to this mission by Kenjaku and Mahito, who should be able to accurately access power of curses)

Megumi - Damaged Second FB with a kick, while domain amped. Base should scale to 25.43/120*100 = 21.19 tonnes

Yuji Itadori (from Kyoto event onward) - Have grown tremendously due to Todo training and Hanami fight. Achieved Black Flash, which increases one understanding of cursed energy. Badly damaged Eso and Kechizu shortly after Kyoto Godwill event.

(There is obviously more stuff for him later on. But I currently only need to make foundation for his scaling)

Nanami - Grade 1 sorcerer. Has equal striking power to Yuji during Shibuya incident

Kusakabe - Grade 1 sorcerer. Considered to be strongest Grade 1 sorcerers among those not in the clane. Should be relative physically to Nanami, thought has less horsepower

Mei Mei - Grade 1 sorcerer. Similar to Nanami has more "horsepower" than Kusakabe

Todo - Comparable to Yuji

Choso - Fought against Yuji

Naoya - Comparable to Choo

Nobara (with technique) - Can damage Eso, Kechizu and Mahito with technique

Jinichi and Ogi Zenin - Special Grade 1 sorcerers. Which is the same as grade 1 sorcerer


Characters(and abilities) that would scale to higher values:

Kusakabe (with Simple Domain) - Deflected Kenjaku Maximum Uzumaki - 60.53 tonnes

Naobito - Dagon directed 70% of domain power towards him, compared to 30% for Nanami - 25.43*70/30 = 59.34 tonnes

Dagon - Stronger than Naobito - 59.34 tonnes

Todo (with playful clouds) - dishes out similar damage to Yuji Black Flashes

Hanami - Can take Black Flashes from Yuji, and Playful clouds strike from Todo - 63.575 tonnes

Megumi (with Totality) - can damage casual Hanami

Mahito (Shibuya Incident) - Todo estimated that 80% of Mahito is enough to keep him and Yuji at bay - 25.43*100/80 = 31.79 tonnes. Realised 120% of his potential - 38.15 tonnes. ISBDK in
creased his toughness by 200% - 114.45 tonnes (only durability)

Somewhat contentious:

Jogo would have died from 5 black flashes on top of Todo Playful Cloud strikes. So he would need to be either upscaled from 25.34 tonne, or downscaled from 59.34 tonnes (maybe to 8B+).


I didn't list values with Black flash(x2.5 boost) or Domain(x1.2 boost) here, since they are mostly redundant here

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Portrayed as being comparable with Nanami while fighting Mahito together with him.

This is because Yuji can actually damage soul not because he is comparable to Nanami. This Yuji was weaker than Todo overall.

 

[Qurbonboev]

This is because Yuji can actually damage soul not because he is comparable to Nanami. This Yuji was weaker than Todo overall.

"Relative" would have been better word.
Both Nanami and Yuji can damage Mahito, but ordinarily only damage from Yuji hits lingers on. Nanami hits stronger, but there is no big difference.
If you still disagree, feel free to give another line of scaling for vs Mahito arc Yuji (maybe to Mechamaru and Panda, maybe to first finger bearer). Regardless, it would only change scaling for:
Yuji in vs Mahito arc
Mahito in that arc
3F Sukuna (it would be interesting to have 3f as weaker than most first grades)

 

[Ozcantabak]

Naobito - Dagon directed 70% of domain power towards him, compared to 30% for Nanami - 25.43*70/30 = 59.34 tonnes

Dagon - Stronger than Naobito - 59.34 tonnes

Jogo would have died from 5 black flashes on top of Todo Playful Cloud strikes. So he would need to be either upscaled from 25.34 tonne, or downscaled from 59.34 tonnes (maybe to 8B+).

Shouldn't Dagon be 25.43*100/30=84.76 tons ? But this is him in his domain so his base would be 84.76*100/120 = 70.63 tons.
This way Jogoat can just scale to 59.34 tons.

Hanami - Can take Black Flashes from Yuji, and Playful clouds strike from Todo - 63.575 tonnes

What do you think about Divine Dog totality potentially scaling to this ? It does cut Hanami and Megumi even acknowledges this when he beats second FB, but Hanami does say its arm was injured.
Speaking of Megumi, he should scale to second FB in his domain and his base can scale to 25.43*100/120 = 21.19 tons.

I think i agree with everything else.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

"Relative" would have been better word.
Both Nanami and Yuji can damage Mahito, but ordinarily only damage from Yuji hits lingers on. Nanami hits stronger, but there is no big difference.
If you still disagree, feel free to give another line of scaling for vs Mahito arc Yuji (maybe to Mechamaru and Panda, maybe to first finger bearer). Regardless, it would only change scaling for:
Yuji in vs Mahito arc
Mahito in that arc
3F Sukuna (it would be interesting to have 3f as weaker than most first grades)

The thing is Yuji mentioned he would have died from Todos strike if it was for not the curse getting in middle. Also your own OP has Yuji getting strong enough to equal Nanami striking power in Shibuya arc so scaling them relative doesn't make sense in vs Mahito arc. Maybe better to scale him above Mechamaru and Panda.

 

[Sus]

jogo upscales from 3F sukuna and other disaster curses
hanami is simply more durable than she is strong

 

[Arkenis]

Idk why u made this. There's other stuff that needs recalcing and more fleshed out support for the scaling.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Shouldn't Dagon be 25.43*100/30=84.76 tons ? But this is him in his domain so his base would be 84.76*100/120 = 70.63 tons

He needed 30% of domain power to overwhelm Nanami, not 30% of his base stats.

What do you think about Divine Dog totality potentially scaling to this

I checked. They already scale to Nanami. Will add them here.

Speaking of Megumi, he should scale to second FB in his domain and his base can scale to 25.43*100/120 = 21.19 tons.

Huh, I am forced to give him another W.

Maybe better to scale him above Mechamaru and Panda.

Something along the lines of "Can hit and take hit from Mahito (vs Mahito arc), who should be stronger than semi grades, like Mechamaru" sounds fine to you?

jogo upscales from 3F sukuna and other disaster curses
hanami is simply more durable than she is strong

Jogo main strength is fire manipulation, and I am not touching it directly here.

Idk why u made this. There's other stuff that needs recalcing and more fleshed out support for the scaling.

1. What stuff(relevant for this thread) needs recalcing?
2. 3 8-B calcs is good enough support

 

[Arkenis]

1. What stuff(relevant for this thread) needs recalcing?

Well just having more calcs is the relevant part. Rodriigo recalced Mechamaru's blast being like 40 tons. Mahito's crater feat, you've forgotten to add it here even if only he scales, it supports the number you got with the percentage multipliers.

2. 3 8-B calcs is good enough support

That isn't support if its the only thing scaling them lol.

Jogo and Hanami shouldn't even be included here either.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Well just having more calcs is the relevant part. Rodriigo recalced Mechamaru's blast being like 40 tons. Mahito's crater feat, you've forgotten to add it here even if only he scales, it supports the number you got with the percentage multipliers.

1. Mahito crater feat recalc is whooping 0.33 tons.
2. Rodriiogo recalced it at Small Town level. (He def made mistake somewhere)

That isn't support if its the only thing scaling them lol.

It's two scaling calcs and one support calc.

Jogo and Hanami shouldn't even be included here either.

Idk what this supposed to mean. To what Hanami (and Jogo dura) would scale to?

Regardless, only reason I am doing this now, is that you did think that calcs were enough to make proper CRT.
If you changed your mind on this, I will ask for this to be closed

 

[Ozcantabak]

He needed 30% of domain power to overwhelm Nanami, not 30% of his base stats.

Okay thats what i said too, 30% of his domain power is 25 tons than a 100% of his domain would be 84 tons, and his base would be 20% less than his domain.

Rodriigo recalced Mechamaru's blast being like 40 tons.

That was small town level, tho it could even be higher since vaporization of soil is getting buffed.

 

[Arkenis]

It's two scaling calcs and one support calc.

I guess.

Idk what this supposed to mean. To what Hanami (and Jogo dura) would scale to?

Not this.

Regardless, only reason I am doing this now, is that you did think that calcs were enough to make proper CRT.

Forgot that. Alright but Jogo and Hanami should realistically be removed.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Forgot that.

Alright but Jogo and Hanami should realistically be removed

So, should I close it or nah?
I am honestly ambivalent at this point

 

[Arkenis]

Nah leave it open. Leave Jogo's ap alone, I'll make a Jogo crt soon to go over his scale, Hanami and Jogo's durability are fine to stay.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Okay thats what i said too, 30% of his domain power is 25 tons

This is reasoning I disagree with. Domains can be much stronger than their wielder, for variety of factors. 50% of Malevolent Shrine would damage Gojo much more than just normal physical hits by Sukuna would, just by virtue of sheer mass of attacks.

 

[Ozcantabak]

This is reasoning I disagree with. Domains can be much stronger than their wielder, for variety of factors. 50% of Malevolent Shrine would damage Gojo much more than just normal physical hits by Sukuna would, just by virtue of sheer mass of attacks.

Yeah thats true.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Something along the lines of "Can hit and take hit from Mahito (vs Mahito arc), who should be stronger than semi grades, like Mechamaru" sounds fine to you?

Originally Panda was supposed to fight Todo but they picked Yuji. You can put that as a explanation.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Most of this seems fine from what I can tell. Maybe a few changes to some wording like the Yuji being equal to Nanami based on Mahito thing but for the most part it’s fine.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Originally Panda was supposed to fight Todo but they picked Yuji. You can put that as a explanation.

Most of this seems fine from what I can tell. Maybe a few changes to some wording like the Yuji being equal to Nanami based on Mahito thing but for the most part it’s fine.

Changed Yuji (vs Mahito arc) justifications a bit

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Changed Yuji (vs Mahito arc) justifications a bit

Looks good

 

[Qurbonboev]

Looks good

I forgot that we have Hei members profiles now.
What to do with them? They are practically featless (Ogi low diffs incomplete Maki and would get low diffed by Naobito, what else?). Can I just put them at same level as other 1 grades. Or conservatively, just upscale from Mechamaru (semi grade 1)?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I forgot that we have Hei members profiles now.
What to do with them? They are practically featless (Ogi low diffs incomplete Maki and would get low diffed by Naobito, what else?). Can I just put them at same level as other 1 grades. Or conservatively, just upscale from Mechamaru (semi grade 1)?

They’re probably fine to just scale to the other grade 1s. Though if you want to be conservative, you could just do “At least city block level (scales above semi grade 1 mechamaru as special grade 1), possibly/likely higher (likely/potentially on the same level as other grade 1s like Nanami and Kusakabe)”

 

[Shey]

Mahito (Shibuya Incident) - At 40% fought against 100% Todo - 25.43*100/40 = 63.575 tonnes.

Why does Soul HP correlate with Attack Power here ?

 

[Arkenis]

I forgot that we have Hei members profiles now.
What to do with them? They are practically featless (Ogi low diffs incomplete Maki and would get low diffed by Naobito, what else?). Can I just put them at same level as other 1 grades. Or conservatively, just upscale from Mechamaru (semi grade 1)?

Likely above since the big three have members stronger than Nanami, Mei Mei and Kusakabe

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Likely above since the big three have members stronger than Nanami, Mei Mei and Kusakabe

Only Naobito lol. Others feats doesn't match them

 

[Ozcantabak]

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[Qurbonboev]

Why does Soul HP correlate with Attack Power here ?

Shape of the soul determines shape of body. Weaker soul > weaker body

 

[Shey]

Shape of the soul determines shape of body. Weaker soul > weaker body

What's the correlation between the Soul's HP and the shape it takes?

 

[Qurbonboev]

What's the correlation between the Soul's HP and the shape it takes?

For this specific example, there is none.
Reasoning is:
Change of Soul reflects in the body:
Mahito changing shape of the soul changes bodies
Receiving soul damage (Sukuna injuring Mahito, Nobara Resonance, SSK) greatly harms targets and makes them weaker.
Thus, less health does your Soul have, weaker you are.

In case you still disagree with this, there is this line of scaling:
Mahito clone can keep Yuji and Todo at bay. Todo based on this estimates it at 80% strength of original. So full strength of Mahito should be at 100/80 = x1.25 of Yuji and Todo.

What do you think?

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[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

For this specific example, there is none.
Reasoning is:
Change of Soul reflects in the body:
Mahito changing shape of the soul changes bodies
Receiving soul damage (Sukuna injuring Mahito, Nobara Resonance, SSK) greatly harms targets and makes them weaker.
Thus, less health does your Soul have, weaker you are.

In case you still disagree with this, there is this line of scaling:
Mahito clone can keep Yuji and Todo at bay. Todo based on this estimates it at 80% strength of original. So full strength of Mahito should be at 100/80 = x1.25 of Yuji and Todo.

What do you think?

Hmm, personally I'd rather go with the other line of scaling you provided honestly considering upon further thinking, the scaling in the OP also implies that Yuji is 4x stronger than Mahito normally and 10x stronger than Todo which is sort of odd.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Hmm, personally I'd rather go with the other line of scaling you provided honestly considering upon further thinking, the scaling in the OP also implies that Yuji is 4x stronger than Mahito normally and 10x stronger than Todo which is sort of odd.

I to do find this odd. So there is arguments for why this shouldn't apply to Yuji straightforwardly, from here:
"Yuji has the advantage of having his strong physical body even without Cursed Energy, it's why even when he had 0 Cursed energy against Higuruma in CG he was still full on even above a regular Grade 1 level. Mahito analyzes his strength via his soul which is where HIS entire power comes from but not Yuji's. However I do also wanna note that this Yuji also doesn't full on scale to 40% Mahito, both him and Todo together were still struggling with 80% of that 40% Mahito's power when he divided himself yet again (which would be only 32% of FP Mahito's power, once again, making the Nanami with Dagon domain 30% consistent)."

If you still find interpretation of percentages as just soul hp indicators more consistent, I will edit scaling line (thankfully It influences only Mahito)

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I to do find this odd. So there is arguments for why this shouldn't apply to Yuji straightforwardly, from here:
"Yuji has the advantage of having his strong physical body even without Cursed Energy, it's why even when he had 0 Cursed energy against Higuruma in CG he was still full on even above a regular Grade 1 level. Mahito analyzes his strength via his soul which is where HIS entire power comes from but not Yuji's. However I do also wanna note that this Yuji also doesn't full on scale to 40% Mahito, both him and Todo together were still struggling with 80% of that 40% Mahito's power when he divided himself yet again (which would be only 32% of FP Mahito's power, once again, making the Nanami with Dagon domain 30% consistent)."

If you still find interpretation of percentages as just soul hp indicators more consistent, I will edit scaling line (thankfully It influences only Mahito)

I still feel it's safer to just assume that it's more related to their soul hp rather than their physical stats since if we're going to use it to say that the body is the soul and that's why Mahito should scale, even discounting CE, Yuji's body/soul would still have to be like 10x that of Todo and 4x that of Mahito for it to work directly.

 

[Qurbonboev]

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Changed Mahito scaling

 

[Ozcantabak]

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[Ozcantabak]

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[Ozcantabak]

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