JJK Downgrade CRT 2025

[Buraqibear]

Big day for JJK haters around the world

Divine Flame Calc Removal​

So This calc for Sukuna's divine flame is currently accepted, but there is a problem with it, a few in fact. With the biggest one being that it assumes that Divine Flame reaches beyond the radius of Divine Flame, which is not true as it was stated that the the particles from Malevolent Shrine's dust spread to every inch of the Domain and the resulting explosion kills everything INSIDE the Domain, no sign of it reaching past the Domain, and if Divine Flame could go past Malevolent Shrine's radius, it would've fried Megumi Fushiguro in Shibuya since he was only 5 meters away from Malevolent Shrine's radius, Sukuna undertook a binding vow specifically to avoid killing Megumi. This basically debunks the whole calc as the vaporization outside of the 200 meter radius never occurred, therefore, I ask for this calculation to be removed and recalced.

Earthquake Calc Removal​

Then comes this calc, the leading force behind Gojo Satoru and Ryomen Sukuna being Large Town level right now, In chapter 221, upon Gojo Satoru being unsealed, an Earthquake is felt by the main cast way far away from where Gojo was unsealed, the calculation assumes it was Gojo who caused this Earthquake and that does seem likely since Yuji says the Earthquake can't be a coincidence, but there is no confirmation that Gojo was indeed the one who caused this Earthquake, earthquakes are extremely common in Japan, even of Magnitudes 4 - 4.9 so it could've very well been a coincidence, and we do not know how exactly Gojo could've caused this, or if he did it physically or with his Cursed Technique, for all we know he could've used Red, which is a shockwave to do it, so it's best for this calculation to just be removed. Since there are too many variables about it. Instead, both Gojo and Sukuna should get downgraded to Small Town level likely far higher at 1.32 Kilotons of TNT from this calc of Gojo being stated to power a nation.

High Tiers Downgrade​

Currently, the high tiers are accepted to be Small Town level from Gojo powering a nation, this calc shouldn't apply to anyone except Gojo and Sukuna as it was a statement about Gojo Satoru who is at the pinnacle of the verse rivaled only by Sukuna, the high tiers (Yuta Okkotsu (All keys), Suguru Geto (Adult key), Miguel Odoul, Kinji Hakari (Jackpot key), Yuji Itadori (Shinjuku key) Yorozu, Ryomen Sukuna (15 Finger key), Uro Takako, Ryu Ishigori, Kenjaku, Uraume), should upscale greatly from Instant Spirit Body of Distorted Killing Mahito who scales to 171.62 Tons of TNT from 200% of his power with his base state scaling to 85.81 tons of TNT from this, so, the high tiers should get down graded from Small Town level to Multi-City Block level.

High Tiers Speed Downgrade​

Currently, all high tiers are being scaled to this calc of Awakened Teen Gojo blitzing Toji Fushiguro making all of them Supersonic physically, scaling to Mach 1.44 this is wrong because it’d only apply to his combat speed. All the high tiers instead should down scale from Mach 0.82 at Subsonic+ from being slower than Naobito Zen'in as he is stated to be the second fastest Sorcerer thanks to his Cursed Technique, Projection Sorcery increasing his speed, this technique allowed Naoya Zen'in, someone slower than Naobito to outspeed and outmaneuver fully restricted Maki who could blitz Special Grade 1 level Sorcerer's such as her dad, Ogi. No, awakened Maki after gaining her 'freedom' did not get faster, she merely gained the ability of semi-precognition and air grappling like Toji. One might argue that this does not apply to Yuta Okkotsu seeing was overseas and Yuki Tsukumo as Jujutsu Tech had no information about her, I say otherwise as even though Yuta was overseas, Jujutsu Tech still had enough knowledge about his growth to grant him the special grade sorcerer rank, which is not something they hand out like candy as even especially gifted Sorcerers like Naobito himself and Kinji Hakari weren't given that rank, so Naobito's statement still applies to Yuta as the Culling Games started just a few days after the Shibuya Incident, this would also scale Yuki below Naobito's speed as she is stated to be on Yuta's level and doesn't have any special speed scaling or ability for speed. So, every high tier shall be downgraded to Subsonic+ in travel speed, Supersonic in combat speed with Supersonic+ reaction speeds.

Credits to that one guy who brought the Sukuna divine flame calc inconsistency up in the discussion thread.

Mod votes:

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Chariot190]

Then comes this calc, the leading force behind Gojo Satoru and Ryomen Sukuna being Large Town level right now, In chapter 221, upon Gojo Satoru being unsealed, an Earthquake is felt by the main cast way far away from where Gojo was unsealed, the calculation assumes it was Gojo who caused this Earthquake and that does seem likely since Yuji says the Earthquake can't be a coincidence, but there is no confirmation that Gojo was indeed the one who caused this Earthquake, earthquakes are extremely common in Japan, even of Magnitudes 4 - 4.9 so it could've very well been a coincidence, and we do not know how exactly Gojo could've caused this, or if he did it physically or with his Cursed Technique, for all we know he could've used Red, which is a shockwave to do it, so it's best for this calculation to just be removed. Since there are too many variables about it. Instead, both Gojo and Sukuna should get downgraded to Small Town level likely far higher at 1.32 Kilotons of TNT from this calc of Gojo being stated to power a nation.

While I agree it's vague. Literally nobody would write in dismissing it as a coincidence, tie it to a character, and make it blatant it's caused by him and happen at the same time. It isnt a coincidence, the fact they even bring it up means it isn't.
Be fair now.

The fact it's vague should make it just a possibly tho, not flatout.

 

[Gamecooob]

So This calc for Sukuna's divine flame is currently accepted, but there is a problem with it, a few in fact. With the biggest one being that it assumes that Divine Flame reaches beyond the radius of Divine Flame, which is not true as it was stated that the the particles from Malevolent Shrine's dust spread to every inch of the Domain and the resulting explosion kills everything INSIDE the Domain, no sign of it reaching past the Domain, and if Divine Flame could go past Malevolent Shrine's radius, it would've fried Megumi Fushiguro in Shibuya since he was only 5 meters away from Malevolent Shrine's radius, Sukuna undertook a binding vow specifically to avoid killing Megumi. This basically debunks the whole calc as the vaporization outside of the 200 meter radius never occurred, therefore, I ask for this calculation to be removed and recalced.

If it's true, OK. But uh, the result won't change that much from Large Town lol.

High Tiers Speed Downgrade

This is where I have to step in and just say "no".

The burden of proof is kinda on you to prove that he used Blue here in the first place. Like, ya can't just dismiss this whole calc just because "oh, Gojo can use Blue to amp his movements, so this is invalid!!!", no, did he use Blue there? We don't know, or it's just not implied at all? Occams razor and he just didn't use it, especially considering that he pretty much only used Blue to amp his movement in Shinjuku.

Plus, even if he used blue (lets give you the benefit of the doubt), legit every top-tier would scale ABOVE this Teen Gojo who did this feat. You deadass can't argue, say, 15f Sukuna is slower than Teen Gojo with Blue Amp for example lol.

 

[Buraqibear]

If it's true, OK. But uh, the result won't change that much from Large Town lol.

Sure, but it wouldn't scale to anyone's physicals. And as long as it's lower, it's fine

This is where I have to step in and just say "no".

The burden of proof is kinda on you to prove that he used Blue here in the first place. Like, ya can't just dismiss this whole calc just because "oh, Gojo can use Blue to amp his movements, so this is invalid!!!", no, did he use Blue there? We don't know, or it's just not implied at all? Occams razor and he just didn't use it, especially considering that he pretty much only used Blue to amp his movement in Shinjuku.

Plus, even if he used blue (lets give you the benefit of the doubt), legit every top-tier would scale ABOVE this Teen Gojo who did this feat. You deadass can't argue, say, 15f Sukuna is slower than Teen Gojo with Blue Amp for example lol.

Teen Gojo IS above high tiers physically, or at least in speed. I mean, he literally blitzed Toji, a high tier lmao. Sukuna can be an exception since he could blitz other high tiers with just 16 fingers

 

[Buraqibear]

While I agree it's vague. Literally nobody would write in dismissing it as a coincidence, tie it to a character, and make it blatant it's caused by him and happen at the same time. It isnt a coincidence, the fact they even bring it up means it isn't.
Be fair now.

The fact it's vague should make it just a possibly tho, not flatout.

There's also the fact that seismic waves travel at 8 km/s tops which would've taken a while to reach everyone on the surface, about 40 seconds, but the Earthquake arrived way sooner so it likely was a coincidence.

 

[Gamecooob]

Sure, but it wouldn't scale to anyone's physicals. And as long as it's lower, it's fine

It already didn't scale to anyones physicals but ok. And uh, the amount of "lowering" the feat is gonna have is gonna be superficial, sorry to say.

Gojo CAN use Blue to increase his speed or even potentially use short distance teleportation, and well, if you say otherwise that'd just scale this Gojo above High Tiers in physicals, he no diffed Toji, and Maki who's Toji level could actively keep up with a weakened 20F Sukuna and get complimented directly by a 16F Sukuna (he was relatively fine physically, he said he was fine physically) So regardless, he'd scale above high tiers physically.

Did he increase his speed as a Teen? Has he ever been shown to do that? No? Then we can't assume he did it here. (though @LaserPrecision could argue this point better than me)

A "weakened 20f Sukuna" cooked Maki with 1 hit. And compliments don't really matter here as that same Sukuna when he had 15 fingers also said Jogo was strong, and we can't scale Jogo to 15f sukuna can we?

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

There's also the fact that seismic waves travel at 8 km/s tops which would've taken a while to reach everyone on the surface, about 40 seconds, but the Earthquake arrived way sooner so it likely was a coincidence.

"Coincidence"

Pls quit the nonsense. U can argue outlier all you want but that is in no way intended as coincidence.

 

[Buraqibear]

It already didn't scale to anyones physicals but ok. And uh, the amount of "lowering" the feat is gonna have is gonna be superficial, sorry to say.

Dawg all I care about is downgrading it. It might impact some future matchups.

Did he increase his speed as a Teen? Has he ever been shown to do that? No? Then we can't assume he did it here. (though @LaserPrecision could argue this point better than me)

I mean, sure. It just means Awakened Teen Gojo is faster than the high tiers

A "weakened 20f Sukuna" cooked Maki with 1 hit. And compliments don't really matter here as that same Sukuna when he had 15 fingers also said Jogo was strong, and we can't scale Jogo to 15f sukuna can we?

With 1 Black Flash* "Yuji cooked Mahito with 1 hit" ahh. Sukuna just said "Stand proud, you're strong" to Jogo, but he was freaking out against Maki and actually showing excitement, + he directly called her good and she got through his 16F Sukuna's defense and landed a direct hit on his face (Watch me get crucified for saying Maki scales to 15-16 Finger Sukuna physically)

 

[Chariot190]

There's also the fact that seismic waves travel at 8 km/s tops which would've taken a while to reach everyone on the surface, about 40 seconds, but the Earthquake arrived way sooner so it likely was a coincidence.

No it wasn't.
No manga would have an earthquake happen at a pivotal plot point, say it's likely due this character, and actively say it can't be a coincidence.
Just to have it be a coincidence anyway but never actually confirm or imply it was a coincidence afterward, writing doesnt work like that, in fact they wouldn't have put it in at all let alone dismiss your very claim, if he wasn't involved.

A slight delay is fine in chronological time, them reacting like a minute later still means it was him. Or if anything that could increase the values if the waves were higher in velocity. All the same, i'll give you it's vague and shouldn't be used as a solid value, possibly AT BEST. But it's absolutely tied to him as the root cause in one way or another, saying otherwise would shift the burden onto you to prove it.

 

[Buraqibear]

"Coincidence"

Pls quit the nonsense. U can argue outlier all you want but that is in no way intended as coincidence.

Sure, it's an outlier too but it's more so a coincidence

 

[Chariot190]

"Coincidence"

Pls quit the nonsense. U can argue outlier all you want but that is in no way intended as coincidence.

Yeah nah Gojo def did it, no way about it. The question isnt who or why it happened, but how at this point.

 

[Buraqibear]

No it wasn't.
No manga would have an earthquake happen at a pivotal plot point, say it's likely due this character, and actively say it can't be a coincidence.
Just to have it be a coincidence anyway but never actually confirm or imply it was a coincidence afterward, writing doesnt work like that, in fact they wouldn't have put it in at all let alone dismiss your very claim, if he wasn't involved.

A slight delay is fine in chronological time, them reacting like a minute later still means it was him. Or if anything that could increase the values if the waves were higher in velocity. All the same, i'll give you it's vague and shouldn't be used as a solid value, possibly AT BEST. But it's absolutely tied to him as the root cause in one way or another, saying otherwise would shift the burden onto you to prove it.

It's Gege. He would. We didn't receive confirmation that he did it so it didn't happen because of him

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Currently, all high tiers are being scaled to this calc of Awakened Teen Gojo blitzing Toji Fushiguro making all of them Supersonic physically, scaling to Mach 2.26, this is wrong because Gojo Satoru has access to high speed movements with the help of his Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue allowing him to increase his speed

Blue doesn't increase your movement speed at all. This has been debunked by Kusakabe in chapter 226 already... He literally disagrees with Hakari and corrects him.


Moreover HI arc talks about teleportation too and this is through Blue. Kenjaku even talks about it and we do infact GET a visual of this which is via Gojo clasping his hand to do it.
Granted Kenjaku is wrong for saying it is high speed, to be precise he was retconned. Though I'd even say that Gege was unsure and flopping between teleportation and what not in regards to Blue but then after he hired T-san to help him with Limitless this was fixed.


Which takes us to chapter 226.

Also again as we see against Sukuna in the second chapter of JJK Manga, Gojo clasps his hand to use Blue. Both long range and short range is the same btw (incase anybody tries to argue this)

 

[Chariot190]

It's Gege. He would.

Not an argument, prove it.
All that matters is what the manga shows, it's why DoA is a thing, even if in this case Gege's intent is still, in my opinion, obviously not what you're claiming.

We didn't receive confirmation that he did it so it didn't happen because of him

Other way around, everything points to it being him and they actively dismiss it as a coincidence, as in, your very claim of it being a coincidence is one of the few confirmed pieces of info to be touched upon.

Burden of proof is on you here, prove it was completely random and every character was wrong and it just so happened to occur miraculously at that exact instance.

You can get a possibly, but your argument is conjecture dismissed by the source material itself.

 

[Gamecooob]

It's Gege. He would. We didn't receive confirmation that he did it so it didn't happen because of him

... yeah nah. This is a non-argument.

With 1 Black Flash* "Yuji cooked Mahito with 1 hit" ahh

Black flashes are deadass unreliable and unquantifiable. Besides, 20f weakened sukuna is unquantifiable and confusing, hence why Yuta & them don't scale to High 7-C along with Gojo.

"Stand proud, you're strong"

Yeah. Compliment's dont matter.

but he was freaking out against Maki and actually showing excitement, + he directly called her good

That's the Heavenly Restriction nonsense. He couldn't sense her so he just got confused as ****. And also, uh, he was fighting a 2v1 where he was deadass toying with them, they only got like what, 2-3 hits in? Plus, Sukuna only got entertained by Maki because she managed to take a punch from him. That's it. Doesn't scale to "physicals" at all lol they weren't doing shit. Again, compliment's dont matter from Sukuna here.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Yeah nah Gojo def did it, no way about it. The question isnt who or why it happened, but how at this point.

Yeah that's what I mean
Though we do see Gojo’s jacket shredded oddly enough. Arguably. It can be purple because Purple in Ch235 did hit Gojo too and his clothing was damaged. But it wouldn't make sense because he says that it is his first time doing a nuke one aka blowing himself up with Purple. Unless Kenjaku had something that bypasses infinity but even that wouldn't be enough due to the sheer difference in dura.

So it's probably:
1. Purple but not as a nuke(?)
2. Red but formed like a blast
3. Gojo throwing out a pure CE blast energy like how the finger bearer, Ryu and Yuta have done.

But ultimately it's still vague. But Purple is the most solid one because it is gassed up as #1 in Power and destructive power. Limitless is said to be non-standard in power and Purple too etc etc. Point is, Purple is the strongest in his arsenal and the one actually that has the power to do what happened here simply going off of Gege glazing Purple as > any other CT. But shrug. Not gonna bother arguing about that

 

[LaserPrecision]

Dawg all I care about is downgrading it. It might impact some future matchups.

This part is a joke, right?

 

[Gamecooob]

yeah this CRT ain't it. (except maybe for the first point, but the results of that would be superficial at best)

plus the JJK goons offsite would cook this site more than they are doing rn if we got JJK to small town

 

[PowerToScale]

Earthquake Calc Removal​

Then comes this calc, the leading force behind Gojo Satoru and Ryomen Sukuna being Large Town level right now, In chapter 221, upon Gojo Satoru being unsealed, an Earthquake is felt by the main cast way far away from where Gojo was unsealed, the calculation assumes it was Gojo who caused this Earthquake and that does seem likely since Yuji says the Earthquake can't be a coincidence, but there is no confirmation that Gojo was indeed the one who caused this Earthquake, earthquakes are extremely common in Japan, even of Magnitudes 4 - 4.9 so it could've very well been a coincidence, and we do not know how exactly Gojo could've caused this, or if he did it physically or with his Cursed Technique, for all we know he could've used Red, which is a shockwave to do it, so it's best for this calculation to just be removed. Since there are too many variables about it. Instead, both Gojo and Sukuna should get downgraded to Small Town level likely far higher at 1.32 Kilotons of TNT from this calc of Gojo being stated to power a nation.

Just commenting on this because it wrong. The Earthquake was because of Gojo escaping it. This is obvious to the framing of the manga to the real world understanding of the Japanese Earthqaukes. We can see that directly after when Gojo escapes the earthquake happens, with Kenjaku even mentioning that the he destroyed the cursed spirits watching him there in the subduction zone. The subduction zone being the place that tectonic plates converge and diverge causing the seismic activities that result in earthquakes. The Japan Trench is one main causes for the earthquakes in Japan, with seismic activity coming in Japan occurring along the subduction zone.

Now Gojo is located in the same place that the is the major causes for Japan, specifically in the area were the tectonic plates are located and him escaping that area shifting the plates would causes an earthquake. This is shown through the framing of the scene as it directly happens in the same scene as him escaping with character confirmation.

• Earthquake occurs with Gojo's release
• Yuji providing the exposition to the scene clearly linking it to Gojo's doing
• Kenjaku providing exposition that Gojo was located in the the Japan trench at the subduction zone
• The Japan Trench being the location of of the fault line that is the main cause of earthquakes in Japan
• Gojo located directly in the subduction zone that the plates converge/diverge

Can't be anymore clearer than that

 

[Chariot190]

Dawg all I care about is downgrading it. It might impact some future matchups.

Absolutely last thing you should have admitted. We want accuracy, that's what we do.
Downgrading because you think it's wrong? Completely fine.
Downgrading just to downgrade because of matches? Awful, bad, report worthy even, it's the anti thesis to what we're supposed to do. Your downgrade could be 100% legit and it wouldn't matter if it's only legit by accident and your intent was the former.

Im going to get some mods to weigh in on this now, obviously we can keep discussing the points in case they MIGHT be legit but that's sus dude, stop that.

 

[PowerToScale]

Yeah that's what I mean
Though we do see Gojo’s jacket shredded oddly enough. Arguably. It can be purple because Purple in Ch235 did hit Gojo too and his clothing was damaged. But it wouldn't make sense because he says that it is his first time doing a nuke one aka blowing himself up with Purple. Unless Kenjaku had something that bypasses infinity but even that wouldn't be enough due to the sheer difference in dura.

So it's probably:
1. Purple but not as a nuke(?)
2. Red but formed like a blast
3. Gojo throwing out a pure CE blast energy like how the finger bearer, Ryu and Yuta have done.

But ultimately it's still vague. But Purple is the most solid one because it is gassed up as #1 in Power and destructive power. Limitless is said to be non-standard in power and Purple too etc etc. Point is, Purple is the strongest in his arsenal and the one actually that has the power to do what happened here simply going off of Gege glazing Purple as > any other CT. But shrug. Not gonna bother arguing about that

Purple is overkill, firing off a purple even as a none nuke would cause a bigger problems that a simple earthquake

more so a red or a blue orb

 

[PowerToScale]

Absolutely last thing you should have admitted. We want accuracy, that's what we do.
Downgrading because you think it's wrong? Completely fine.
Downgrading just to downgrade because of matches? Awful, bad, report worthy even, it's the anti thesis to what we're supposed to do. Your downgrade could be 100% legit and it wouldn't matter if it's only legit by accident and your intent was the former.

Im going to get some mods to weigh in on this now, obviously we can keep discussing the points in case they MIGHT be legit but that's sus dude, stop that.

this all making sense now

 

[Baken384]

High tiers downgrade makes sense, earthquake removal though disagree

 

[Gamecooob]

Big day for JJK haters around the world

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Purple is overkill, firing off a purple even as a none nuke would cause a bigger problems that a simple earthquake

more so a red or a blue orb

Blue is a spatial compression hax and if used to pull would be attraction. Probably he used maximum output blue to shred things apart or pull apart anything that Gojo makes it target, so that one is viable and could cause some wonky stuff down there

Red is a spatial BFR of sorts in the sense that it repels and is the Reversal of Blue, the latter of which Gojo already explained as to what it is like back in HI arc with Red being the Reversal of Blue.
Red = positive space-time value > Repel.

This could also be viable
Purple like you said is just more destruction if he did do that, and is kinda unnecessary since Kenjaku has nothing that can force him to fire off a purple.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

The frick? First thing I see when coming back is a JJK downgrade

 

[ElJoaki5]

High Tiers Speed Downgrade​

Currently, all high tiers are being scaled to this calc of Awakened Teen Gojo blitzing Toji Fushiguro making all of them Supersonic physically, scaling to Mach 2.26,

Youre literally just lying now

 

[Buraqibear]

Youre literally just lying now

They aren’t?

 

[Buraqibear]

Absolutely last thing you should have admitted. We want accuracy, that's what we do.
Downgrading because you think it's wrong? Completely fine.
Downgrading just to downgrade because of matches? Awful, bad, report worthy even, it's the anti thesis to what we're supposed to do. Your downgrade could be 100% legit and it wouldn't matter if it's only legit by accident and your intent was the former.

Im going to get some mods to weigh in on this now, obviously we can keep discussing the points in case they MIGHT be legit but that's sus dude, stop that.

Bro I’m literally downgrading something that IS wrong

 

[LaserPrecision]

They aren’t?

You didn't check that before you made the CRT?

 

[ElJoaki5]

They aren’t?

Supersonic speed comes from Yuta keeping up with granite blast (Mach 1.44)

 

[LaserPrecision]

Bro I’m literally downgrading something that IS wrong

Be 100% honest please. Did you just throw this CRT together in a couple minutes without looking into the scaling at all just to downgrade the series to make more versus matches?

 

[Buraqibear]

You didn't check that before you made the CRT?

I did this was like the only one that could’ve worked for them

 

[Buraqibear]

Be 100% honest please. Did you just throw this CRT together in a couple minutes without looking into the scaling at all just to downgrade the series to make more versus matches?

No. Trust me bro I’ve been trying to do ts for ages it has merit

 

[Gamecooob]

Only the Divine Flame point has some merit

 

[LaserPrecision]

No. Trust me bro I’ve been trying to do ts for ages it has merit

I'm not saying it doesn't have merit. It can be thrown together in a few minutes and with the intention of trying to make more matches (or some other ulterior motives) and still have merit. I just wanna know cuz like, you made points that aren't even true in the OP. Like high-tiers scaling to a feat that they don't even scale to on the profiles.

 

[Baken384]

Only the Divine Flame point has some merit

High TIer AP Downgrade too

 

[Lilybitdun]

They aren’t?

They are currently scaled to Granite Blast's speed lol
it's Post-Awakening Gojo that blitzes Toji and he gets Supersonic+ from that, the special grades aren't scaling to the toji getting blitzed feat

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"Coincidence"

Pls quit the nonsense. U can argue outlier all you want but that is in no way intended as coincidence.

Bro using leak scans in the enourmous year of 2025