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Satoru Gojo (The Honored One) Vs Makima (The Control Devil) (Jujutsu Kaisen Vs Chainsaw Man) [49-37-7]

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Acertainbcplayer said:
Iirc you can't spawn anything inside sorcerers since their body is an innate domain (seriously Gege never explain anything well enough), so bio manip or similar abilities (like Mahito's soul manip for example) could affect your insides.
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Mahito's ability requires him to physically touch ya and manipulate ur body through your soul. I presume that's his way of "breaching" their innate domain (Maybe has to do with the soul having influence over a person's Jujutsu?). Tho for bio manip to work, Makima has to manifest her ability/esoteric ability in Gojo's brain. Which I don't think is working if Innate domain stops things from manifesting inside of them.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
No UES prevents this from happening, sorcerers need to manifest CE, Makima doesn't, stuff just happens.
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She needs to manifest her influence over Gojo's internals inside of him. That's just how any ability works. It's like how TK manifests a esoteric force around people without traveling. Which she would need interdimensional range for. If she didn't need to manifest her influence over smth, then she would have infinite range so long as she knows where a person is.
 
Zabazab said:
The only thing being manifested is cerebral injury. But at least sorcerers are immune to Mould Devil!
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Yeah, through the influence of her abilities. This is why abilities have range. The inside of a sorcerer is like a domain, so she'd need interdimensional range to affect their insides is what I'm getting at.
 
LaserPrecision said:
She needs to manifest her influence over Gojo's internals inside of him. That's just how any ability works. It's like how TK manifests a esoteric force around people without traveling. Which she would need interdimensional range for. If she didn't need to manifest her influence over smth, then she would have infinite range so long as she knows where a person is.
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More like it's just how telekinesis (true telekinesis) works. They has a range limit, doesn't mean they can be blocked by anything. If sorcerer's insides are innate domains, then no one can really damage their insides unless they breach their bodies (sus). Well that means Gojo's UV (though could be argued) or Mahito's CT (when he used it on Mechamaru) is useless.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, through the influence of her abilities. This is why abilities have range. The inside of a sorcerer is like a domain, so she'd need interdimensional range to affect their insides is what I'm getting at.
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Figure that I should phrase it better
Acertainbcplayer said:
More like it's just how telekinesis (true telekinesis) works. They has a range limit, doesn't mean they can be blocked by anything. If sorcerer's insides are innate domains, then no one can really damage their insides unless they breach their bodies (sus). Well that means Gojo's UV (though could be argued) or Mahito's CT (when he used it on Mechamaru) is useless.
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I meant "a whole different dimension". Even Domain expansion isn't like this, they still exists in the same dimension, just that the insides can have varies size.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
More like it's just how telekinesis (true telekinesis) works. They has a range limit, doesn't mean they can be blocked by anything. If sorcerer's insides are innate domains, then no one can really damage their insides unless they breach their bodies (sus). Well that means Gojo's UV (though could be argued) or Mahito's CT (when he used it on Mechamaru) is useless.
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Yeah, True Telekinesis manifests an metaphysical force around the person. It spawns around them. That's still manifesting smth. It's manifesting a mental force. I think UV works because it's literally a domain, and domains can neuutralize other domains. So an innate domain isn't a problem. Mahito is fair, tho I think that could just be a feat for his technique.
Zabazab said:
This isn't what it says
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Yeah, it says the inside of the body is like a domain... which is a pocket dimension. With the scan elaborating the only way to manifest anything inside the body is by creating an opening, because that would be the physical equivalent of breaking open an entrance into a domain expansion.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Figure that I should phrase it better

I meant "a whole different dimension". Even Domain expansion isn't like this, they still exists in the same dimension, just that the insides can have varies size.
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Pocket dimensions still commonly exist within dimensions. But it's still another dimension. That's why it's accepted as pocket reality manipulation. And people can't enter or exit domain expansions with hax (For example, Sukuna stated Gojo can't teleport out of his domain if he closes it).
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, True Telekinesis manifests an metaphysical force around the person. It spawns around them. That's still manifesting smth. It's manifesting a mental force. I think UV works because it's literally a domain, and domains can neuutralize other domains. So an innate domain isn't a problem. Mahito is fair, tho I think that could just be a feat for his technique.

Yeah, it says the inside of the body is like a domain... which is a pocket dimension. With the scan elaborating the only way to manifest anything inside the body is by creating an opening, because that would be the physical equivalent of breaking open an entrance into a domain expansion.
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Eh, here's the thing: if you say that DE breaches the innate domain of a sorcerer, then Suk could one shot everyone in the verse by directly slashing their innards... Yeahhhhh......
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Eh, here's the thing: if you say that DE breaches the innate domain of a sorcerer, then Suk could one shot everyone in the verse by directly slashing their innards... Yeahhhhh......
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Well its not like a sure hit is customizable, and we see with naoya that his domain allows him to directly target the cells in your body when this wasnt possible with just touch
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Eh, here's the thing: if you say that DE breaches the innate domain of a sorcerer, then Suk could one shot everyone in the verse by directly slashing their innards... Yeahhhhh......
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I mean Naoya's is literally stated to affect every single cell in your body. It seems to me some domains just work differently. But I don't see why an innate domain would stop a domain expansion when domain expansion's whole thing is imbuing a sure hit and neutralizing other peeps domains.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, it says the inside of the body is like a domain... which is a pocket dimension. With the scan elaborating the only way to manifest anything inside the body is by creating an opening, because that would be the physical equivalent of breaking open an entrance into a domain expansion.
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Sorcerer insides aren't accepted to be pocket dimensions though. They're limited bio manip & powernull. You do not need interdimensional range to affect their innards with eg. psychokinesis. Also, not every domain is even a pocket dimension.
 
Zabazab said:
Sorcerer insides aren't accepted to be pocket dimensions though. They're limited bio manip & powernull. You do not need interdimensional range to affect their innards with eg. psychokinesis. Also, not every domain is even a pocket dimension.
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It's not accepted as a pocket dimension, but the scan included describes it to function exactly like one. Even gives an example that you need to breach the Domain like how Toji did to be able to do anything to their insides. Idk, if were aren't going to use this cuz the old CE page doesn't specify pocket manip for this too, I think a CRT should also be made for it.
 
LaserPrecision said:
It's not accepted as a pocket dimension, but the scan included describes it to function exactly like one. Even gives an example that you need to breach the Domain like how Toji did to be able to do anything to their insides. Idk, if were aren't going to use this cuz the old CE page doesn't specify pocket manip for this too, I think a CRT should also be made for it.
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This boutta become Gerard Vs Saitama with 2 simultaneous CRTs happening while the fight is going
 
LaserPrecision said:
I mean Naoya's is literally stated to affect every single cell in your body. It seems to me some domains just work differently. But I don't see why an innate domain would stop a domain expansion when domain expansion's whole thing is imbuing a sure hit and neutralizing other peeps domains.
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Suk's domain slashes everything inside it, so idk how it should be any different than Naoya's (otherwise the sure hit ain't hitting). Either it's universally untrue or universally true, or case by case which in this case Gege gave none. So tbh, ehhhhhhh......

Btw guys, how's the mountain level JJK going? Watch me debunk everything about that black hole thing I hate it I hate the black hole Gege study more physics GEGEEEE

Yuki should've won
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Btw guys, how's the mountain level JJK going?
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Pretty well I think, even if all else fails we should get city level off the ground.
Acertainbcplayer said:
Watch me debunk everything about that black hole thing
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Good luck bro
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Btw guys, how's the mountain level JJK going? Watch me debunk everything about that black hole thing I hate it I hate the black hole Gege study more physics GEGEEEE
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We currently don't have just the black hole feat but the gojo earthquake feat that's been recalced and accepted by rusty
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Suk's domain slashes everything inside it, so idk how it should be any different than Naoya's (otherwise the sure hit ain't hitting). Either it's universally untrue or universally true, or case by case which in this case Gege gave none. So tbh, ehhhhhhh......

Btw guys, how's the mountain level JJK going? Watch me debunk everything about that black hole thing I hate it I hate the black hole Gege study more physics GEGEEEE

Yuki should've won
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Tbh, Sukuna's domain should slash the insides of a person anyways, because bare minimum it states that creating an opening in the person makes it possible to target their insides. So the moment he cuts a person open with his slashes, he should also be attacking their insides. Also Sukuna's domain is really weird, idk why you had to pick it. It works by slashing completely through whatever it affects. Not just small parts of them. It's like asking "Why didn't Sukuna's domain target each individual toenail and molecule of the person." Because it cuts through them completely. I feel like any other domain woulda been a better example like Dagon's or smth. But again, I think that's because of the nature of how the ability works. If the sure-hit is based on an ability that already spawns inside the user (i.e. Mahito's soul manip which spawns his influence onto the targets soul via contact, or Naoya who can turn a person into a frame via contact), then it spawns in the user. If it involves attacking the opponent on the surface, it attacks the surface of the opponent as a sure-hit.

No CRT for it yet. But it seems fine so far. I think the Black Hole thing is fine. Even without the current method used, the destruction could be calc'd to also be 7-A range via Inverse square law (Gravitational waves become weaker they are the further they are from a Black Hole, and despite that it still caused Tier 7 damage to the environment) and a few more feats methinks. Island level may also be feasible.

I wanted Yuki and Choso to win. I needed my precious pookie Choso to do more.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Tbh, Sukuna's domain should slash the insides of a person anyways, because bare minimum it states that creating an opening in the person makes it possible to target their insides. So the moment he cuts a person open with his slashes, he should also be attacking their insides. Also Sukuna's domain is really weird, idk why you had to pick it. It works by slashing completely through whatever it affects. Not just small parts of them. It's like asking "Why didn't Sukuna's domain target each individual toenail and molecule of the person." Because it cuts through them completely. I feel like any other domain woulda been a better example like Dagon's or smth. But again, I think that's because of the nature of how the ability works. If the sure-hit is based on an ability that already spawns inside the user (i.e. Mahito's soul manip which spawns his influence onto the targets soul via contact, or Naoya who can turn a person into a frame via contact), then it spawns in the user. If it involves attacking the opponent on the surface, it attacks the surface of the opponent as a sure-hit.

No CRT for it yet. But it seems fine so far. I think the Black Hole thing is fine. Even without the current method used, the destruction could be calc'd to also be 7-A range via Inverse square law (Gravitational waves become weaker they are the further they are from a Black Hole, and despite that it still caused Tier 7 damage to the environment) and a few more feats methinks. Island level may also be feasible.

I wanted Yuki and Choso to win. I needed my precious pookie Choso to do more.
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Counterpoint: Gojo tanking the domain and gets minor scratches
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Counterpoint: Gojo tanking the domain and gets minor scratches
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Well yeah, but I just explained that in my post. Dismantle travels and hits the surface of an enemy. That's the nature of it. It can't go through the entire person if it lacks the power. And he only got minor scratches while using Falling Blossom Emotion. The only domains that target insides are from techniques that already target a person's whole body/internals.
 
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