Tyrants of Time and Code - Dark King Fu (DBH) VS Crandle (PGR) [5-0-9]

[Shiroiyo]

Fu (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)

Fu (フュー, Fyū?) is the son of Mira (Heroes) and Towa (Heroes). He appears in Super Dragon Ball Heroes as an overarching antagonist for the Prison Planet Saga and Universal Conflict Saga and main antagonist for the entire Big Bang Mission. His ultimate goal is to absorb the energy from all 12...

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Cradle (Punishing: Gray Raven)

Cradle, is the physical embodiment of the Red Tide and it's Will. She is later revealed to be the current timeline reincarnation of Agent Zero. Tier: At least High 6-A | Low 1-C, Possibly 1-B Key: Base | Agent Zero Name: Cradle, Agent Zero Origin: Punishing: Gray Raven Gender: Female Age...

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Speed is equal, anything else is SBA.

Fu: @Shar122, @MeiouHades, @TheGodOfICE777, @PedjaTarzan, @CastoriceTheFifth
Cradle:
Incon: @AlipheeseXIV, @Ottavio_Merluzzo, @TheGreatJedi13, @Killerdrone123, @Braking, @Richtofen115rdg5, @Dagoth_OwO, @CelestialVortex01, @AwkguyDB

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Umm... Cradle has 6D hax

 

[Shiroiyo]

Umm... Cradle has 6D hax

I remember talking to AlipheeseXIV (Pyke) about it and metaphysical haxes/reality bending stuff can't have smurf potency under current standards, it's just range. So this matchup should still work

 

[Killerdrone123]

Dark king fu has dark factor that has passive layered(3 layers) madness manipulation type 2 does cradle have enough layered resistance to it?

 

[Shar122]

Alright, what stopping Fu from Absorbing her.. And gaining her abilities?? Plus he has layered Madness hax type 2, Passive Stamina reduction (which can passively reduce her stamina to 1) + Immeasurable LS telekinesis is nasty as well.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Dark king fu has dark factor that has passive layered(3 layers) madness manipulation type 2 does cradle have enough layered resistance to it?

Yeah she does cuz her own madness hax has superior potency

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Alright, what stopping Fu from Absorbing her.. And gaining her abilities?? Plus he has layered Madness hax type 2, Passive Stamina reduction (which can passively reduce her stamina to 1) + Immeasurable LS telekinesis is nasty as well.

If Fu absorbs her uh...gets cooked by 6D madness hax, corruption, and has to deal with a type 1 6D persona that has CM1 so...not sure if that's the best play for him here. He also has no way of using any info analysis on her since, since with type 1 Info manip it's impossible to gain any knowledge on the PV. Not sure how the stamina reduction will work when she has infinite stamina and can just make new bodies and stuff?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Fu (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)

Fu (フュー, Fyū?) is the son of Mira (Heroes) and Towa (Heroes). He appears in Super Dragon Ball Heroes as an overarching antagonist for the Prison Planet Saga and Universal Conflict Saga and main antagonist for the entire Big Bang Mission. His ultimate goal is to absorb the energy from all 12...

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Cradle (Punishing: Gray Raven)

Cradle, is the physical embodiment of the Red Tide and it's Will. She is later revealed to be the current timeline reincarnation of Agent Zero. Tier: At least High 6-A | Low 1-C, Possibly 1-B Key: Base | Agent Zero Name: Cradle, Agent Zero Origin: Punishing: Gray Raven Gender: Female Age...

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Speed is equal, anything else is SBA.

Fu:
Cradle:
Incon:

Wait a min, if it's Agent Zero key how can Fu ever hope to kill Cradle if he can't absorb/seal her? Her Type 2 AE is linked to the Hetero Tower and Fu has no hope of circumventing that. He also would have to destroy the red tide to bypass her AE type 1 which I also don't see how he's doing that even if he can interact with it?

 

[Shar122]

If Fu absorbs her uh...gets cooked by 6D madness hax, corruption, and has to deal with a type 1 6D persona that has CM1 so...not sure if that's the best play for him here. He also has no way of using any info analysis on her since, since with type 1 Info manip it's impossible to gain any knowledge on the PV. Not sure how the stamina reduction will work when she has infinite stamina and can just make new bodies and stuff?

Madness hax and Corruption doesn't pertain to level of of any dimensional axis like 6D.., you need to prove that she can indeed resist madness hax on a layered sense plus Fu himself resist layered corruption and madness hax so he will resist it just fine.., and for passive stamina reduction Fu's dimensional domain works on the androids (who has infinite stamina) + it also makes someone unable to fight/move, unable to use any abilities/hax.
He can copy/reflect any non cm hax ~~for now~~ he also have Overwhelming Aura which can inevitably crush her into oblivion as the Dark King that warps the whole multiverse.
He can sense killing intent, if he senses she is going to kill him + he will immediately go for the kill, however Dimensional domain could already do the job.

 

[Shar122]

Wait a min, if it's Agent Zero key how can Fu ever hope to kill Cradle if he can't absorb/seal her? Her Type 2 AE is linked to the Hetero Tower and Fu has no hope of circumventing that. He also would have to destroy the red tide to bypass her AE type 1 which I also don't see how he's doing that even if he can interact with it?

What's her AE type 1?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Firstly, dimensionality doesn't matter in abstract haxes [like fate, mind Manipulation, madness etc...] only layers, so how many layers does she has for her madness Manipulation resistance? Secondly, Characters in dbh can effec the stamina of beings with infinite stamina, so during the fight, she'll continuously get more tired, her stamina getting depleted until she is stunned. And thirdly, I don't see no fusions resistance in her profile so Fu could just forcefully fuse with her. And fourthly, how does her CM1 exactly work?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Madness hax and Corruption doesn't pertain to level of of any dimensional axis like 6D.., you need to prove that she can indeed resist madness hax on a layered sense plus Fu himself resist layered corruption and madness hax so he will resist it just fine.., and for passive stamina reduction Fu's dimensional domain works on the androids (who has infinite stamina) + it also makes someone unable to fight/move, unable to use any abilities/hax.
He can copy/reflect any non cm hax ~~for now~~ he also have Overwhelming Aura which can inevitably crush her into oblivion as the Dark King that warps the whole multiverse.
He can sense killing intent, if he senses she is going to kill him + he will immediately go for the kill, however Dimensional domain could already do the job.

You seem to misunderstand...Cradle has superior stats than him, she also already resists power null/purification that is from a far superior being. So that domain won't work on her, he cannot copy any non CM hax as I already stated it is impossible to get any knowledge of the punishing virus due it's type 1 info manip. The overwhelming hax is useless because he cannot kill her, sensing killing intent is cool and all but she's still going to beat him because she has AD & RE that works instantly.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

What's her AE type 1?

Red Tide that exists in the Hetero Tower which is 1C, way beyond what Fu can do. Her AE type 2 is then linked to said Tower, he has no way of killing her

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Firstly, dimensionality doesn't matter in abstract haxes [like fate, mind Manipulation, madness etc...] only layers, so how many layers does she has for her madness Manipulation resistance? Secondly, Characters in dbh can effec the stamina of beings with infinite stamina, so during the fight, she'll continuously get more tired, her stamina getting depleted until she is stunned.

She resists a 6D power null & purification that passively drains her abilities (which equate to stamina) I do not see any possible way for that to ever work on her.

And thirdly, I don't see no fusions resistance in her profile so Fu could just forcefully fuse with her. And fourthly, how does her CM1 exactly work?

She doesn't need resistance, Fu will die if he absorbs her. The Type 1 CM works exactly as it says, it destroys and can also even corrupt concepts, if Fu absorbs her he's cooked

 

[Shar122]

You seem to misunderstand...Cradle has superior stats than him, she also already resists power null/purification that is from a far superior being. So that domain won't work on her, he cannot copy any non CM hax as I already stated it is impossible to get any knowledge of the punishing virus due it's type 1 info manip. The overwhelming hax is useless because he cannot kill her, sensing killing intent is cool and all but she's still going to beat him because she has AD & RE that works instantly.

How many low 1-C structures she scale to? Plus Stamina reduction =/= Power null/purification, any beings who resist power null doesn't grant any notable resistance to stamina reduction, that's why Stamina reduction and Power null/Purification are separate in the wiki, if they are only one thing these system of abilities then both should fused together. And That doesn't matter since Fu's Dark factor can corrupt the time scrolls themselves which are data and information type 2.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

How many low 1-C structures she scale to?

She scales to a 1C structure, she's only not 1C because she doesn't "fully" scale it.

Plus Stamina reduction =/= Power null/purification, any beings who resist power null doesn't grant any notable resistance to stamina reduction, that's why Stamina reduction and Power null/Purification are separate in the wiki, if they are only thing these system of abilities.

Yes, that is true but the effects of stamina reduction are worse and function similarly to said power null & purification (because her power is a UES). Fu's stam reduction is also not instant, and even if it was she can just continue using the PV to restore her stamina.

And That doesn't matter since Fu's Dark factor can corrupt the time scrolls themselves which are data and information type 2.

Yeah, but he doesn't have the range to corrupt here or potency

 

[Shar122]

She scales to a 1C structure, she's only not 1C because she doesn't "fully" scale it.

Yes, that is true but the effects of stamina reduction are worse and function similarly to said power null & purification (because her power is a UES). Fu's stam reduction is also not instant, and even if it was she can just continue using the PV to restore her stamina.

Yeah, but he doesn't have the range to corrupt here or potency

What does "doesn't fully to scale to the 1-C" structure even means? Can you clarify that? If she's 1-C , then this match isn't viable at all.

His stamina reduction doesn't functionally act as a power null, I don't see any notable resistance to regarding to such at all. Nulling and purifying abilities is good and all. But stamina reduc doesn't equate to the properties of power null.. Because in game, those who has resistance to power null doesn't necessarily resist stamina reduction, frankly it isn't the same.

Fu's stamina reduction is passive btw.

This; Abstract Existence (Type 1: Energy, Emotions, Thoughts & Information [Type 2]).

Fu has no problem interacting with this at all.

 

[Vietthai96]

what??, why??, anyway, under SBA Fu in his strongest key, which is Fu: Youth with UT power, he just passively destroy Cradle with his aura

 

[Robo432343]

what??, why??, anyway, under SBA Fu in his strongest key, which is Fu: Youth with UT power, he just passively destroy Cradle with his aura

they are saying her resistances are 6-D

 

[Shar122]

what??, why??, anyway, under SBA Fu in his strongest key, which is Fu: Youth with UT power, he just passively destroy Cradle with his aura

Oh damn .. This is a stomp then

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Would it better if ww use UT fu instead?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

What does "doesn't fully to scale to the 1-C" structure even means? Can you clarify that? If she's 1-C , then this match isn't viable at all.

I'm ngl man...I don't even know myself, that's just what a staff said before and I kinda just rolled with it. I guess it means her hax are that lvl but she herself is not? No clue man

His stamina reduction doesn't functionally act as a power null, I don't see any notable resistance to regarding to such at all. Nulling and purifying abilities is good and all. But stamina reduc doesn't equate to the properties of power null.. Because in game, those who has resistance to power null doesn't necessarily resist stamina reduction, frankly it isn't the same.

Yes but it doesn't change the fact that she can circumvent said stamina red the same way.

Fu's stamina reduction is passive btw.

That's good...it isn't instant then, she can just continue using the PV to infinitely repair her stam

This; Abstract Existence (Type 1: Energy, Emotions, Thoughts & Information [Type 2]).

Fu has no problem interacting with this at all.

Yes, sure he can interact with it but he cannot actually fully destroy the abstraction. It exists outside his range

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

what??, why??, anyway, under SBA Fu in his strongest key, which is Fu: Youth with UT power, he just passively destroy Cradle with his aura

Not really, she has 6D resistance

 

[Vietthai96]

they are saying her resistances are 6-D

Not really, she has 6D resistance

Nonphysical haxes do not have dimensionality anymore and Fu UT Aura also contain raw AP power like UT CC Goku, so even if Cradle resists haxes, she still nee to deal with passive 5D AP aura. Unless you both want to say she can resists 6D AP

 

[Shar122]

I'm ngl man...I don't even know myself, that's just what a staff said before and I kinda just rolled with it. I guess it means her hax are that lvl but she herself is not? No clue man

Yes but it doesn't change the fact that she can circumvent said stamina red the same way.

That's good...it isn't instant then, she can just continue using the PV to infinitely repair her stam

Yes, sure he can interact with it but he cannot actually fully destroy the abstraction. It exists outside his range

No, if she's rated Low 1-C, it doesn't mean she herself has 1-C stats, if she doesn't scale to it, and just affected an insignificant structure of a 6D construct, then that's just 6D range, you need to prove she can affect the integral 6D structure's totality.
more like she has low 1-C stats and 1-C hax, except for the metaphysical haxes which Fu shines on and just erase her.

 

[Shar122]

Nonphysical haxes do not have dimensionality anymore and Fu UT Aura also contain raw AP power like UT CC Goku, so even if Cradle resists haxes, she still nee to deal with passive 5D AP aura. Unless you both want to say she can resists 6D AP

If she can resist 6D Ap her durability should be rated as 6D but it's just 5D which will not help at all...

Low Complex Multiverse level (Can fight evenly with Lucia Pyroath, who was capable of breaking multiple shields deployed by Vonnegut, with each shield having the durability to completely neutralize attacks from the core of the Hetero Tower made to erase him, these shields are also able to keep Nemo alive for an unknown amount of time within the fog. A realm of temporal chaos where time doesn't exist.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cradle_(Punishing:_Gray_Raven)#cite_note-AP2-60"><span>[</span>Statistics Values 2<span>]</span></a>)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Nonphysical haxes do not have dimensionality anymore and Fu UT Aura also contain raw AP power like UT CC Goku, so even if Cradle resists haxes, she still nee to deal with passive 5D AP aura. Unless you both want to say she can resists 6D AP

She doesn't have to resist 6D AP to resist 5D AP aura, I'm confused lmao

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

No, if she's rated Low 1-C, it doesn't mean she herself has 1-C stats, if she doesn't scale to it, and just affected an insignificant structure of a 6D construct, then that's just 6D range, you need to prove she can affect its totality.
more like she has low 1-C stats and 1-C hax, except for the metaphysical haxes which Fu shines on and just erase her.

Fu can't erase her. We've already discussed this, he does not have the necessary AP or range to do so

 

[Shiroiyo]

Let me clarify a few things, I am using Dark King Fu as you can read in the title, I even linked his dark king key for that purpose, if Universe Tree Fu stomps, there's no point in using him. Cradle's has AE2 based on a 6-D realm, she doesn't have 6-D AP and dura afaik.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

She does not have 6D AP, just hax. I'm honestly not sure with the whole durability thing because of the whole "full scaling" or whatever so the 5D is what it'll stay as for now

 

[Shar122]

Fu can't erase her. We've already discussed this, he does not have the necessary AP or range to do so

Her stats isn't 6D...its just her AE type 2 is just tied to it.. She gets incaps over and over by Dark King Fu's Overwhelming 5D Aura... And it doesn't stop Fu from fusing with her... She has resistance to Absorption that's cool but not Fusionism.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Her stats isn't 6D...its just her AE type 2 is just tied to it.. She gets incaps .. over and over by Dark King Fu's Overwhelming 5D Aura.

What? Am I misunderstanding something? Can you explain why a 5D character gets incapped by a 5D aura?

 

[Shar122]

What? Am I misunderstanding something? Can you explain why a 5D character gets incapped by a 5D aura?

fu's Overwhelming Aura scales to infinite amount of 5D structures, which is also tied to His infinite 5D AP.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

fu's Overwhelming Aura scales to infinite amount of 5D structures, which is also tied to His infinite 5D AP.

Where exactly is this stated?

 

[Shar122]

Where exactly is this stated?

SDBH has infinite amount of 5D hypertimelines here, and also Aura (for All Ki users) in DBH, or DB in general are tied to their stats..

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[Vietthai96]

Let me clarify a few things, I am using Dark King Fu as you can read in the title, I even linked his dark king key for that purpose, if Universe Tree Fu stomps, there's no point in using him. Cradle's has AE2 based on a 6-D realm, she doesn't have 6-D AP and dura afaik.

You need to mention in the OP what key you are using for the character you use in the match, otherwise under SBA both characters are in their strongest form

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

SDBH has infinite amount of 5D hypertimelines here, and also Aura (for All Ki users) in DBH, or DB in general are tied to their stats..

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Ah ok, then yeah her physical form can be destroyed with that but the issue still lies with what happens if she decides to just run and corrupt the entire space Fu resides in with superior hax & range?

 

[Shar122]

I'm probably voting Fu, he incaps her with Overwhelming infinite 5D Aura over and over, sensing her killing intent. Fu will fuse with her body.. Gaining her abilities/haxes for himself + He has crazy AD + Reactive Evolution due to amalgamation of cells of various fighters, Saiyans RE is busted in SDBH. even Goku goes from 2-C (follows events of DBS, to the tournament of power)(known as CC Goku) to immediately infinite low 1-C (fighting Xeno Goku etc. ) and Fu has CC Goku, CC Vegeta cells etc.. Also his Dark has Corrosion inducement, Deconstruction (Dark Ki and Negative energy can passively corrode the world, lay waste in the multiverse etc..), Morality hax etc.. Which probably she doesn't resist.. He can also seal her (seals her to any timeline or era) which needs to multiple 5D range to reach him (each timeline is 5D).. And his Corruption will just inevitably corrupt her, since even Dark Ki can corrupt Time scrolls (which is Data and info type 2, IZ's AE (Abstract emotions, thoughts and wills) etc.)
Also I should mention that Fu is a Supergenius and some sort of Technopathy as well? Infinite LS telekinesis is nasty as well.

 

[Shar122]

Ah ok, then yeah her physical form can be destroyed with that but the issue still lies with what happens if she decides to just run and corrupt the entire space Fu resides in with superior hax & range?

Her range is low complex multi afaik actually + Only the Hetero Tower is 6D, she doesn't have HDE (6D) herself. Her AE type 1 is interactive.
More like, The Tower just protects her overall.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Reactive Evolution due to amalgamation of cells of various fighters, Saiyans RE is busted in SDBH. even Goku goes from 2-C (follows events of DBS, to the tournament of power)(known as CC Goku) to immediately infinite low 1-C

That's not RE...