Her controlled abilities, Aki and them.
Wouldn't Makima be the first to attack in any scenario considering:
Makima has the abilities to utilize any one of her wincons with this advantage. Especially considering:
With what? She may see that she dies in the future but she doesn't know what works and what doesn't against Gojo. There is the possibility she uses the darkness devil bio destruction move, or she could use something else. Meanwhile almost anything Gojo decides to use will be lethal.
What you say makes sense, I agree with you, my vote is for gojoHP, red and blue bypasses all of Makima's immortality. Her resurrection is not combat applicable, as she will technically be revived but as a different person (Nayuta). If thats what you're referring to, its not a factor here. Makima does have dura neg but nearly all of Gojo's attacks would paste her, which would lead to the same result.
Idk what you're talking about, mid-high regen end is being used here. Mid-high means she can regenerate from small parts of herself, if HP, Red, Max blue lands there won't be any pieces of her left.
So you admit its PiS at best? Or a plot convenience meaning it is not at all relevant here.
Yes, it is. And even if it's not "that" big. Gojo can literally discern figures from kilometers away, human sized figures. Pretty sure thats not that far off from Makima's feat. Plus it doesn't really matter, of course Makima would have a visual on Gojo at all times, via lower lifeforms.
My point isn't that she can avoid Gojo's attacks, it's just an advantage. Makima has a higher chance of survival with it, making her chances of death less than 100%.
Realistically, what can Gojo do if Makima strikes first? Both have lethal win cons, so the victor depends on who can activate theirs faster and that’s clearly Makima.
How does her reaction speed helps her pull the trigger faster, exactly? She can react faster, that's all. If we think of this like a mexican standoff, Gojo has a gun with 4 chambers and he has 3 bullets loaded in. Out of his 4 common starting moves, 3 would kill Makima. Makima has a gun with who knows how many chambers and only 1 bullet loaded in, her 1 bullet being the darkness devil bio manip.
Yeah, they are. Makima would see via precog that she'd die but she wouldn't see in what manner. Which further improves Gojo's chances, if she doesn't know what exactly it is that would hit her, then she can't properly plan for it. Actually I imagine Makima would be shaken up if she sees she just dies seemingly out of nowhere with the future devil, with no plausible reason for it happening
Let me break it down for you. Reaction speed, according to the speed page, refers to how fast a character can respond to an event or action. It usually only allows for a short movement in reaction.
I see, then. Gojo loses the quickdraw but the same issue with Gojo's wincons being more likely than Makima's still remain. She has many options she could start with, yet only 1 that would give her the win.
That is way more than enough for Gojo, a CE-less Gojo I mean. Like by the logic that her Telekinesis bypasses Gojo's infinity, it should bypass all of his CE coating defenses and attack his physical body directly, which mind you, is likely if not blatantly weaker than Toji himself even now.
Uh what are you talking about? Why would Telekinesis bypass CE reinforcement?
That depends on how you feel. Do you think Makima would consider that move? It's definitely up there as one of her strongest, considering it was her trump card against a primal fear. In my interpretation, yes, it would be, but the final factor depends on your subjective opinion of how you think Makima would most logically go about winning.
Yes, and no. There is a subjective part of the argument where what Makima would start with isn't really concrete. Though there are objective facts as well. Facts are: Makima hasn't always started with this move, even in times where it would be useful (Against the gun devil and CSM), Makima has so many moves to choose from many of which would be lethal normally but completely useless in the face of infinity, and finally, Makima has no idea what Gojo could do, more specifically, she has no idea about limitless and therefore doesn't know that 90% of her kit would be useless against this guy.
Bang won't work. Class M against Class G ls.
Yeah, Gojo would shrug it off. My point is that she uses bang, Gojo uses red. Bang lands and Gojo's fine, red lands and makima's dead. You can substitute red for HP or max blue too, whatever Gojo's feeling.
It causes cerebral hemorrhaging, given the victims bleed from the eyes and nose, killing them. Shown in chapter 33, episode 11, and chapter 66.
It's a striking visual, but what we're told and shown in the chapters takes precedent. Any nosebleeds Gojo had weren't even a fraction as dramatic as what Makima could apply, which makes sense since he was damaging just the right prefrontal cortex.
Gojo was risking death every time he used his burnout RCT trick, he couldn't do it more than 5 times because the damage buildup was simply too great. In the first place, severe brain damage interferes with Curse Techniques and Reverse Curse Technique— Gojo might even just die immediately if the part in charge of RCT gets damaged.
I mean the outer coating of the reinforcement, because it's simply the same as infinity, an outer barrier. If bypassing Infinity is possible, then so is that coating.
My mistake then, still my argument about the head still stays there.
She could easily find it out, controling some puppets and ask for his full name (the police for example) is as simple as it is.
Man, they do be not careful at all with this stuff huh... Bah forget it touching any JJK profile at all is a hassle, so I give up on this part.
Is this stated, or conjecture? Tho it doesn't really matter, just curious.
Cursed energy reinforces the body, not coat it in some armor.
What if she attacks him 6 times over with that then? It's not like Makima couldn't spam that attack either, in fact she seems to be able to casually use it, and I don't think fighting constant brain damage on this level would really give Gojo any chance to fight back.Is this stated, or conjecture? Tho it doesn't really matter, just curious.
There is nothing to take precedent over anything here, the visual doesn't contradict what happens in the chapter. The reason he only had a nosebleed and wasn't bleeding from every opening in his face was because he could still heal enough to keep his brain intact, just not enough to recover domain expansion. Cause if he couldn't, his brain would just malfunction. This is literally what happened against the goon makima used it on, it started as a nosebleed but since he didn't have any way to heal or stop the bleeding it got worse, Gojo could heal it even after healing it multiple times over. We also see the effects Sukuna received which were directly compared to Gojo's and it was just as bad as what the goon experienced.
And he still did it, right? I don't see the point here. He was able to heal himself 5 times over before reaching his limit, effects worse than what Makima has shown herself capable of.
My guy, Gojo reds her after she uses it once.
You're right that it isn't concrete, I agree, but I'd have to disagree with some of your reasoning.
The takedown was done in a way to efficiently get the Gun Devil into Aki's corpse as soon as possible, hence why she chose not to use her stronger abilities.
Makima didn't need it per se but it would've been very useful against him. Also like, Makima's mentality going into this fight versus her mentality against the darkness devil are probably worlds apart. Sure, she has prior knowledge on Gojo's status, but that's just vague enough for her to not use conquest immediately. Against the primal devil, she knows exactly how strong it is. Her starting with it against the darkness devil, a primal, doesn't mean she would against someone she doesn't know, someone she only has a vague idea of.
I mean all I remember, and also visually, is that most of the CE is coated outside the body.
"The meantime" here might take even days (because again, Gojo ain't finding Makima), Gojo will eventually let his guard down and it's not like if a Police asking with reasons like "just patrolling, picking random dudes, you look quite weird yourself with that getup" will make Gojo go all sus either, he doesn't know a heck about Makima, it's not like Gojo is gonna acting suspicious and cause a scene either, it's literally unlike him to do so.
Because there is 0 CE for Gojo to be able to detect it, let alone the range at which Makima could activate her abilities being about 500km at the least.
Ah yes, apparently growing large blood swords from inside of Gojo's brain and killing him instantly isn't considered "anything", cool enough I guess, and don't forget that I said "power could be fed until strong enough", like that one thing is literally canon, power feeds on some zombie flesh is enough for her horns to grow thrice the original size already.
How? Like she uses it once, Gojo gets brain damage and couldn't dish out any attacks, he heals and she spams that same attack again. The matter here is that Gojo could only heal 1 part of his brain with less damage than what Makima did to Darkness (making it bleeds out a puddle of blood from all of it's faces) and that is with time, Makima could just spam her attack with 0 consequences at all.
Conjecture. There's no other organ that could cause that kind of deadly hemorrhaging when damaged.
I don't agree. If the visual was accurate, where did all of that blood go? Clearly not out his nose, it was only a small bleed until the 5th attempt. RCT doesn't make the blood that has already left the circulatory system vanish.
This instantly shut down Sukuna's ability to access his Domain or heal any more brain damage. It also isn't nearly as severe as the Darkness Devil's hemmorhaging.
From just damaging his right prefrontal cortex and healing it. And only 5 times, which at the same time made opening his Domain an instant death. Because sorcerers simply do not handle brain damage well.
Uh-uh. It's not vague. Speaking of the scenario itself, both are practically the same thing. Makima doesn't use Conquest and knows she's facing a strong opponent. We don't have a reason to look around the circle or maybe you need to bring me to the side of the park you're on, because I'm reflecting on my latter statement.
Take note of everything above.
If Gojo’s domain works on her and tries to win through 1 day of incapacitation, the odds work out to about a 0.23% chance of him dying through her contract before he reaches the 24 hour mark.
Why bother speak of this as if it would work?
How do you think Mahoraga got vaporized bro. At no point in time will Gojo ever going to hold his entire domain for a day.
I’m pretty sure Gojo is Class M rn. There’s legit no class G calcs for JJK rn on their profiles
They’re trying to ask about the win con of Gojo holding his Domain up for an entire day to keep Makima incapacitated or run her lives and end up killing himself. Which is like really unrealistic considering all he needs to do is launch a purple to end the fight + he’ll never do that win con.
The thread is only like 12 hours old
Yeah I know it isn’t a realistic scenario, I was merely quantifying what someone else already suggested for fun.
