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Spider-Man vs Ben, The Terrifying Sequel (7-0-0)

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MVC Spider-Man vs Ben Tennyson (Alien Force)
  • SPEED EQUAL 😈
  • STARTING DISTANCE: 10 METERS
  • Location: NULL VOID
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Spider-Man: 7 (Lonkitt, unknown, shady, arkanroblox, lort, general, soul)
Ben Tennyson:
Inconclusive:
 
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I won't bring up the High 5-A scaling chain since it isn't really relevant here

What is relevant though is the crazy Class Y LS advantage. Even Spider-Man's basic web balls can fully cocoon opponents, Ben's gonna be in a lot of trouble (these also cocoon big guys like Nemesis, M.O.D.O.K., Sentinel, Hulk, etc.). Plus, that isn't even his only move that completely restrains opponents. Paired with his Spider-Sense that can foresee attacks and danger well before it occurs, his crazy ass mobility, and MUCH better skill as a fighter, I'm voting MvC Spidey via web incap
 
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Ignoring how shoving a proposal into a CRT on page 2 and applying it the same day is against the rules as you need to wait 48 hours after making a proposal so people actually have time to argue shit, so the last match shouldn't have even been closed, actual ban worthy shit there.

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Web ball.
 
Ignoring how shoving a proposal into a CRT on page 2 and applying it the same day is against the rules as you need to wait 48 hours after making a proposal so people actually have time to argue shit, so the last match shouldn't have even been closed, actual ban worthy shit there.

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Web ball.
REALITY STONE 🗣️
 
As an fyi, it doesn't even ******* matter if Ben transforms, Class Y > like every goon he has bar like 3. 80% of the aliens just get hit with the frame trap.
It's also worth noting that Spider-Man can also like, just become significantly faster than Ben via X-Factor which helps a ton here
 
Can't ben use swampfire to burn the webs away?
Now prove he turns into swampfire and not the 20 other options including his most used alien.
also his webs probably resist stupid high heat anyway given some of his foes like Jedah.
 
Can't ben use swampfire to burn the webs away?
Bro's webs can still cocoon Dormammu and Ghost Rider who's heads are always on fire, I don't think fire's gonna be much of an issue. Not to mention, his full body web incap is effective against characters in the midst of using attacks that cover their bodies in flames
 
Bro's webs can still cocoon Dormammu and Ghost Rider whose heads are always on fire, I don't think fire's gonna be much of an issue. Not to mention, his full body web incap is effective against characters in the midst of using attacks that cover their bodies in flames
Doesn't the fire share the ap too?
 
Doesn't the fire share the ap too?
If that was the case, every time he turns swampfire he'd vaporize the planet's atmosphere.
It's probably hot af, and has around the same TEMP more or less, I'd assume but given spidey's webs can cake dudes who have fire that can easily be scaled to similarly stupid heat like Dormammu's black holes, various nuclear beams and supernova shit, shrug.

That's best case scenario though, like Ben still has to transform and idk if lil bro is getting it off on the meta spidey who's playing this shit like it's tekken 7 crossed with melee on top of funny precog.
 
Ben is able to transform here?
Yeah but here’s the thing

A. Spider-Man’s insanely better mobility and Spider-Sense are gonna mean Ben gets web incapped in the quick draw before he can go hero more likely not. Plus, X-Factor’s just gonna make Spidey faster than Ben

B. Transformations won’t stop the web incap since Spidey’s LS and webbing is Class Y, so he can’t escape that

C. Like I mentioned, even if Ben does transform, X-Factor is just gonna make Spidey faster than Ben
 
Yeah but here’s the thing

A. Spider-Man’s insanely better mobility and Spider-Sense are gonna mean Ben gets web incapped in the quick draw before he can go hero more likely not. Plus, X-Factor’s just gonna make Spidey faster than Ben

B. Transformations won’t stop the web incap since Spidey’s LS and webbing is Class Y, so he can’t escape that

C. Like I mentioned, even if Ben does transform, X-Factor is just gonna make Spidey faster than Ben
Don't mention faster shit, just don't. I'm not arguing that stupid shit again.

A and B and the secret 4th D are fine tho.
 
Don't mention faster shit, just don't. I'm not arguing that stupid shit again.

A and B and the secret 4th D are fine tho.
I’m just saying 😳

Even so, yeah, precog is more than enough for Peter here
 
Yeah but here’s the thing

A. Spider-Man’s insanely better mobility and Spider-Sense are gonna mean Ben gets web incapped in the quick draw before he can go hero more likely not. Plus, X-Factor’s just gonna make Spidey faster than Ben
Okay i'm assuming we are using season 3 Ben not 2? Who have more aliens than 10 so we have big chill who has intanigibility based on phasing i see peter has NPI but to emphatic not to phasing swampfire also can release hımself from the web via intangibility
B. Transformations won’t stop the web incap since Spidey’s LS and webbing is Class Y, so he can’t escape that
As i mentioned above we have aliens that could ignore it if ben transforms into another alien he can just transform into another one by thinking as we have showed the scans in the old match
C. Like I mentioned, even if Ben does transform, X-Factor is just gonna make Spidey faster than Ben
Chariot just told u to not mention about speed AMP so i guess this doesn't matter anymore?
 
Okay i'm assuming we are using season 3 Ben not 2? Who have more aliens than 10 so we have big chill who has intanigibility based on phasing i see peter has NPI but to emphatic not to phasing swampfire also can release hımself from the web via intangibility

Onslaught was a psionic being. Outright incorporeal. He was made via the dark emotions of Professor X, but that doesn't change the fact that he was incorporeal. Spider-Man was able to kill Onslaught, and his webs are able to make contact with him too. I see no reason why Spidey shouldn't be able to cocoon Big Chill

As i mentioned above we have aliens that could ignore it if ben transforms into another alien he can just transform into another one by thinking as we have showed the scans in the old match

That's not gonna matter. Bro gets cocooned and can't move. Also, I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely convinced of the "he can transform just by thinking" thing. That was also a Master Control thing. Non-Master Control Ben consistently is depicted as having to transform via touching the watch or Omnitrix emblem

Chariot just told u to not mention about speed AMP so i guess this doesn't matter anymore?

Idk what he's referring to exactly about the speed amp, but you should ask him why instead of just assuming it doesn't matter
 
Okay i'm assuming we are using season 3 Ben not 2? Who have more aliens than 10 so we have big chill who has intanigibility based on phasing i see peter has NPI but to emphatic not to phasing swampfire also can release hımself from the web via intangibility
I legitimately don't know wtf you're saying but Spidey's webs have a bunch of NPI.
And like, all intangibles have phasing, idk why you're even specifying that.

As i mentioned above we have aliens that could ignore it if ben transforms into another alien he can just transform into another one by thinking as we have showed the scans in the old match
You're ignoring the whole "has to actually transform first" part, 9f you thought it was hard before, it's 10x harder now, only then does that apply, and even then none have Class Y LS to get out.
Idk what he's referring to exactly about the speed amp, but you should ask him why instead of just assuming it doesn't matter
Just match rules about speed amps against the "normally quicker" character can't be added. The fact Spidey doesn't need them is just a bonus.
 
Onslaught was a psionic being. Outright incorporeal. He was made via the dark emotions of Professor X, but that doesn't change the fact that he was incorporeal. Spider-Man was able to kill Onslaught, and his webs are able to make contact with him too. I see no reason why Spidey shouldn't be able to cocoon Big Chill
But... It's written as emphatic NPI in the profile not as phasing They are literally not same types
That's not gonna matter. Bro gets cocooned and can't move. Also, I'm sorry, but I'm not entirely convinced of the "he can transform just by thinking" thing. That was also a Master Control thing. Non-Master Control Ben consistently is depicted as having to transform via touching the watch or Omnitrix emblem
I'm talking about Alien to Alien it was without master control we have shown that ben is able to transform into another alien while being alien without touching to watch just by thinking
Idk what he's referring to exactly about the speed amp, but you should ask him why instead of just assuming it doesn't matter
If it's not a blitzing boost it must be fine then idk if what other thinks
 
I legitimately don't know wtf you're saying but Spidey's webs have a bunch of NPI.
And like, all intangibles have phasing, idk why you're even specifying that.
Because it's not in the profile how am i suppost to know if he has npi to phasing if it's not in the profile like just add it
You're ignoring the whole "has to actually transform first" part, 9f you thought it was hard before, it's 10x harder now, only then does that apply, and even then none have Class Y LS to get out.
Wait isn't he able to transform in the first place? I see ben you guys are making arguments on ben's transformations
Just match rules about speed amps against the "normally quicker" character can't be added. The fact Spidey doesn't need them is just a bonus.
Hmm yeah i was thinking about that
 
But... It's written as emphatic NPI in the profile not as phasing They are literally not same types
Cool. But he was only CONCEIVED from someone's emotions, he's not made FROM emotions. He's a psionic being, we literally had a revision approved that put Incorporeality on Onslaught's page. Spidey's making contact with Ben, no debates

The "Empathic" on Spidey's page is clearly giving you a bad idea of the fact that he can touch and kill non-physical beings
 
But... It's written as emphatic NPI in the profile not as phasing They are literally not same types
Lad, we don't even HAVE types of NPI.

We should, but we don't.

I'm not even sure why Ben 10 lists "phasing" as a type, it isn't ALL intangibles can phase, you don't need to specify that.
 
Because it's not in the profile how am i suppost to know if he has npi to phasing if it's not in the profile like just add it

"Not on the profile"

Dawg, the profile talks about how he could make physical contact with and kill a PSIONIC BEING. You can't say that shit isn't on there
 
Because it's not in the profile how am i suppost to know if he has npi to phasing if it's not in the profile like just add it
As above, it isn't on the profile because it isn't a thing.
All NPI can deal with phasing, honestly? The fact you lads specify it's ONLY phasing NPI, actually makes Ben 10's NPI worse.

Wait isn't he able to transform in the first place? I see ben you guys are making arguments on ben's transformations
Yeah as a hypothetical, like on the off chance he does.
His ass ain't getting it off 90% the time though, for that 10% though? May as well discuss it a lil.
 
If ben can't transform with %90 rating like as in the old match i don't see the meaning of arguing much about it it's just like the old one but worse 🥸
 
Now prove he turns into swampfire and not the 20 other options including his most used alien.
It doesn't matter if he chooses a wrong option, he can just manually swap to Big Chill, Chromastome or Nanomech, all of them being able to just phase, absorb or evade his webs.
 
It doesn't matter if he chooses a wrong option, he can just manually swap to Big Chill, Chromastome or Nanomech, all of them being able to just phase, absorb or evade his webs.
I don't think there's gonna be any reasonable gaps for Nanomech to get out of if he has to escape a web cocoon. Even if there was, Spider-Man's Spider-Sense range was able to detect the absence of life on a city wide range (which Ghost Rider confirmed with his own ability to detect souls and life) and track Frank West following him for an hour as well as detect him behind an extremely thick meter wall from several meters away, so he could just web up Nanomech in that state too
 
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