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[OjeTheArcher15]

As above, VSBW’s Black Hole Feats page states:


You have zero narrative intent for it already being a black hole. Yuki and Kenjaku were still monologuing about what was about to happen, and when the black hole actually forms you see it immediately present a more realistic portrayal (spherical shape, destroyed surroundings limited only by Tengen’s barrier, happens in a single panel without anyone being able to react).

We still see spikes in said realistic representation

We see kenjaku being dragged towards the black hole while being stretched which only happens when being close to a black hole

We also have kenjaku stating it's a black hole while saying it's impossible

I have more narrative intent and implications than a baseless assumption of large densities turning it black

 

[Tago238]

Just give me an article saying it's the same for black holes that are not in equilibrium

I’m incidentally working through a textbook on GR rn but tbf as far as I can tell the Schwarzschild solution wouldn’t change for anything like this, only if it was rotating. In the Schwarzschild solution you just get a concrete radius around the mass which can be adapted to the Schwarzschild radius of a black hole. I guess there’s weirdness with how energy is taken in in the first place and that might lead to less uniform shapes but it’s not like the energy being taken in is contributing much here.

You’re better pointing out the inconsistencies with their interpretation rather than falling into this back and forth, remember they’re the side which is having the weirdest reading of events possible and justifying it with petty nitpicks into decisions made as a result of artistic license. Lean into that rather than going too far into contesting those nitpicks.

 

[Epyriel]

We still see spikes in said realistic representation

We see a literal perfect cutoff sphere with motion lines around it.

We see kenjaku being dragged towards the black hole while being stretched which only happens when being close to a black hole

Wow then I must near a black hole right now, because I feel strangely pulled towards the ground.

Gravity exists outside of black holes. This case makes perfect sense if you read it through a lens of Yuki gradually ramping up as she adds more and more virtual mass to herself, thus growing a greater and greater gravitational force around her.

We also have kenjaku stating it's a black hole while saying it's impossible

I have more narrative intent and implications than a baseless assumption of large densities turning it black

As before, Yuki is literally spelling out what is about to happen.

 

[Arkenis]

Gravitational waves travel at the speed of light. The entire surroundings would immediately be accretioned and pulled in from the perspective of characters nearly a million times slower than the speed of light.

This shit is never done for any damn bh feat please stop.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

0.75m is the diameter, 0.37m is the radius.

Oh okay

By not being blind? This is getting ridiculous.

Seen it now

Definitely cause of tengen barrier wonkiness

It's still falling in the black hole tho?

I literally gave you the actual calculated gravitational acceleration for this specific case using the calc’s own numbers and its own calculator.

Okay then
But kenjaku could resist the Pull for a while so it's all good

You are literally just making concepts up. “Stable” black holes are literally just every black hole.

I'm really not

Going back to the spherical black hole, symmetry tells us that the the curvature of space is the same at all points on the horizon at a given time. This is another property which generalises, but only to stationary black holes, that is, black holes which don’t change with time. Heuristically, we can think of the patches of the event horizon as interacting, pulling and pushing each other, and exchanging curvature. A stationary black hole is an equilibrium configuration for that exchange process, where the curvature is uniformly distributed.

How about you show me an article proving the existence of “unstable” black hole that can suddenly develop giant spikes against everything physics would tells us about how they work.

I cannot do something too specific

Although I can point you to the article I linked
It showed a stationary black hole has an evenly distributed curvature
Meaning a black hole that isn't stationary would have an uneven one

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

We see a literal perfect cutoff sphere with motion lines around it.

Oh so it's motion lines now?
Okay same as the one of earlier

Wow then I must near a black hole right now, because I feel strangely pulled towards the ground.

Are you also stretched as well?

Gravity exists outside of black holes. This case makes perfect sense if you read it through a lens of Yuki gradually ramping up as she adds more and more virtual mass to herself, thus growing a greater and greater gravitational force around her.

Show gravity strong enough to stretch and distort space and people outside of a black hole

As before, Yuki is literally spelling out what is about to happen.

She didn't spell anything out

Kenjaku already knows what was happening and Yuki only response was "you wield gravity you should have seen this coming right?" which means she's telling kenjaku he should have expected an outcome which just happened, said outcome being the creation of a black hole

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

We're nitpicking the feat too much
We already have statements calling it a black hole and it's formation is equal to one

The event horizon being irregular isn't even part of the things that outline what's not a realistic black hole in this site
Why are we doing it because of jjk?

@Arkenis is there any disagreement with the Earthquake calc?

 

[Epyriel]

Definitely cause of tengen barrier wonkiness

It's still falling in the black hole tho?

Okay then
But kenjaku could resist the Pull for a while so it's all good

These two things are in contradiction.

If Tengen’s influence is restricting the effect of the black hole on the environment around where Kenjaku is standing to such a degree that the pavement is only just beginning to crack, thereby shielding it from the full force of the black hole’s gravity, then you cannot then turn around and calc Kenjaku’s resistance to the black hole as if he were resisting its full force.

Either way it invalidates the calc.

I'm really not

I cannot do something too specific

Although I can point you to the article I linked
It showed a stationary black hole has an evenly distributed curvature
Meaning a black hole that isn't stationary would have an uneven one

This article just repeats what I have already said.

Black holes are only deformed from a perfect sphere through extreme angular momentum (which Yuki’s should have no reason to possess) but never does it come close to even suggesting any kind of extreme deformity the likes of which you are defending.

There is a world of difference between an oblate spheroid and a spikey mess.

And yes, you are making things up about newly formed black holes being unstable and varying wildly in shape.

Oh so it's motion lines now?
Okay same as the one of earlier

That is a rather disingenuous interpretation. The prior image does indeed show motion lines, but such lines stretch beyond the boundary of the actual shape. Where is Yuki’s perfect spherical cutoff in the prior image?

The calculation itself treats the giant spikes as part of the black hole itself, not motion lines.

Are you also stretched as well?

Show gravity strong enough to stretch and distort space and people outside of a black hole

If I was next to the core of the Earth I would be. If even a tenth of such mass were concentrated in the size of a person I definitely would be.

She didn't spell anything out

Kenjaku already knows what was happening and Yuki only response was "you wield gravity you should have seen this coming right?"

She literally implies she is going to keep increasing her density until it breaks beyond her limit to what she can protect herself from.

If you keep increasing density, you will eventually make a black hole.

 

[Saqphire]

Welp, after re-reading the arguments from Arkenis and others, I'm now under the opinion that it was a Black Hole even when Yuki was alive. Furthermore, the statement saying that a black hole would have a density of the Earth compressed into two centimeters, meaning it's Schwarzchild Radius would've been at least one centimeter to be considered as one. Since the black stuff is obviously significantly larger than 1cm and it still follows pretty much every other characteristic of a Black Hole, we can conclude that it was a black hole at that moment, with Kenjaku's statement in the same page supporting that

That said; Yuki's will and Tengen's barrier nerfing the black hole makes the calc invalid anyway so it'd still be a disagreement from me about it. Neutral on the Mechamaru stuff tho

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

These two things are in contradiction.

If Tengen’s influence is restricting the effect of the black hole on the environment around where Kenjaku is standing to such a degree that the pavement is only just beginning to crack, thereby shielding it from the full force of the black hole’s gravity, then you cannot then turn around and calc Kenjaku’s resistance to the black hole as if he were resisting its full force.

No it means Tengen is creating more mass to hold the black hole within the barrier
TCB gave a good explanation on how Tengen barrier behaves

The only thing tengen barrier did was prevent it from destroying the world

If tengen actually went out of his way to protect kenjaku he wouldn't have been surprised by his survival

Either way it invalidates the calc.

Doesn't

This article just repeats what I have already said.

Black holes are only deformed from a perfect sphere through extreme angular momentum (which Yuki’s should have no reason to possess) but never does it come close to even suggesting any kind of extreme deformity the likes of which you are defending.

It doesn't
Let me rewrite it for you

Going back to the spherical black hole, symmetry tells us that the the curvature of space is the same at all points on the horizon at a given time. This is another property which generalises, but only to stationary black holes, that is, black holes which don’t change with time. Heuristically, we can think of the patches of the event horizon as interacting, pulling and pushing each other, and exchanging curvature. A stationary black hole is an equilibrium configuration for that exchange process, where the curvature is uniformly distributed.

Property of a black hole includes mass and spin

There is a world of difference between an oblate spheroid and a spikey mess.

And yes, you are making things up about newly formed black holes being unstable and varying wildly in shape.


That is a rather disingenuous interpretation. The prior image does indeed show motion lines, but such lines stretch beyond the boundary of the actual shape. Where is Yuki’s perfect spherical cutoff in the prior image?

Not disingenuous at all
We're literally seeing it leave the boundaries of the actual shape yet you classify it as a black hole

This image doesn't have a perfect spherical cutoff as well hence irrelevant

The calculation itself treats the giant spikes as part of the black hole itself, not motion lines.

No it doesn't if not the diameter would be Yuki entire body

If I was next to the core of the Earth I would be. If even a tenth of such mass were concentrated in the size of a person I definitely would be

Oh so you're not stretching now again?
Show evidence of earth gravity stretching people to this magnitude

She literally implies she is going to keep increasing her density until it breaks beyond her limit to what she can protect herself from.

Stop with this bullshit please

What she actually said: Star rage alterations in mass doesn't affect me up to a certain limit

We blatantly see her being affected by the alterations, so more evidence of it being a black hole

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

That said; Yuki's will and Tengen's barrier nerfing the black hole makes the calc invalid anyway so it'd still be a disagreement from me about it. Neutral on the Mechamaru stuff tho

Note it only nerfed the black hole from destroying the planet by restricting it within the barrier

That's why tengen was surprised when he found out kenjaku was still alive

So the calc isn't invalid

Check my previous comment to see how Tengen barrier behaves

 

[Passersby]

...that is such a huge leap in logic

Welp, after re-reading the arguments from Arkenis and others, I'm now under the opinion that it was a Black Hole even when Yuki was alive. Furthermore, the statement saying that a black hole would have a density of the Earth compressed into two centimeters, meaning it's Schwarzchild Radius would've been at least one centimeter to be considered as one. Since the black stuff is obviously significantly larger than 1cm and it still follows pretty much every other characteristic of a Black Hole, we can conclude that it was a black hole at that moment, with Kenjaku's statement in the same page supporting that

what does size have anything to do with this?
a black hole isn’t defined by its size alone, but by whether mass is compressed within its Schwarzschild radius. Something larger than that radius doesn't automatically qualify as a black hole, it's just that the mass must be contained within that radius. So saying "it's larger than 1cm, so it's a black hole" is a misapplication of the concept.

and how does the black stuff even operate when it's in the shape of literal spikes?


kenjaku's statement is nothing more than a simple deduction of what's going to happen/of what yuki is doing using her own explanation and his knowledge as base, it's literally given to us contextually that he comes to that conclusion after yuki gives him hints of what she is doing

it's not evidence that a black hole as already formed, and as epyriel said multiple times, you don't need a black hole to have gravity, just because he was getting pulled in, doesn't mean a black hole already formed

We blatantly see her being affected by the alterations

and not to intrude on this but that only really means she reached the limit where the CT can affect her unless she explcitly said only when she makes a black hole can she be affected

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Cool. Disagree with everything, but I'm gonna focus on the mountain calc. I'll do it shortly:

Kenjaku tanked the black hole pull

Yuki with half the body tanked the singularity (and is able to talk)

Kenjaku with his domain only crippled Yuki

Yep, the black hole is just Gege being bad at large scale physics again, surprising surprising.

 

[Epyriel]

No it means Tengen is creating more mass to hold the black hole within the barrier
TCB gave a good explanation on how Tengen barrier behaves

The only thing tengen barrier did was prevent it from destroying the world

If tengen actually went out of his way to protect kenjaku he wouldn't have been surprised by his survival

Which invalidates your explanation for the pavement only beginning to crack under Kenjaku’s feet.

Can’t have it both ways.

Doesn't

It doesn't
Let me rewrite it for you

Property of a black hole includes mass and spin

Spin is the intrinsic form of angular momentum. You are only further proving my point.

Not disingenuous at all
We're literally seeing it leave the boundaries of the actual shape yet you classify it as a black hole

This image doesn't have a perfect spherical cutoff as well hence irrelevant

No it doesn't if not the diameter would be Yuki entire body

Please read the actual calculation I am begging you.

It literally uses the longest and most deformed spike as the diameter. You can’t argue it is a motion lines when you are also using it as part of the black hole.

Oh so you're not stretching now again?
Show evidence of earth gravity stretching people to this magnitude

Did you even read what I said??

For the record, no, I am not next to the core of the planet. And yes, anyone close even a fraction of that kind of density would be spaghettified. Which hasn’t happened yet, since no one has ever been close to a neutron star or planetary core before.

What she actually said: Star rage alterations in mass doesn't affect me up to a certain limit

We blatantly see her being affected by the alterations, so more evidence of it being a black hole

Actually she says “Only up to a certain density!”

Increased mass with constant volume equates to increased density. Kenjaku seeing where this is going is not evidence of your case.

Stop with this bullshit please

Absolutely right back at you.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

it's not evidence that a black hole as already formed, and as epyriel said multiple times, you don't need a black hole to have gravity, just because he was getting pulled in, doesn't mean a black hole already formed

You need a black hole to spaghettify people tho?

and not to intrude on this but that only really means she reached the limit where the CT can affect her unless she explcitly said only when she makes a black hole can she be affected

It's certainly implied

Yuki: Star rage alterations in mass doesn't affect me up to certain density

Kenjaku: Density! If there's no limit to the mass she can add... Impossible. A black hole?

It implies said density is the critical density for black hole formation, add on the fact Kenjaku straight up called it a black hole, he was getting stretched and spaghettified and it point to it being a black hole

 

[Jaynic1]

You need a black hole to spaghettify people tho?

I think if this can be proven the argument will be alot stronger. The panel outright depicts kenjaku getting spaghettified so if only a black hole can do that then it should be a settled

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

It's just effects really. The calc also took the 2 longest spikes as the radius, and that alo e should be invalid enough tbh. The spikes are just effects.

 

[Razor]

Even if its not proven to be a blackhole before Yuki's death, can't it be calculated anyways? It still had enough force to spaghettify kenjaku yet he resisted it anyways.

I think if this can be proven the argument will be alot stronger. The panel outright depicts kenjaku getting spaghettified so if only a black hole can do that then it should be a settled

Afaik only black holes can spaghettify people. other celestial objects could theeoretically do so but only black holes are confirmed to be able to do it.

 

[Jaynic1]

It's just effects really. The calc also took the 2 longest spikes as the radius, and that alo e should be invalid enough tbh. The spikes are just effects.

"effects"

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Which invalidates your explanation for the pavement only beginning to crack under Kenjaku’s feet.

Because said pavement was added by tengen's barrier

Spin is the intrinsic form of angular momentum. You are only further proving my point.

Don't see how when spin isn't the only property of a black hole

It literally uses the longest and most deformed spike as the diameter. You can’t argue it is a motion lines when you are also using it as part of the black hole.

It literally doesn't

Did you even read what I said??

For the record, no, I am not next to the core of the planet. And yes, anyone close even a fraction of that kind of density would be spaghettified. Which hasn’t happened yet, since no one has ever been close to a neutron star or planetary core before.

The earth core doesn't have the gravitational force necessary to spaghettify

A neutron star has tho, but at that point it helps my case more than yours

Actually she says “Only up to a certain density!”

Yeah thanks for the reminder
Hence it affecting her means she has already reached that density

Increased mass with constant volume equates to increased density. Kenjaku seeing where this is going is not evidence of your case.

It does
Since she has already reached that density and her question "you should have seen this coming right" implies said outcome has already happened

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

"effects"

Yes, Yuki's words are so strong it even reaches Kenjaku despite him being spaghettified.

Broken physics, all I got to say. Inconsistencies and anti feats everywhere, so this whole this is invalid.

 

[Jaynic1]

Yes, Yuki's words are so strong it even reaches Kenjaku despite him being spaghettified.

Broken physics, all I got to say. Inconsistencies and anti feats everywhere, so this whole this is invalid.

I think thats an unreasonable standard. If only feats that followed physics down to a T were accepted then we may as well disqualify any character faster than sound who can hold a verbal conversation while travelling. Or disqualify any physical movement not creating a sonic boom(without stuff like speed force) as subsonic.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Yes, Yuki's words are so strong it even reaches Kenjaku despite him being spaghettified.

Broken physics, all I got to say. Inconsistencies and anti feats everywhere, so this whole this is invalid.

This doesn't apply to other series so why are you pulling it for jjk?
People can talk close to black holes in other series and nobody says Thier shit is invalid

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Plus we see naoya able to speak at full speed (Mach 3)
Is naoya not mach 3 because he can hold a conversation

 

[Passersby]

You need a black hole to spaghettify people tho?

...no, not really

That can happen near a black hole, but itdoesn't require one. What matters is intense tidal forces which can really occur in any strong gravitational gradient, not just at a black hole.
Neutron stars could also cause spaghettification if you got close enough, hell, any massive enough object theoretically, could if you got close enough and the tidal forces were high.

It's certainly implied

Yuki: Star rage alterations in mass doesn't affect me up to certain density

Kenjaku: Density! If there's no limit to the mass she can add... Impossible. A black hole?

once again, you literally spelled out his deduction process

that doesn't really imply a black hole has already formed, it implies its in the process of being formed

The earth core doesn't have the gravitational force necessary to spaghettify

yes, but if it's entire mass was concentrated on a human sized object, it would be.
"spaghettification" only really happens when the difference in gravitational pull across your body is so high that you’re stretched apart, if earth's mass were concentrated into a something like 1-meter-wide object, the gravitational gradient near the surface would be steep enough to spaghettify you

 

[Passersby]

Yes, Yuki's words are so strong it even reaches Kenjaku despite him being spaghettified.

also this can be handwaved as talking a free action

it's not really a good argument lol

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Cool. Disagree with everything, but I'm gonna focus on the mountain calc. I'll do it shortly:

Kenjaku tanked the black hole pull

Yuki with half the body tanked the singularity (and is able to talk)

Kenjaku with his domain only crippled Yuki

Yep, the black hole is just Gege being bad at large scale physics again, surprising surprising.

Y'all still got this, it is there

 

[Epyriel]

Because said pavement was added by tengen's barrier

Then why does it get disintegrated when the actual black hole forms?

Your twisting of Tengen’s barrier to try every which way to make this fit is verging on writing fanfiction.

It literally doesn't

“It literally doesn’t” - posts a link literally showing a line along the longest spike.

The earth core doesn't have the gravitational force necessary to spaghettify

I didn’t say it can, I said it could stretch you and that you only need a tiny fraction of the gravity of a back hole to actually spaghettify.

A neutron star has tho, but at that point it helps my case more than yours

How? A neutron star is several orders of magnitude less dense than the black hole collapse point.

Yeah thanks for the reminder
Hence it affecting her means she has already reached that density

It does
Since she has already reached that density and her question "you should have seen this coming right" implies said outcome has already happened

The outcome of her increasing her density towards a black hole? Sure. This does not imply she is already a black hole.

 

[Razor]

...no, not really

That can happen near a black hole, but itdoesn't require one. What matters is intense tidal forces which can really occur in any strong gravitational gradient, not just at a black hole.
Neutron stars could also cause spaghettification if you got close enough, hell, any massive enough object theoretically, could if you got close enough and the tidal forces were high.

Only because the term "spaghettification" is pretty broad. Technically, if you get stretched at all it counts as spaghettification. Spaghettification caused by any stellar objects except for black holes can even be surviveable in most cases, and even if you die it'd take a while. Spaghettification via black holes are much more violent and clear, like what is shown happening to kenny, where a normal person has zero chances of survival. Furthermore, the panel before literally explains a black hole and we see the effects of the black hole on kenny.

I think its pretty clear that gege was trying to depict that a black hole has already been formed and that kenny was already under its effects.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

This doesn't apply to other series so why are you pulling it for jjk?
People can talk close to black holes in other series and nobody says Thier shit is invalid

Plus we see naoya able to speak at full speed (Mach 3)
Is naoya not mach 3 because he can hold a conversation

also this can be handwaved as talking a free action

it's not really a good argument lol

It's not the words that matters, but the fact that Yuki being the singularity could, is what matters.

Outerversal lungs confirmed, close the thread guys mountain level ain't matter anymore

 

[Epyriel]

Spaghettification via black holes are much more violent and clear, like what is shown happening to kenny, where a normal person has zero chances of survival.

Uh no, spaghettification via black hole literally reduces you to a string of atoms.

Being a billionth of the calculated gravitational acceleration would still stretch you out like this.

I think its pretty clear that gege was trying to depict that a black hole has already been formed and that kenny was already under its effects.

I think Gege is trying to explain what is literally about to happen on the very next page.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Uh no, spaghettification via black hole literally reduces you to a string of atoms.

Being a billionth of the calculated gravitational acceleration would still stretch you out like this.


I think Gege is trying to explain what is literally about to happen on the very next page.

Yep, Yuki's last words are proof for this.

 

[Razor]

Uh no, spaghettification via black hole literally reduces you to a string of atoms.

Being a billionth of the calculated gravitational acceleration would still stretch you out like this.


I think Gege is trying to explain what is literally about to happen on the very next page.

And that was what would've happened to kenny if he had zero defenses against the black hole.

Isn't this the next page? Kenny resisting the black hole?

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

It's not the words that matters, but the fact that Yuki being the singularity could, is what matters.

Outerversal lungs confirmed, close the thread guys mountain level ain't matter anymore

Remember also, in fiction when attacked with strong gravity attacks, characters would usually have to try really hard to speak.

But what do I say? Yuki lungs upscaling

 

[Passersby]

Only because the term "spaghettification" is pretty broad. Technically, if you get stretched at all it counts as spaghettification.

err...not really

Spaghettification refers specifically to stretching due to tidal gravitational forces, not just any kind of elongation.
Saying “any stretching” counts is too broad and scientifically inaccurate as far as i can tell.

Spaghettification caused by any stellar objects except for black holes can even be surviveable in most cases, and even if you die it'd take a while.

this is a lil oversimplified
celestial objects like neutron stars or white dwarfs can still create lethal tidal forces at close distances, your survivability largely depends on how close you are to the object in question, it's not safe by default just because it's not a black hole.

*we're ignoring all other lethal factors here for obvious reasons

Spaghettification via black holes are much more violent and clear, like what is shown happening to kenny, where a normal person has zero chances of survival.

..he is alive

like bro is genuinely still alive then and there

Furthermore, the panel before literally explains a black hole and we see the effects of the black hole on kenny.

we're contesting the fact that it was a black hole at that moment, not that a black hole wasn't in the process of being formed

just because he is being pulled into it doesn't particularly mean that's a black hole, more so that the gravitational gradient is strong enough to cause tidal effects similar to spaghettification, even if a black hole hasn’t fully formed.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

And that was what would've happened to kenny if he had zero defenses against the black hole.

Isn't this the next page? Kenny resisting the black hole?

Probably activated the CT already. Like let me ask you a question: How does Kenny's CT actually works? How does it works? No one knows, all we knows that it allowed him to survive the black hole.

 

[Epyriel]

And that was what would've happened to kenny if he had zero defenses against the black hole.

Which doesn’t at all help the case he is resisting a black hole before he activates his technique.

Isn't this the next page? Kenny resisting the black hole?

I mean this:

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Then why does it get disintegrated when the actual black hole forms?

The black hole has already formed

The reason it got disintegrated is because the black hole got bigger hence its pull was stronger

Your twisting of Tengen’s barrier to try every which way to make this fit is verging on writing fanfiction.

Not really

“It literally doesn’t” - posts a link literally showing a line along the longest spike.

There are spikes longer that that one

I didn’t say it can, I said it could stretch you and that you only need a tiny fraction of the gravity of a back hole to actually spaghettify.

For the record, no, I am not next to the core of the planet. And yes, anyone close even a fraction of that kind of density would be spaghettified. Which hasn’t happened yet, since no one has ever been close to a neutron star or planetary core before

You implied it

The outcome of her increasing her density towards a black hole? Sure. This does not imply she is already a black hole.

No it already implies she had already formed the black hole

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Probably activated the CT already. Like let me ask you a question: How does Kenny's CT actually works? How does it works? No one knows, all we knows that it allowed him to survive the black hole.

Creates an area of gravity around himself
He couldn't have activated it yet because how did his shirt then pull off if he's already in the comfort of anti-gravity?

 

[Razor]

err...not really

Spaghettification refers specifically to stretching due to tidal gravitational forces, not just any kind of elongation.
Saying “any stretching” counts is too broad and scientifically inaccurate as far as i can tell.


this is a lil oversimplified
celestial objects like neutron stars or white dwarfs can still create lethal tidal forces at close distances, your survivability largely depends on how close you are to the object in question, it's not safe by default just because it's not a black hole.

*we're ignoring all other lethal factors here for obvious reasons


..he is alive

like bro is genuinely still alive then and there


we're contesting the fact that it was a black hole at that moment, not that a black hole wasn't in the process of being formed

just because he is being pulled into it doesn't particularly mean that's a black hole, more so that the gravitational gradient is strong enough to cause tidal effects similar to spaghettification, even if a black hole hasn’t fully formed.

Of course, I meant via gravitiational forces.

I didn't say it was safe, spaghettification of any kind has the potential to be lethal. What I am saying is that spaghettification caused by black holes are demonstrably much more violent than spaghettification caused by any other stellar objects.

Cause he's not a regular person? Isn't that the entire premise of the thread? That he's strong enough to resist the effects of the black hole.

I am aware, wouldn't you then need proof anything other than a black hole would have the same effects it had on kenny? And wouldn't there still be value in the feat even if it wasn't a black hole because its gravitational force was enough to spaghettify him?

Which doesn’t at all help the case he is resisting a black hole before he activates his technique.



I mean this:

I think what happens right after his explanation is likely what he's alluding to instead of what happens 2 pages later.