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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

New Tite Kubo Q&A;

Isshin vs White

Q: When Isshin fought White in the real world, was he in a state where his power was restricted by the limiting spirit seal?

K: Yes, that's right.

Damn. This is confusing.
 
Btw guys, should Lille have unconventional resist to CM manip? Since it was stated while he is in intangible mode, no weapons can harm him which includes Ichibe's brush
 
Btw guys, should Lille have unconventional resist to CM manip? Since it was stated while he is in intangible mode, no weapons can harm him which includes Ichibe's brush
No. Ichibei's brush is different than rest of the zankpakuto in every aspect.
 
But it's still classified as a weapon correct?
Even if it is, ichibei's zankpakuto doesn’t have reatsu, so it doesn’t follows reatsu rule. And it being negated by Transcendent reatsu isn’t due to higher ap negating hax, it's likely the characteristics of transcendence reatsu to interfere with concept (for example aizen destroyed a conceptual being and I will make a thread about it, let the ongoing on accepted first)

Ichibei can also take away that intangibility
 
Even if it is, ichibei's zankpakuto doesn’t have reatsu, so it doesn’t follows reatsu rule. And it being negated by Transcendent reatsu isn’t due to higher ap negating hax, it's likely the characteristics of transcendence reatsu to interfere with concept (for example aizen destroyed a conceptual being and I will make a thread about it, let the ongoing on accepted first)

Ichibei can also take away that intangibility
I don't really think reiatsu relates since Lille mentions any weapon. I think his intangibillity is just that broken
 
Assuming you mean Madara, he only has Low-Godly on Edo Tensei. While some of the scans seem to have disappeared, assuming they are legitimate, there are clear statements as to why. In addition, Edo Tensei's have also shown to survive the complete destruction of their body, which is at least Mid-High, with the scan in question making it pretty clear it's either High or Low-Godly.
If you have scans similar to this or statements that Squad Zero can regenerate from similar circumstances, then just post them (For the record, I personally believe Squad Zero has higher then Mid regeneration, but I have no scans to prove that and there's also the no-limit fallacy, which means I can't just assume that they can regenerate from anything without scans to back it up.)

If you're talking about Revived Madara, he only has Low-Mid. If you're talking about Juubidara, he A: Has Low-Mid regen and B: Doesn't have Immortality Type 8, only 1 and 3.

If Madhara is someone else, then I can't find him

Well there's multiple points.

This isn’t complete erasure of physical body in the scans. So yeah, they got low godly without any feat.

Ichibei can be revived as long as someone calls his name or may be his name exists. Which would mean he can be restored even after soul+mind erasure. Since it won't still erase his name.
 
I don't really think reiatsu relates since Lille mentions any weapon. I think his intangibillity is just that broken
Not really. Lillie's claim doesn’t hold any meaning. We saw him literally getting dealt with weapons. By rather far inferior weapons.
 
Not really. Lillie's claim doesn’t hold any meaning. We saw him literally getting dealt with weapons. By rather far inferior weapons.
Well if you are talking about nanao, pretty sure it's because almost nobody knew about her weapon except Shunsui
 
Are we giving Ichibei another key with Pernida’s arm? Ichibei replaced his own arm with it and used its power to show the past to Yhwach, and sealed away the Almighty. The barrier thing to stop the bullets could had been Pernida’s nerves but shown like that to not spoiled the Mayuri fight. I guess we will never know unless the blu ray has more info on that.
 
Are we giving Ichibei another key with Pernida’s arm? Ichibei replaced his own arm with it and used its power to show the past to Yhwach, and sealed away the Almighty. The barrier thing to stop the bullets could had been Pernida’s nerves but shown like that to not spoiled the Mayuri fight. I guess we will never know unless the blu ray has more info on that.
Hmmmmm, good point, definitely can incorporate that into his profile somehow, it's a nice sealing/power null. An entire other key for one ability does seem a bit much though, I wonder if there's a way we can include it on the profile maybe with just a tabber on his P&A section, like a "With Pernida" and it's all other abilities + the Pernida sealing?
 
Hmmmmm, good point, definitely can incorporate that into his profile somehow, it's a nice sealing/power null. An entire other key for one ability does seem a bit much though, I wonder if there's a way we can include it on the profile maybe with just a tabber on his P&A section, like a "With Pernida" and it's all other abilities + the Pernida sealing?
That works.
 
Yhwach (consciously) sleeping been able to fight and know when to wake up to fight his opponents. In that anime original scene Yhwach is sleeping but smiles like he knows what is happening. We also have that incoming waking up before Ichigo arrives with that KS dream in cour 4.

Is any of this a counter-argument for people claiming Yhwach’s ain’t omnipotent because he needs to sleep? Like his power is shown to work even when he sleeps?
 
@Adam1396 In case if you wanna participate

 
Well there's multiple points.

This isn’t complete erasure of physical body in the scans. So yeah, they got low godly without any feat.

Ichibei can be revived as long as someone calls his name or may be his name exists. Which would mean he can be restored even after soul+mind erasure. Since it won't still erase his name.
The first point is incorrect. The physical body was completely erased, as you can see in the sixth panel. You could maybe argue it's High rather then Low-Godly, but that's not that big of a difference. It's also not Mid-Godly.

The second point is assuming too much without proof. By that, I mean that I highly doubt it would get through VSBattles. Either get more scans that support this, or try it yourself and see if it works.

Finally, is this the only example you had for people with Immortality 8 and Mid-Godly, which might I add wasn't even accurate? Because you said there were a lot, and the only example you provided makes it harder to possibly get Squad Zero to Mid-Godly.

Note: If you cannot provide more examples of Imm8 giving Mid-Godly to people with Low-Mid to Mid scans, or actual scans that can give at least somewhat plausible evidence for Squad Zero Mid-Godly, then I'm not going to debate further. In that scenario, once my CRT concludes, make your own Mid-Godly one.
 
The first point is incorrect. The physical body was completely erased, as you can see in the sixth panel. You could maybe argue it's High rather then Low-Godly, but that's not that big of a difference. It's also not Mid-Godly.

The second point is assuming too much without proof. By that, I mean that I highly doubt it would get through VSBattles. Either get more scans that support this, or try it yourself and see if it works.

Finally, is this the only example you had for people with Immortality 8 and Mid-Godly, which might I add wasn't even accurate? Because you said there were a lot, and the only example you provided makes it harder to possibly get Squad Zero to Mid-Godly.

Note: If you cannot provide more examples of Imm8 giving Mid-Godly to people with Low-Mid to Mid scans, or actual scans that can give at least somewhat plausible evidence for Squad Zero Mid-Godly, then I'm not going to debate further. In that scenario, once my CRT concludes, make your own Mid-Godly one.
There's quite a few lose points on your arguments. I am not bothered enough to make a CRT let alone being concerned about what's going on with your thread.

Just letting you know if immortality comes from reliance which isn’t subjected to the characters's erasure, it will get bare minimum low godly to above based on the context, mechanism regardless of their feat.
 
@Adam1396 In case if you wanna participate

Guys need some input here, the OPM supporters mention Bleach's fear hax is only social influencing so being stronger is enough to resist it
 
The reason why no one debates those is that it's the same two characters VS any Bleach god-tier (except for Yhwach because he omega stomps). It's the same shit too, it's "RE gg" vs "Soul Crush gg." It just becomes a pissing contest of Saitama becoming bullshit levels of fast and strong vs hax.
 
The reason why no one debates those is that it's the same two characters VS any Bleach god-tier (except for Yhwach because he omega stomps). It's the same shit too, it's "RE gg" vs "Soul Crush gg." It just becomes a pissing contest of Saitama becoming bullshit levels of fast and strong vs hax.
Dw tho, Pernida have a vote advantage currently

 
Dw tho, Pernida have a vote advantage currently

To be fair, the reason he does is that he essentially can do the same shit he can. Same with Aizen, except he stomped because of KS and Mid-Godly.
 
Why wasn't this match added to the profiles? Was it forgotten or was it considered invalid for another reason?

 
Why wasn't this match added to the profiles? Was it forgotten or was it considered invalid for another reason?

It was added, then removed since Yhwach is no longer 5-C
 
It was accepted to be a stomp by the OP, so it was shut down and not added to the profiles.
Btw, do you think Lille should have unconventional resists to conceptual manip? Since he mentions once he turns intangible, no weapon can harm him which includes Ichibe's brush
 
Btw, do you think Lille should have unconventional resists to conceptual manip? Since he mentions once he turns intangible, no weapon can harm him which includes Ichibe's brush
We don't fully understand the context of that statement. It could be assumed like that, but I personally wouldn't because I believe it's contextualized around people who are currently alive, who could possibly strike against Lille. It doesn't make much sense to me that Lille would be discussing characters he believes are dead / doesn't know the current status of their existence or complete capabilities.

Especially since we know his statement doesn't include Shinken Hakkyōken or Shunsui's Bankai, as both sliced through him without issue.
 
We don't fully understand the context of that statement. It could be assumed like that, but I personally wouldn't because I believe it's contextualized around people who are currently alive, who could possibly strike against Lille. It doesn't make much sense to me that Lille would be discussing characters he believes are dead / doesn't know the current status of their existence.

Especially since we know his statement didn't include Shinken Hakkyōken or Shunsui's Bankai, as both sliced through him without issue. So we know it doesn't encompass every weapon in the series.
I mean Nanao's weapon is very unknown that only certain people like Shunsui knows about it. Also, I don't think Bankais can be classified as a weapon
 
I mean Nanao's weapon is very unknown that only certain people like Shunsui knows about it. Also, I don't think Bankais can be classified as a weapon
That proves my point. If he doesn't know about the capabilities or even existence of that sword, his statement isn't all encompassing. It would be up to you to prove that Lille would know the capabilities of Ichimonji, and is specifically discussing the techniques or qualities it possesses that act as Conceptual Manipulation. Not just strikes from the blade in a physical sense.
 
That proves my point. If he doesn't know about the capabilities or even existence of that sword, his statement isn't all encompassing. It would be up to you to prove that Lille would know the capabilities of Ichimonji, and is specifically discussing the techniques it possesses that act as Conceptual Manipulation. Not just strikes from the blade in a physical sense.
Does Yhwach have no chance to spill Ichimonji's capabilities to Lille? Considering Ichibe being a special threat afterall
 
The quincies seems to know the general capabilities of their opponents like Yamamoto. At worst, we could give a "Possibly" rating
 
The quincies seems to know the general capabilities of their opponents like Yamamoto. At worst, we could give a "Possibly" rating
You can try. I definitely disagree, but my opinion alone isn't enough to say if something will be accepted or not.

If you can provide a sound and convincing argument, and the mods agree with it. It will be accepted, even if I have issues with it.
 
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