Spider-Man vs Ben, The Terrifying Sequel (7-0-0)

[Hellformer]

Let's upgrade Ben's LS to immeresuable real

Humungousaur can pull dudes out of event horizon which requires Infinite LS lol

 

[Lonkitt]

Humungousaur can pull dudes out of event horizon which requires Infinite LS lol

TBF I don’t think that can qualify as an actual event horizon, given how much it isn’t acting like a black hole

 

[Ebihara]

LS meta Spiderman FRA

 

[Hellformer]

I don't think there's gonna be any reasonable gaps for Nanomech to get out of if he has to escape a web cocoon. Even if there was, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense range was able to detect the absence of life on a city wide range (which Ghost Rider confirmed with his own ability to detect souls and life) and track Frank West following him for an hour as well as detect him behind an extremely thick meter wall from several meters away, so he could just web up Nanomech in that state too

Nanomech can shrink his size down upto the length of an atom so unless you can prove spiderman can trap and sense things on that level, Nanomech can effortlessly escape that

 

[Hellformer]

TBF I don’t think that can qualify as an actual event horizon, given how much it isn’t acting like a black hole

Its verbatim stated to be blackhole, do you want the statement?

 

[Lonkitt]

Nanomech can shrink his size down upto the length of an atom so unless you can prove spiderman can trap and sense things on that level, Nanomech can effortlessly escape that

I swear I’m not trying to sound like a dick when I say this but why didn’t bro do that when Gwen hit him with the Book Close No Jutsu

 

[Chariot190]

Let's upgrade Ben's LS to immeresuable real

I'm like 5 seconds away from downgrading his ass into the dirt bro you goons should actually start finding backup shit, looking at some of these calcs and things I'm seeing some actual problems, do NOT force my hand

It doesn't matter if he chooses a wrong option, he can just manually swap to Big Chill, Chromastome or Nanomech, all of them being able to just phase, absorb or evade his webs.

Me when lmao phasing, NPI.
Me when evade how he's trapped, in the time it takes him to transform at BEST, he's being webbed?
Me when why tf is he absorbing webs?

 

[GeneralSol16]

I swear I’m not trying to sound like a dick when I say this but why didn’t bro do that when Gwen hit him with the Book Close No Jutsu

He CAN shrink to that level, buy it's not his base size.
He starts as 1inch tall, so, once Ben uses him to escape, he'll shrink down to that level and that's it lol.

He can attack from his insides just like he did against Mad Way Big (4-A), or just go Swampfire to allow any web shoot to pass throught him so it wouldn't be able to wrap him, or use Echo Echo, it doesn't matter if he losses in LS, he'll just AoE a sonic scream, or better yet, a hundred of them.

 

[Hellformer]

I swear I’m not trying to sound like a dick when I say this but why didn’t bro do that when Gwen hit him with the Book Close No Jutsu

Because there's no point in shrinking in that case? In the alien Swarm movie, he kept shrinking his size down upto the level of the ant queen to defeat her. So if Ben as Nanomech can't escape the webbing, he can shrink his size upto the length of an atom.

 

[Lort15]

I'm like 5 seconds away from downgrading his ass into the dirt bro you goons should actually start finding backup shit, looking at some of these calcs and things I'm seeing some actual problems, do NOT force my hand

Real ones came for the drama not for the match

 

[Chariot190]

or just go Swampfire to allow any web shoot to pass throught him so it wouldn't be able to wrap him, or use Echo Echo, it doesn't matter if he losses in LS, he'll just AoE a sonic scream, or better yet, a hundred of them.

I like how half the arguments are under the assumption Ben is even going to get to transform, Spidey will always be quicker on the draw, precog, senses, etc, and the fact he has good AoE also doesn't help. Ben getting to transform is being generous, Spidey tapping his fingers is a lot quicker than Ben slapping that bad boy anyway even if we were to ignore the whole precog thing.

And then from there half the arguments being blatant ignorance ignoring half that shit literally wouldn't matter.

Phasing? Yeah because Spidey doesn't have NPI?
Sneak attacks? Spidey Sense.
AoE sonic screams? Ya'll ever watch Multiverse of Madness?

I can't believe we're doing this shit again.

As an aside, Spidey's webs are ******* sticky, who gives a shit if lad can shrink if he's stuck to it.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I like how half the arguments are under the assumption Ben is even going to get to transform, Spidey will always be quicker on the draw, precog, senses, etc, and the fact he has good AoE also doesn't help. Ben getting to transform is being generous, Spidey tapping his fingers is a lot quicker than Ben slapping that bad boy anyway even if we were to ignore the whole precog thing.

I don't give a shit if he can go hero thanks to the whole "he wraps him before he uses the Omnitrix", I'm arguing against Parker being able to beat his aliens, which he can't.

Phasing? Yeah because Spidey doesn't have NPI?

Wow weren't you the same doofus who argued "Being able to interact with a type of intangibility doesn't mean you can interact with all of them"? Lmao, and I'm supposed to be the one who is wrong?

Sneak attacks? Spidey Sense.

Who told you anything sneak attacks? I mentioned Nanomech cuz he can get himself free of Spiderman's webs, not because he's doing something.
And please, show me a scan of his SS being able to perceive something as small as an atom.

AoE sonic screams? Ya'll ever watch Multiverse of Madness?

Sure, because that's exactly how Echo Echo works.

I can't believe we're doing this shit again.

We can agree there.

As an aside, Spidey's webs are ******* sticky, who gives a shit if lad can shrink if he's stuck to it.

So its stickyness is also Class Y? Huh, one would think that only their tensile strength would be that strong, oh wait, that's exactly how it works
.

 

[Chariot190]

I don't give a shit if he can go hero thanks to the whole "he wraps him before he uses the Omnitrix", I'm arguing against Parker being able to beat his aliens, which he can't.

Do not waste everyone's time just to argue for the sake of arguing.

Wow weren't you the same doofus who argued "Being able to interact with a type of intangibility doesn't mean you can interact with all of them"? Lmao, and I'm supposed to be the one who is wrong?

Yes. Because the intangibility in question is literally nothing, it's worse compared to what Spidey has.

If anything, the Ben 10 profiles have some of the worst NPI and intangibility on the wiki, they're actively below the default standard due to how they're worded, they don't even HAVE a type, it's just "lmao phasing".

"Phasing", yep, EVERY intangibility has phasing, wtf does that even mean? Why is it acting like that's special? It isn't? If it COULDN'T phase it wouldn't have intangibility to begin with.

Regardless Spidey can web intangibles who can phase, a few even, like literally just look up the casts of all the games, I'm sure you can pick out a few at a glance.

Who told you anything sneak attacks? I mentioned Nanomech cuz he can get himself free of Spiderman's webs, not because he's doing something.

Did you not say "attack way big from within", how could he do that if Spidey can sense and precog that?

And please, show me a scan of his SS being able to perceive something as small as an atom.

Doesn't need to, he just needs to be able to sense the abstract danger it'd cause, which, ya know, he can?
Unless you wanna argue Nanomech resists precog?

Sure, because that's exactly how Echo Echo works.

How can he scream if his mouth is closed shut?

We can agree there.

Given you've literally just conceded to arguing not because he can pull it off, but just because, I truly am wondering why we're doing this, it's a waste of both of our time.

So its stickyness is also Class Y? Huh, one would think that only their tensile strength would be that strong, oh wait, that's exactly how it works

Uh, yeah actually?
Dudes with Class Y get stuck to them and can't get them off? Shit's like one of those sticky fly traps.

Why are you like this? Have you never played a MVC before?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Wow weren't you the same doofus who argued "Being able to interact with a type of intangibility doesn't mean you can interact with all of them"? Lmao, and I'm supposed to be the one who is wrong?

The issue here is that Spider-Man can interact with incorporeal/psionic beings that are made up of emotions as stated in a previous comment. Big Chill's Intangibility is just him turning his physical body Intangible which is irrelevant since Spider-Man can interact with an aspect that's not physical to begin with and is something Big Chill would still have (emotions), so the NPI would still cover it unless you could argue Big Chill's Intangibility makes those aspects of his being Intangible (beyond the normal) as well.

 

[GeneralSol16]

The issue here is that Spider-Man can interact with incorporeal/psionic beings that are made up of emotions as stated in a previous comment. Big Chill's Intangibility is just him turning his physical body Intangible which is irrelevant since Spider-Man can interact with an aspect that's not physical to begin with and is something Big Chill would still have (emotions), so the NPI would still cover it unless you could argue Big Chill's Intangibility makes those aspects of his being Intangible (beyond the normal) as well.

All right then, that makes more sense.
That's why I didn't argue BC completely.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Omnitrix
troll ben 10 and give him Grey matter for absolutely no reason

 

[Lort15]

nothing here to discuss for Ben i guess well... Spidey FRA!

 

[GeneralSol16]

Yeah, this Peter has an actually good LS, ways to counter this Ben's aliens, and a good amount of abilities thanks to the gems.

Peter FRA.

 

[DemonicDude]

Now prove he turns into swampfire and not the 20 other options including his most used alien.
also his webs probably resist stupid high heat anyway given some of his foes like Jedah.

He saw webs and burned them with Swampfire in the middle of a combat.
1:16

 

[Chariot190]

it doesn't matter if bens LS here is 'good'

its still Class P vs Class Y...

bro i think you need to reread that a lil

but i think failsafe can stop him from losing

Failsafe ain't doing shit unless Spidey wants his ass dead.
Spidey isn't Punisher.

 

[Chariot190]

He saw webs and burned them with Swampfire in the middle of a combat.
1:16

By the time Ben sees Spidey's webs, it's gonna be to late.
Spidey doesn't actually have to think in this fight. Between Spideysense, precog and instinctive action, he's doing his shit instantly where Ben has to like, actually see his foe, decide what he should do in response to dude, and then opt to do it, which of course includes thinking about and picking which alien he wants. Now this might not take long, maybe 1 or 2 seconds, but that's long enough when this Spidey is like a chimp on crack who's on TAS.

Also why did he run and throw a fireball.... That takes so much extra time he'd never have.
And I don't even think it'd work, spidey can restrain Dormammu who's def on that nuclear cosmic heat shit.

 

[Chariot190]

wouldn't the difference in LS kill ben

Not unless Spidey like, decided to make use of his LS and rip his head off or some shit.
Otherwise Ben isn't any different from random NY thug number 879 who gets webbed.

 

[DemonicDude]

Whole it's true that Peter will turn him into a cocoon.
I heard Goop got upgraded to Class Y Lifting Strength today and Ben "physically" was able to overpower goop and transform?
So Class Y base Ben.

 

[Lonkitt]

Whole it's true that Peter will turn him into a cocoon.
I heard Goop got upgraded to Class Y Lifting Strength today and Ben "physically" was able to overpower goop and transform?
So Class Y base Ben.

Class E's on Goop's page and Class P is on Ben's page, actually

 

[DemonicDude]

Class E's on Goop's page and Class P is on Ben's page, actually

hmm.. that's interesting I heard his Lifting Strength upgrade will take place this week anyways.
Spideysense, precognition with instinctive slams Ben really Hard.
Peter Parker FRA.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Spidey FRA. That last thread's ending was BS.

 

[Baken384]

wouldn't the difference in LS kill ben

This is Jotaro’s job but that’s a story for another day.

 

[Lort15]

This is Jotaro’s job but that’s a story for another day.

a jotaro match?! you SHOULD inform me when doin it

 

[Lonkitt]

The battle passed grace, so I added it to both profiles

This can be closed now I believe

 

[Badlisli]

Won't ben use big chill to go invulnerable and phase through the webs?

 

[Badlisli]

Even without master control ben still can change alien mid-fight by clicking his omnitrix. He once turned into rath while his body was covered in rumble from the concrete

 

[DemonicDude]

Won't ben use big chill to go invulnerable and phase through the webs?

That is not going to help Ben. webs have resistance to such.

 

[Lonkitt]

Even without master control ben still can change alien mid-fight by clicking his omnitrix. He once turned into rath while his body was covered in rumble from the concrete

Bro forgot to read the profile and see the reasonings for the votes where we explain Spidey has NPI

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bro forgot to read the profile and see the reasonings for the votes where we explain Spidey has NPI

We might need to double check that based ok current verse standards ngl

 

[Lonkitt]

We might need to double check that based ok current verse standards ngl

Not really...? The NPI is pretty cut and dry

Also this concluded and added ages ago guys, this should be closed

 

[GeneralSol16]

Not really...? The NPI is pretty cut and dry

Yeah, but Ben's aliens had have some abilities upgrades

Also this concluded and added ages ago guys, this should be closed

But I agree.