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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Johner2133451 said:
Finally this month old CRT got approved

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Bleach: The Miracle minor stuff

1. Gerard should have a more elaborated explaination for the weakness of his mid godly regen as it's confirmed by Kubo that destroying his cross would result his death https://www.fanverse.org/threads/klub-outside-kubo-answers-translations.1239498/ Q475: Gerard's Schrift, "M - The Miracle"...
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Just made a CRT to fix some thing in @Johner2133451 's thread

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Gerard Minor revision

In this thread gerard's cross inside his head has been accepted as weakness. https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleach-the-miracle-minor-stuff.178962/#post-7110825 Now some core things has been ignored while adding the weakness. 1. Interpretation of kubo's answer. 2. Ignoring feats. Kubo's...
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AppleLord said:
Yes, it is Aizen, Urahara, and Quilge. I’ve checked their profiles, but they don’t seem to link to any clear sources for the scaling. I feel like I shouldn’t need to ask here just to understand it—ideally, the profiles themselves would make that information accessible without having to be pointed elsewhere.
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Gremmy -> Yamamoto -> Aizen -> Urahara -> Quilge… it’s on Aizen’s profile brother cheese 😭
 
Johner2133451 said:
Btw, could Byakuya get the same tier as Gerard (multi solar)? Since he damaged his body
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No, they are not on the same level.

In the fight with Base Gerard, Gerard deliberately takes damage to become a giant

His other feat is to be able to hit Gerard who Toshiro froze. Since Toshiro froze all his abilities and features, it would be wrong to scale Byakuya to FP Gerard.

Besides, he has anti-feats that show that he should not scale to Gerard:

He felt the need to open Bankai against Robert.

He felt the need to escape Candice's attack.

In the anime, he could not destroy the creatures (I don't know what their names are) that fell from the Soul King's palace. He could destroy them in the manga version. But this was changed in the anime version.

In my opinion, Byakuya should not be scaled even to Final form Yammy, but it is extremely difficult to get this accepted here and put it in the profiles. We have already discussed it.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
No, they are not on the same level.

In the fight with Base Gerard, Gerard deliberately takes damage to become a giant

His other feat is to be able to hit Gerard who Toshiro froze. Since Toshiro froze all his abilities and features, it would be wrong to scale Byakuya to FP Gerard.

Besides, he has anti-feats that show that he should not scale to Gerard:

He felt the need to open Bankai against Robert.

He felt the need to escape Candice's attack.

In the anime, he could not destroy the creatures (I don't know what their names are) that fell from the Soul King's palace. He could destroy them in the manga version. But this was changed in the anime version.

In my opinion, Byakuya should not be scaled even to Final form Yammy, but it is extremely difficult to get this accepted here and put it in the profiles. We have already discussed it.
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I mean technically Toshiro's power only powernulls, it doesn't have statistic reduction

I feel like Byakuya can have the tier but only with his massive barrage attack (similar to how Gremmy can only have multi solar AP with his clones)
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
No, they are not on the same level.

In the fight with Base Gerard, Gerard deliberately takes damage to become a giant

His other feat is to be able to hit Gerard who Toshiro froze. Since Toshiro froze all his abilities and features, it would be wrong to scale Byakuya to FP Gerard.

Besides, he has anti-feats that show that he should not scale to Gerard:

He felt the need to open Bankai against Robert.

He felt the need to escape Candice's attack.

In the anime, he could not destroy the creatures (I don't know what their names are) that fell from the Soul King's palace. He could destroy them in the manga version. But this was changed in the anime version.

In my opinion, Byakuya should not be scaled even to Final form Yammy, but it is extremely difficult to get this accepted here and put it in the profiles. We have already discussed it.
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You made some good points but saying byakuya couldn't overpower a swarm of soul king creatures that literally no one could do except aizen isn't an anti feat.

Byakuya ends fight quickly, it doesn't mean he is less powerful, he enters bankai faster than many characters to end the fight and always evade hits even if they wouldn't damage him. He is not a brute like zaraki. So using Robert and candice isn't an anti feat either.

But Byakuya would prolly not scale for now, no evidence to prove this. The anime might change that.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Byakuya ends fight quickly, it doesn't mean he is less powerful, he enters bankai faster than many characters to end the fight and always evade hits even if they wouldn't damage him. He is not a brute like zaraki. So using Robert and candice isn't an anti feat either.
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But it's used in the description on Candice's profile. That's why I counted it as an anti feat.
 
Shouldn't uryu's seele schneider be 5 times stronger than his regular heilig pfeil? Back in the arrancar he was able to dominate cirruci in her Ressurecion while his arrows couldn't damage her in base and Ressurecion and we know Ressurecion like bankai is a 5 times amp. And If this is the case this should be included in his awakened profile since he momentarily uses seele schneider against ichigo in both the anime and manga.
 
Probably need some input here since the Match is becoming big

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Gerard Valkyrie vs Arthur Boyle (7-0-5)

Eh may change to Gerard too cause of his sword factor. Arthur does have a chance to destroy Gerard's cross inside him which makes Gerard gg but the sword reflecting damage could make Arthur shatter if he breaks it So if he cuts both the cross and the sword both dies? So incon
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Apollonir.Scale said:
No, they are not on the same level.

In the fight with Base Gerard, Gerard deliberately takes damage to become a giant

His other feat is to be able to hit Gerard who Toshiro froze. Since Toshiro froze all his abilities and features, it would be wrong to scale Byakuya to FP Gerard.

Besides, he has anti-feats that show that he should not scale to Gerard:

He felt the need to open Bankai against Robert.

He felt the need to escape Candice's attack.

In the anime, he could not destroy the creatures (I don't know what their names are) that fell from the Soul King's palace. He could destroy them in the manga version. But this was changed in the anime version.

In my opinion, Byakuya should not be scaled even to Final form Yammy, but it is extremely difficult to get this accepted here and put it in the profiles. We have already discussed it.
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Byakuya should scale above Renji and Uryu.
 
Unless the anime changes the Gerard fight (it could), then no Byakuya has 0 feats against Gerard. In fact last time we saw him in cour 3, Gerard one tapped him in his giant form lol. The cope is that they bring back Shukei Hakuteiken and that scales
 
Yeah I don't really recall Byakuya doing anything vs Gerard. The only thing he did was a combo attack with Toshiro and Kenpachi and by feats he definitely was carried by those two. It's pretty disappointing considering Ikka Senjinka was pretty cool. Hopefully he has a bigger role in the Gerard fight in Cour 4.

Man the wait for this cour is killing me.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Unless the anime changes the Gerard fight (it could), then no Byakuya has 0 feats against Gerard. In fact last time we saw him in cour 3, Gerard one tapped him in his giant form lol. The cope is that they bring back Shukei Hakuteiken and that scales
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Byakuya literally stopped Final Form Gerard’s hand trying to attack him just to turn his back on him and turn around to talk to Renji and Rukia telling them to go meet with Ichigo.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Shouldn't uryu's seele schneider be 5 times stronger than his regular heilig pfeil? Back in the arrancar he was able to dominate cirruci in her Ressurecion while his arrows couldn't damage her in base and Ressurecion and we know Ressurecion like bankai is a 5 times amp. And If this is the case this should be included in his awakened profile since he momentarily uses seele schneider against ichigo in both the anime and manga.
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Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Tbh why would Renji be more powerful than Byakuya? They both got the same S0 training, but Byakuya was already stronger prior to this so wouldn't he still be stronger after?
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Because he’s got better scaling and there’s nothing that says Byakuya is as strong or stronger. If we just did “training” scaling then Renji, Byakuya, and Rukia would all be as strong as Ichigo. And that’s clearly not the case.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Because he’s got better scaling and there’s nothing that says Byakuya is as strong or stronger. If we just did “training” scaling then Renji, Byakuya, and Rukia would all be as strong as Ichigo. And that’s clearly not the case.
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No they wouldn't since Ichigo is not a normal Shinigami, no reason that “training” would bridge that gap.
 
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