Fusion Reborn: Janemba addition

[Infinite9Luck]

Hi everyone, today I'll revise some abilities shown and explained in Anime Jump library for the movie Fusion Reborn and Janemba.

1. Janemba transformation is not random, but it should be classified as reactive evolution.

Spoiler: 1

変身を遂げたのだ！
He had undergone a full transformation!

悟空との戦闘経験と怨念が、ジャネンバを進化させたのである。
His battle experience with Goku — combined with his grudge — evolved Janenba.

一度は明らかに悟空の前に立って敗北をしてしまったジャネンバ。
Janenba, who once clearly stood before Goku and suffered defeat.

Janemba created and evolved his body, in order to defeat Goku after he lost to him, that's the reason he undergo a transformation which also increased his power, speed and hax.

2. Janemba should get Fusionism with evil energy

Spoiler: 2

the reason why he can predict Goku movements, or seemingly do whatever he wants is also thanks to the fact Janemba can take control of an universe, (this world) was stated to be already part of Janenmba.

This would also be added to the justification of his range (Low Multiversal), since he filled the whole After Life with Evil Energy.

しかも、悟空のいる場所めがけて、寸分の狂いもなく見舞われて来るのだ。
Moreover, it strikes precisely at Goku’s location, without the slightest deviation.

悪の気が充満した、この世界すべてが、すでにジャネンバの一部なのか!?
Could it be that this entire world, filled with evil energy, is already part of Janenba!?

3. Janemba should get Immortality Type 8 / possibly AE (type 2)

Spoiler: 3

Janemba is stated to be the crystallisation of evil spirit itself formed by evil energy, the same evil energy that is stated to still fill a whole universe, Janemba is also able to recreate his body by materialising it and even regenerate his wounds, and needed to be purified and cleansed by Gogeta to be killed completely, not simply brute strenght.

いわば邪心の結晶ともいうべき、ジャネンバの恐怖の能力が、ここに明らかになる。
You could say he is the crystallization of evil spirt itself — Janenba’s terrifying power is now revealed here.

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Putyar_Lennya, LuffyRuffy46307, LephyrTheRevanchist, ProfectusInfinity, TheGodOfICE777, AwkguyDB, Killerdrone123, Shar122, FinePoint
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Putyar_Lennya]

Janemba should get Immortality Type 8

Spoiler: 3

Janemba is stated to be the crystallisation of evil spirit itself formed by evil energy, the same evil energy that is stated to still fill a whole universe, Janemba is also able to recreate his body by materialising it and even regenerate his wounds, and needed to be purified and cleansed by Gogeta to be killed completely, not simply brute strenght.

いわば邪心の結晶ともいうべき、ジャネンバの恐怖の能力が、ここに明らかになる。
You could say he is the crystallization of evil spirt itself — Janenba’s terrifying power is now revealed here.

"Crystallization of Evil Spirit" The text explicitly states Janemba is the "crystallization of evil spirit itself formed by evil energy." His very being is tied to a fundamental, conceptual force – the concentrated evil of the universe. immortality type 8 often involves being an abstract entity or a concept. His ability to recreate his body and regenerate wounds indicates a resilience beyond normal physical beings.

The crucial point is that Janemba "needed to be purified and cleansed by Gogeta to be killed completely, not simply brute strength." This strongly implies that destroying his physical form isn't enough. His essence, the evil spirit, needs to be dealt with on a different level, which is a hallmark of Immortality type 8 (conceptual immortality). the rest i agree except Immortality 8 which is not clearly proven

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Everything seems very good to me, I think type 8 immortality goes well, because he needs the evil energy to live to get it... just be connected there is something.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

"Crystallization of Evil Spirit" The text explicitly states Janemba is the "crystallization of evil spirit itself formed by evil energy." His very being is tied to a fundamental, conceptual force – the concentrated evil of the universe. immortality type 8 often involves being an abstract entity or a concept. His ability to recreate his body and regenerate wounds indicates a resilience beyond normal physical beings.

The crucial point is that Janemba "needed to be purified and cleansed by Gogeta to be killed completely, not simply brute strength." This strongly implies that destroying his physical form isn't enough. His essence, the evil spirit, needs to be dealt with on a different level, which is a hallmark of Immortality type 8 (conceptual immortality). the rest i agree except Immortality 8 which is not clearly proven

Sometimes immortality type 8 isn't always based on a concept, the guy can even be linked to a stone that gives him immortality and as long as that stone isn't destroyed he can't die (the case of Aizen here who is linked to a stone that gives him immortality).

Another example is that you can use a golen that also needs to destroy its core, if you don't destroy it, it will keep coming back.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Putyar_Lennya]

Sometimes immortality type 8 isn't always based on a concept, the guy can even be linked to a stone that gives him immortality and as long as that stone isn't destroyed he can't die (the case of Aizen here who is linked to a stone that gives him immortality).

Another example is that you can use a golen that also needs to destroy its core, if you don't destroy it, it will keep coming back.

ouhh, my bad. i'm not learn like that, thanks for the information... i agree

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

OUHH, my bad. I'm not learning like that, thanks for the information... I agree.

All right, that's the way it is, bro.

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

4. Gogeta resistance to Analytical Prediction.

Could have sworn this exact point with the same reasoning was discussed and rejected before

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Could have sworn this exact point with the same reasoning was discussed and rejected before

I checked the past thread, but no one actually posted the scan stating that the evil energy filled an entire universe, or that the Afterlife is part of Janemba. So it's not the same reasoning at all.

The reason the feat was removed was simply because “Gogeta is much stronger and faster”, but as I explained in the OP, speed is irrelevant in this case, since Janemba is part of the Afterlife itself. Simply Gogeta genuinely has resistance to Janemba’s ability.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Should be fine

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

I checked the past thread, but no one actually posted the scan stating that the evil energy filled an entire universe, or that the Afterlife is part of Janemba. So it's not the same reasoning at all.

The reason the feat was removed was simply because “Gogeta is much stronger and faster”, but as I explained in the OP, speed is irrelevant in this case, since Janemba is part of the Afterlife itself. Simply Gogeta genuinely has resistance to Janemba’s ability.

The statement is from Veku vs Janemba, it's probably a gag thing, idk what the standards for that kind of thing are but I assume people would find that applying to Gogeta dubious

 

[Infinite9Luck]

The statement is from Veku vs Janemba, it's probably a gag thing, idk what the standards for that kind of thing are but I assume people would find that applying to Gogeta dubious

Oh, if it is rated as gag, I can agree I guess. I can remove that part tbh.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Fantastic research! I agree with the CRT!

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Immortality type 8 is fine, but if he’s the crystallization of evil and exists as long there’s evil in the afterlife that should be AE type 2 (which encompasses immortality type 8).

 

[AwkguyDB]

I agree with the thread and ICE

 

[Killerdrone123]

I agree with the thread and also ICE

 

[Shar122]

I agree with the thread and also ICE

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Immortality type 8 is fine, but if he’s the crystallization of evil and exists as long there’s evil in the afterlife that should be AE type 2 (which encompasses immortality type 8).

Yes, it make sense as well, Evil Spirit/Mind/Energy would be what Janemba embodies.

 

[Shar122]

Bump

 

[Infinite9Luck]

I'll apply the changes tomorrow, if no one give more input.

 

[FinePoint]

1. Janemba transformation is not random, but it should be classified as reactive evolution.

Seems clear.

2. Janemba should get Fusionism with evil energy

Perhaps a "possibly" is more appropriate given the scan phrases it as a question?

Or maybe I just need a little more context.

3. Janemba should get Immortality Type 8 / possibly AE (type 2)

This also seems clear.

 

[FinePoint]

I'll apply the changes tomorrow, if no one give more input.

Well revisions to very popular verses typically requires three approvals.

I'd probably consider Dragon Ball to qualify.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Well revisions to very popular verses typically requires three approvals.

I'd probably consider Dragon Ball to qualify.

Oh, I see, I didn't know, anyway thanks for the input!

Perhaps a "possibly" is more appropriate given the scan phrases it as a question?

Given janemba could manipulate the laws of the place he took control of, seals people, transmute objects, teleport create portals etc.. I thought the databook suggestion in this case is a very appropriate explanation, however, I'm fine with a possibly as well.

 

[FinePoint]

Oh, I see, I didn't know, anyway thanks for the input!

No problem. The general rules are:

Minor Revisions: 1 Approval.
Regular Revisions: 2 Approvals.
Revisions to Popular Verses: 3 Approvals.

If it deals with Tier 2 or above, at least one admin must be part of the approvals.

Given janemba could manipulate the laws of the place he took control of, seals people, transmute objects, teleport create portals etc.. I thought the databook suggestion in this case is a very appropriate explanation, however, I'm fine with a possibly as well.

Well I'm not a DB fan, so I would need scans for the additional context.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Well I'm not a DB fan, so I would need scans for the additional context.

Sure!

Reality Warping & Law Manipulation (His birth and magic were messing with and reversing the laws of reality governing the Other World and the Universe, leading to the dead rising from their graves and other supernatural and physical phenomena outside of the norm)

• Power Nullification (Passively stripped King Yemma off of his powers to judge and manipulate the souls venturing into the Other World)
• Spatial Manipulation & Portal Creation (He can warp space to create portals that punch enemies from afar)

This are the scans accepted on his profile for the abilities mentioned before

 

[Killerdrone123]

Can I know why AE 2 is possibly and not outright cause he was very clearly called crystallization of evil energy/spirit itself

 

[FinePoint]

Sure!

Reality Warping & Law Manipulation (His birth and magic were messing with and reversing the laws of reality governing the Other World and the Universe, leading to the dead rising from their graves and other supernatural and physical phenomena outside of the norm)

• Power Nullification (Passively stripped King Yemma off of his powers to judge and manipulate the souls venturing into the Other World)
• Spatial Manipulation & Portal Creation (He can warp space to create portals that punch enemies from afar)

This are the scans accepted on his profile for the abilities mentioned before

Thank you.

It seems obvious that he has powers and affiliations related to this other reality, and so contextually it makes a lot of sense for the statement to be rhetorical in this case.

Therefore, I agree. (And this can be applied.)

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

This is very easy, for sure

I agree

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Perhaps a "possibly" is more appropriate given the scan phrases it as a question?

Or maybe I just need a little more context.

I think this might help clarify things

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Nice CTR, I agree.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Alright, changes have been applied, thanks everyone for participating!
This can be closed.