2025 JJK Upgrade CRT

[Acertainbcplayer]

Creates an area of gravity around himself
He couldn't have activated it yet because how did his shirt then pull off if he's already in the comfort of anti-gravity?

Wow, surely Gege wrote that right?
...
Right?

 

[Jaynic1]

Wow, surely Gege wrote that right?
...
Right?

yes?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I think what happens right after his explanation is likely what he's alluding to instead of what happens 2 pages later.

There's this thing called buildup, ya know? Clearly it was building up to the final moment, not in-between

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Wow, surely Gege wrote that right?
...
Right?

Uh
Yuki literally stated how it works in chapter 207

I will not stand for Gege slander

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

yes?

Scans?

 

[Jaynic1]

I mean this:

Doesnt this panel show "spikes" jutting out from the black hole here? If this is accepted as a black hole it doesnt make sense to consider the earlier panels not black holes because of the spikes

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Doesnt this panel show "spikes" jutting out from the black hole here? If this is accepted as a black hole it doesnt make sense to consider the earlier panels not black holes because of the spikes

They're just picking and choosing what to accept

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Uh
Yuki literally stated how it works in chapter 207

I will not stand for Gege slander

Ya know that anti gravity was stated only once right? If not then Yuki would've been able to avoid doom. That shi was an asspull after all.

 

[Epyriel]

Doesnt this panel show "spikes" jutting out from the black hole here? If this is accepted as a black hole it doesnt make sense to consider the earlier panels not black holes because of the spikes

As I said earlier, this has a defined perfectly spherical contour you can clearly delineate with motion lines jutting in and out.

I invite you to try and delineate the same with this:

 

[Passersby]

What I am saying is that spaghettification caused by black holes are demonstrably much more violent than spaghettification caused by any other stellar objects.

this is...true? technically? but it required nuance

Spaghettification caused by black holes is usually much more violent than that caused by other stellar objects but that's largely because the gravitational gradient near small black holes becomes extreme over short distances. However, the actual intensity of tidal forces depends on how close you are to the object, not just the object type.

Cause he's not a regular person? Isn't that the entire premise of the thread? That he's strong enough to resist the effects of the black hole.

via anti gravity shenningans, not really his durability

*unless i remember it wrong

wouldn't you then need proof anything other than a black hole would have the same effects it had on kenny?

not really that's just the basics of astrophysics and gravity bs


Tidal gravitational forces (which cause spaghettification) are a function of how much the gravitational pull changes over a distance, this isn’t something unique to black holes but general relativistic principle so any particularly dense object can do it.

Neutron stars, white dwarfs, or any high-mass object with a compact radius can produce extreme tidal effects especially at close range so we don’t need to assume a black hole to explain spaghettification-like behavior.

bascially what we're getting at is seeing kenny getting stretched ≠ proof of a black hole

Just because Kenny was being stretched doesn’t prove it's a black hole, it just proves there was a steep gravitational gradient in effect. That's basic gravitational physics.

now if you're implying i should prove why anything other a black hole would have any effect on the guy, that's not how evidence based arguing works

saying that only black holes can have an effect is a positive statement that you should be proving if you truly beleieve its true

And wouldn't there still be value in the feat even if it wasn't a black hole because its gravitational force was enough to spaghettify him?

yes, i agree with this, i said it previously in the crt

what i'm contesting, is the fact that that thing is a black hole

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

As I said earlier, this has a defined perfectly spherical contour you can clearly delineate with motion lines jutting in and out.

I invite you to try and delineate the same with this:

Well yeah, if the spikes later on was shown to be outside of the sphere, then the calc is invalid, it should instead be Yuki and the black area being the black hole instead whatever the heck the calc did

 

[Saqphire]

what does size have anything to do with this?
a black hole isn’t defined by its size alone, but by whether mass is compressed within its Schwarzschild radius. Something larger than that radius doesn't automatically qualify as a black hole, it's just that the mass must be contained within that radius. So saying "it's larger than 1cm, so it's a black hole" is a misapplication of the concept.

Wow. I urge you to actually re-read my comment because I did not just say "it's bigger than 1cm so it's a black hole", this is a strawman of doom

and how does the black stuff even operate when it's in the shape of literal spikes?

The others have explained this.

kenjaku's statement is nothing more than a simple deduction of what's going to happen/of what yuki is doing using her own explanation and his knowledge as base, it's literally given to us contextually that he comes to that conclusion after yuki gives him hints of what she is doing

it's not evidence that a black hole as already formed, and as epyriel said multiple times, you don't need a black hole to have gravity, just because he was getting pulled in, doesn't mean a black hole already formed

Except Kenjaku's deduction after Yuki's hints are immediately explained by Gege how a Black Hole works (in JJK at the very least) which is why I brought up the 2cm diameter + earth density part + black hole characteristics parts to logically conclude that it would be a black hole thanks to that thus your interpretation wouldn't be stronger than mine because of this

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Ya know that anti gravity was stated only once right? If not then Yuki would've been able to avoid doom. That shi was an asspull after all.

I mean she was going to die anyway
She got hoed by kenjaku having more plot armour more experience than her

Can't be Yuta tho

 

[Arkenis]

Can I get the disagreers to comment on this.

Which of you are outright in disagreement with scaling Kenjaku to the feat whether it be an actual bh or it be Yuki adding a ton of mass? And which of you are fine with scaling Kenjaku to feat whether it be a bh or a it be Yuki adding a ton of mass?

 

[Razor]

yes, i agree with this, i said it previously in the crt

what i'm contesting, is the fact that that thing is a black hole

I think we should just do that tbh (find the value needed for kenny to resist a gravitational force strong enough to spaghettify him), instead of trying to argue about black hole specifics even tho im pretty sure none of us are that knowledgeable on the matter.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Is there any disagreement with Gojo's earthquake calc?
Let's know

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I think we should just do that tbh (find the value needed for kenny to resist a gravitational force strong enough to spaghettify him), instead of trying to argue about black hole specifics even tho im pretty sure none of us are that knowledgeable on the matter.

Can you calc it for us?

 

[Arkenis]

Is there any disagreement with Gojo's earthquake calc?
Let's know

This ain't even part of the crt.

 

[Epyriel]

Is there any disagreement with Gojo's earthquake calc?
Let's know

Mathematically seems fine as long as it avoids the curse of outliers.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

This ain't even part of the crt.

I'm a jjk fan
You know I can't read

 

[Razor]

Can you calc it for us?

I'm not knowledgeable enough, sorry

 

[Epyriel]

I think we should just do that tbh (find the value needed for kenny to resist a gravitational force strong enough to spaghettify him), instead of trying to argue about black hole specifics even tho im pretty sure none of us are that knowledgeable on the matter.

I could give that a try, but that would give a force value for lifting strength rather than a durability value.

 

[Passersby]

Wow. I urge you to actually re-read my comment because I did not just say "it's bigger than 1cm so it's a black hole", this is a strawman of doom

what did you mean by this then?

earth compressed into two centimeters, meaning it's Schwarzchild Radius would've been at least one centimeter to be considered as one. Since the black stuff is obviously significantly larger than 1cm

because it literally implies you're talking about size

The others have explained this

...you don't really just

ok yk whatever

Except Kenjaku's deduction after Yuki's hints are immediately explained by Gege how a Black Hole works (

and that matters because?

which is why I brought up the 2cm diameter + earth density part + black hole characteristics parts to logically conclude that it would be a black hole

you're not really making much sens, either i'm dumb or you suck at explaining

how do these follow like what the hell, this just seems like a bunch of non sequitur

please for explain properly, where is the causal thread linking that?

 

[Passersby]

I think we should just do that tbh (find the value needed for kenny to resist a gravitational force strong enough to spaghettify him), instead of trying to argue about black hole specifics even tho im pretty sure none of us are that knowledgeable on the matter.

this ^
honestly this should have been done from the beginning lol

edit:

Is there any disagreement with Gojo's earthquake calc?
Let's know

that one is good as far as i can tell

the ones here are what i have a problem with lol

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Can I get the disagreers to comment on this.

Which of you are outright in disagreement with scaling Kenjaku to the feat whether it be an actual bh or it be Yuki adding a ton of mass? And which of you are fine with scaling Kenjaku to feat whether it be a bh or a it be Yuki adding a ton of mass?

If the thing was not a black hole when Kenjaku scales to it, I would still disagree. If Kenjaku had a hard time with it but Yuki with half her body could tank and yap, then obviously that is an anti feat

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

this ^
honestly this should have been done from the beginning lol

edit:

that one is good as far as i can tell

the ones here are what i have a problem with lol

We didn't know people would start questioning the black hole based on spikes and moon densities being black

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I mean she was going to die anyway
She got hoed by kenjaku having more plot armour more experience than her

Can't be Yuta tho

Yeah, but my point is that no one freaking knows what the CT does, Gege asspulled and refused to elaborate further.

 

[Arkenis]

If the thing was not a black hole when Kenjaku scales to it, I would still disagree. If Kenjaku had a hard time with it but Yuki with half her body could tank and yap, then obviously that is an anti feat

Yuki is stronger than Kenjaku. She has zero anti-feats in terms of durability when it comes to physicals.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah, but my point is that no one freaking knows what the CT does, Gege asspulled and refused to elaborate further.

The anti gravity is bare bones grav manip if you mean that.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Yuki is stronger than Kenjaku. She has zero anti-feats in terms of durability when it comes to physicals.

Ah yes

Y'all still got this, it is there

Already said it

 

[Razor]

I could give that a try, but that would give a force value for lifting strength rather than a durability value.

But why tho? Shouldn't the calc be near identical to the one in the OP?

 

[Arkenis]

Ah yes

Already said it

I'm confused what your point is.

 

[Epyriel]

But why tho? Shouldn't the calc be near identical to the one in the OP?

I guess if we also assume a very rough movement distance this could be replicated.

Let me do a rough back of the envelope calculation to see if it generates anything relevant.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

I'm confused what your point is.

My point is simple:
Yuki crippled by Kenjaku's domain, a single attack. Then afterwards she can be hurt by Kenjaku iirc

Kenjaku had a hard time just from the pull of the black hole

Yuki herself tanking the singularity while yapping

Yeah surely nothing is wrong here

 

[Passersby]

We didn't know people would start questioning the black hole based on spikes and moon densities being black

tbf, it was quite questionable so you should have seen it coming lol

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

tbf, it was quite questionable so you should have seen it coming lol

That's how losers think
One should push Thier agenda without fear or falter, without thinking of tomorrow

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

The anti gravity is bare bones grav manip if you mean that.

Yeah surely it was written by Gege righ-

Yeah, I'm not even gonna say it again. That term was stated ONCE and was never elaborated further.

 

[Jaynic1]

Yeah surely it was written by Gege righ-

Yeah, I'm not even gonna say it again. That term was stated ONCE and was never elaborated further.

The reversal increases gravity so the lapse reduces gravity.

 

[Passersby]

That's how losers think
One should push Thier agenda without fear or falter, without thinking of tomorrow

preach! lol

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah, I'm not even gonna say it again. That term was stated ONCE and was never elaborated further.

So what? I'm lost on why this even matters. What do we just now not recognize it at all