Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[MinatoSparkle]

I want to know if it's reliable or not

Well idk japanese so I can't say any more than that

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

So in Data book 3, Naruto's Odama Rasengan States that the Force Generated is Proportional to the Chakra Consumed.

Interesting nugget there.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

How would you guys feel Himawari becomes a Medic Ninja and Sakura's student?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

She low-key already a better healer

 

[Iabihs]

oh my god, im back, i finally got my password here.
every single password on my computer and every profile i ever had for like 20 different applications and websites got hacked , so sorry if i missed a text message or two

 

[Iabihs]

oh my god, im back, i finally got my password here.
every single password on my computer and every profile i ever had for like 20 different applications and websites got hacked , so sorry if i missed a text message or two

Anyway whats good borugang

 

[MinatoSparkle]

 

[Iabihs]

Kaguya ETSO discussions and Jigen code , because we havent been talking about that for the last 5 years no

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Sarada discussions were new

 

[Iabihs]

Sarada discussions were new

ig, imma see yall tommorow

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

So, am I the only one who See's the story is going in a direction for TBV Borushiki to be a Jura Rival.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I could see it

 

[Nierre]

But since that's not the case, the former is more likely. That being said, the fact Naruto still has Speed Feats on par with Kawaki and Borushiki here reinforces my opinion of them being > Code

Going back to this

You have Base/SM Naruto > Karma Bros (Karma Essense Bort, WK Code, Karma Progression Kawaki) + Momoshiki

Do you have Momoshiki in Boruto's body weaker than Fused Momoshiki? Or are they equal/relative?

(Just reminding you of these feats: Fused Momo fought Base Naruto but was getting overpowered by SPSM Naruto / Whereas Momoshiki is comparable to KP Kawaki who SM Naruto was able to intercept his cube attack)



Also how do you look at all the statements that say Sasuke is equal to Naruto. Sasuke = Base Naruto? Sasuke = SPSM Naruto? Or does it not matter to you since the difference isn't that big.

 

[garp2]

I have a question, Why did Kaguya created White Zetsu, and how did the site answer this question? Did Kaguya created White Zetsu to fight alongside her or there is another reason

 

[Kaydee1648]

I have a question, Why did Kaguya created White Zetsu, and how did the site answer this question? Did Kaguya created White Zetsu to fight alongside her or there is another reason

an army against momoshiki

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

an army against momoshiki

An army of fodder that he can wipeout by him in an instant

 

[Kaydee1648]

An army of fodder that he can wipeout by him in an instant

makes me wonder how that gorilla vs 100 human will play out

 

[Damage3245]

An army of fodder that he can wipeout by him in an instant

It helps that they can shapeshift though and be nearly undetectable from the originals. Imagine them all copying Kaguya's appearance and Momoshiki has no idea which one is the real one when they surround him.

 

[Samlex1234]

It helps that they can shapeshift though and be nearly undetectable from the originals. Imagine them all copying Kaguya's appearance and Momoshiki has no idea which one is the real one when they surround him.

They might also be enhanced with other things too, heck look at what karma did to the 10 tails.

 

[garp2]

white zetsu aren't hashirama level and even even if they can shapeshift they won't be as strong as kaguya or use her abilities also the opponent has Byakogan which can see throughout their Chakra system and the opponent aren't hundreds so they can't hide between them and also kmc1 Naruto, Sasuke,Sakura and other jonin were capable of defeating them and about kaguya using karma to power boost them almost is impossible because First: we don't if she is capable of doing that Second: ishiki was able to give karma to Kara members because of Amado
Also why the site doesn't accept kaguya using white zetsu to create ETSO? It makes sense if she can use the white zetsu to create etso because the origin of the white zetsu is human who were in infinite tsukiyomi and also there wasn't a chakra user except kaguya and white zetsu

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Going back to this

You have Base/SM Naruto > Karma Bros (Karma Essense Bort, WK Code, Karma Progression Kawaki) + Momoshiki

Do you have Momoshiki in Boruto's body weaker than Fused Momoshiki? Or are they equal/relative?

(Just reminding you of these feats: Fused Momo fought Base Naruto but was getting overpowered by SPSM Naruto / Whereas Momoshiki is comparable to KP Kawaki who SM Naruto was able to intercept his cube attack)



Also how do you look at all the statements that say Sasuke is equal to Naruto. Sasuke = Base Naruto? Sasuke = SPSM Naruto? Or does it not matter to you since the difference isn't that big.

I haven't forgotten about this btw

 

[sageof8paths]

An army of fodder that he can wipeout by him in an instant

the white zetsu we’re going to come from the current day shinobi, and be basically amped, they could also serve as a chakra source for kaguya. it’s not as useless as you think

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

the white zetsu we’re going to come from the current day shinobi, and be basically amped, they could also serve as a chakra source for kaguya. it’s not as useless as you think

ye

 

[garp2]

the white zetsu we’re going to come from the current day shinobi, and be basically amped, they could also serve as a chakra source for kaguya. it’s not as useless as you think

Kaguya was afraid of Momo and Kinshiki so they are at least close to her while White Zetsu is at best at Hokage level (in Naruto) the gap between them is too big, and their chances of winning have decreased so their only chance is to serve their chakra to Kaguya.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Going back to this

You have Base/SM Naruto > Karma Bros (Karma Essense Bort, WK Code, Karma Progression Kawaki) + Momoshiki

Do you have Momoshiki in Boruto's body weaker than Fused Momoshiki? Or are they equal/relative?

(Just reminding you of these feats: Fused Momo fought Base Naruto but was getting overpowered by SPSM Naruto / Whereas Momoshiki is comparable to KP Kawaki who SM Naruto was able to intercept his cube attack)

I have Borushiki for the most part relative to Fused Momoshiki for his feats against Rinnegone Sasuke. The only reason imo Naruto was getting "overwhelmed" was due to the speed advantage. SPSM Simply closed that gap due to the sensory perks and passive Physical Amp from utilizing the Chakra Cloak. Base Naruto can of course react to physically faster foes, but Reaction Speed only gets you so far (Scan 1 | Scan 2).

Also how do you look at all the statements that say Sasuke is equal to Naruto. Sasuke = Base Naruto? Sasuke = SPSM Naruto? Or does it not matter to you since the difference isn't that big.

Based on VoTE 2 and Naruto's feats against Fused Momo, as well as Kishimoto's own statements, I believe in the statements. In terms of "Strength and AP", It doesn't matter what forms are discussed (Sans Ashura Avatar) because the difference is fractional (Again, base Naruto can match strength with Fused Momo whom is relative to SPSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke, and base Naruto's Ninjutsu is not only strong enough to overpower and kill Fused Momo, but force SPSM Naruto to actively dodge his Ninjutsu, even when it was fired off with non-killing intent). In regards to speed SPSM Naruto and MS Sasuke are relative > Base Naruto is able to react to them but not match overall speed.

And from there you can just plop in X Character. Kv2 Kawaki ~ Borushiki ~ Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Kurama-less Naruto (SM Sensory and Passive Physical Amp Allows Naruto to keep up in more than just Reaction Speed).

Also, I do want to point out how I see the Fused Momo dynamic: Naruto's Ninjutsu Strength > Momoshiki's Ninjutsu Strength > Naruto's Physicals ~ Fused Momo's Physicals.

 

[Nierre]

The only reason imo Naruto was getting "overwhelmed" was due to the speed advantage. SPSM Simply closed that gap due to the sensory perks and passive Physical Amp from utilizing the Chakra Cloak. Base Naruto can of course react to physically faster foes, but Reaction Speed only gets you so far (Scan 1 | Scan 2).

Agreed

I believe in the statements. In terms of "Strength and AP", It doesn't matter what forms are discussed (Sans Ashura Avatar) because the difference is fractional

Agreed.

Fused Momo whom is relative to SPSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke

Is he? Fused Momoshiki was getting juggled by both of them - I'd say he's relative to Base Naruto since they did clash, which would in turn make him lower end relative to SPSM Naruto but still inferior.

Also IIRC Sasuke doesn't use EMS against Momoshiki (in the manga).

and base Naruto's Ninjutsu is not only strong enough to overpower and kill Fused Momo, but force SPSM Naruto to actively dodge his Ninjutsu, even when it was fired off with non-killing intent).

Ye I agree. Naruto's Ninjutsu is crazy strong.

Kv2 Kawaki ~ Borushiki ~ Rinnegone Sasuke ~ Kurama-less Naruto

I have Borushiki for the most part relative to Fused Momoshiki for his feats against Rinnegone Sasuke

Hmm, so you believe Sasuke didn't lose, AP wise, with his Rinnegan gone right?

Naruto ~ Fused Momoshiki < SPSM Naruto

Where would Sasuke and Kinshiki be here for you?

 

[Gokukid2005]

I have Fused Momo>SPSM Naruto/Sasuke at the very least with ninjutsu since that's his whole thing.

The fights differ from whatever source you view whether anime, manga, novel or movie.
But what's consistent about all of them is Momo can consistently take hits from both of them and when he's fighting them 1 on 1 he has the upper hand but loses ground quickly when Naruto and Sasuke work together as they're just way too much.
In all these differing media though, except the novel iirc, Momoshiki always gets one of them alone and overpowers them instantly with Ninjutsu before they're saved by the other.
In the manga and anime, Sasuke is overwhelmed by Momo's wood dragons. And in the movie he's burnt really badly by Momoshiki's fire jutsu that burns so brightly it illuminates the battlefield like a sun.
In the manga, anime and movie, Naruto in Kurama mode is overwhelmed by Momo's rock golem and needs the help of Sasuke's Majestic Attire: Susanoo to gain the upper hand once again.
I also don't really see a huge distinction in Base Naruto's jutsu since his transformations are him just using the same chakra and using it as a full body buff.
So until he actively absorbs more natural energy, I think he produces jutsu at the same caliber. But my understanding could just be wrong.

 

[Nierre]

I have Fused Momo>SPSM Naruto/Sasuke at the very least with ninjutsu since that's his whole thing.

In the manga and anime, Sasuke is overwhelmed by Momo's wood dragons. And in the movie he's burnt really badly by Momoshiki's fire jutsu that burns so brightly it illuminates the battlefield like a sun.
In the manga, anime and movie, Naruto in Kurama mode is overwhelmed by Momo's rock golem and needs the help of Sasuke's Majestic Attire: Susanoo to gain the upper hand once again.

agreed

 

[sageof8paths]

I have Fused Momo>SPSM Naruto/Sasuke at the very least with ninjutsu since that's his whole thing.

The fights differ from whatever source you view whether anime, manga, novel or movie.
But what's consistent about all of them is Momo can consistently take hits from both of them and when he's fighting them 1 on 1 he has the upper hand but loses ground quickly when Naruto and Sasuke work together as they're just way too much.
In all these differing media though, except the novel iirc, Momoshiki always gets one of them alone and overpowers them instantly with Ninjutsu before they're saved by the other.
In the manga and anime, Sasuke is overwhelmed by Momo's wood dragons. And in the movie he's burnt really badly by Momoshiki's fire jutsu that burns so brightly it illuminates the battlefield like a sun.
In the manga, anime and movie, Naruto in Kurama mode is overwhelmed by Momo's rock golem and needs the help of Sasuke's Majestic Attire: Susanoo to gain the upper hand once again.
I also don't really see a huge distinction in Base Naruto's jutsu since his transformations are him just using the same chakra and using it as a full body buff.
So until he actively absorbs more natural energy, I think he produces jutsu at the same caliber. But my understanding could just be wrong.

were they not fatigued though? people forget naruto literally did not have any breaks since he fought momoshiki in the chunin exams, was being drained for hours on end before he eventually fought momo. The same dude who soloed the war for days straight literally could not stand after the fight, despite having more than double the amount of chakra he had in the war. him having less chakra also means he had less to work with concerning absorbing nature energy

Sasuke also had to teleport like 7 people + himself then briefly fight base momo and kinshiki again before he eventually fought fused momo. Neither of them are at peak in that fight.

You mentioned naruto and sasuke instantly got overpowered by ninjutsu but you don’t realize the OTHER immense handicap they have that doesn’t apply to momoshiki; they can’t use ninjutsu.

The second they landed one it instantly obliterated him

I think at peak individually they can pull of a win, especially naruto.

 

[Nierre]

You mentioned naruto and sasuke instantly got overpowered by ninjutsu but you don’t realize the OTHER immense handicap they have that doesn’t apply to momoshiki; they can’t use ninjutsu.

The second they landed one it instantly obliterated him

TBF that Jutsu is one of the strongest in Naruto's arsenal, but he can spam that no problem, especially with a full tank of chakra.

I think at peak individually they can pull of a win, especially naruto.

They objectively lose to Momoshiki's Golem individually though. Naruto was losing to the Golem and needed Sasuke's assistance to fight back. Without the Kaiju I do agree Naruto probably wins, but that's just unnecessarily nerfing Momoshiki.

Sasuke I actually doubt he beats Momoshiki in a 1v1. In the manga when they brought Boruto into the fight, Momoshiki was able to easily telegraph Sasuke's Rinnegan ability and kick him into a tree and said it wouldn't work on him again.

I also don't think Sasuke has anything in his bag that can kill Momoshiki like Naruto, he just doesn't have that bag. Even if you wanted to argue CT, I could argue Momoshiki can just absorb the orb, or he uses the earth around the core to form his Golem

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Does Sasuke have Low/Mid-Low Regeneration or is his endurance just high (With Respect to NV)?

 

[sageof8paths]

TBF that Jutsu is one of the strongest in Naruto's arsenal, but he can spam that no problem, especially with a full tank of chakra.

no it’s not. a giant rasengan is ass compared to a giant rasenshiruken or a giant tailed beast bomb or a giant tailed beast bomb rasenshiruken, etc. giant rasengans are not where near the peak of his arsenal. like naruto is objectively not using his strongest abilities

They objectively lose to Momoshiki's Golem individually though. Naruto was losing to the Golem and needed Sasuke's assistance to fight back. Without the Kaiju I do agree Naruto probably wins, but that's just unnecessarily nerfing Momoshiki.

did u forget the part where i said there weren’t at their strongest? we literally know naruto can use clones and fuse them if he wanted to to get a buff. We simply did not see him at his individual peak

Sasuke I actually doubt he beats Momoshiki in a 1v1. In the manga when they brought Boruto into the fight, Momoshiki was able to easily telegraph Sasuke's Rinnegan ability and kick him into a tree and said it wouldn't work on him again.

I also don't think Sasuke has anything in his bag that can kill Momoshiki like Naruto, he just doesn't have that bag. Even if you wanted to argue CT, I could argue Momoshiki can just absorb the orb, or he uses the earth around the core to form his Golem

if sasuke lands a Kirin, momoshiki is turning to dust. Aside from that sasuke can also absorb ninjutsu as well, idk why this wasn’t displayed in the fight.

 

[Gokukid2005]

were they not fatigued though? people forget naruto literally did not have any breaks since he fought momoshiki in the chunin exams, was being drained for hours on end before he eventually fought momo. The same dude who soloed the war for days straight literally could not stand after the fight, despite having more than double the amount of chakra he had in the war. him having less chakra also means he had less to work with concerning absorbing nature energy

Sasuke also had to teleport like 7 people + himself then briefly fight base momo and kinshiki again before he eventually fought fused momo. Neither of them are at peak in that fight.

That's good and all but the thing about Naruto and Sasuke in regards to chakra amount is until they reach a certain threshold, they can keep operating like nothing is wrong.
We see this time and time again throughout Naruto and Boruto.
A good example is the Naruto vs Pain Fight in which Naruto's Sage Mode limit is 2 Rasen Shurikens. In Naruto's second try at Sage Mode, he uses a Rasen Shuriken, 2 Rasengans, Transformation Jutsu, Another Rasenshuriken and he still feels like he has enough in the tank to break out of one of the Pain's full nelson. It isn't until that Pain sucks a bit more chakra out of him does he start to feel weakened and leave Sage Mode.
In the War Arc, Naruto thinks he still has more than enough energy to send out more clones to stop Edo Tensei after fighting Itachi and Nagato. It isn't until he actually tries dividing his chakra again does he realise that he's low on chakra himself, leaves KCM, feels weakened and starts breathing heavily.
And again when Naruto tries to use KCM2 not realising he'd used up all the chakra Kurama lent him.
Sasuke's threshold is when his rinnegan loses tomoe and he can't use his EMS nor Susanoo. Both of which he used in his fight with Fused Momoshiki.
It isn't until after the fight did Naruto and Sasuke express fatigue and Sasuke still has his Rinnegan Tomoe, which is in line with him being less tired than Naruto.

You mentioned naruto and sasuke instantly got overpowered by ninjutsu but you don’t realize the OTHER immense handicap they have that doesn’t apply to momoshiki; they can’t use ninjutsu.

The second they landed one it instantly obliterated him

So?
Even back in Base, Momoshiki's Ninjutsu destroyed their constructs.
His TBB could be obliterated by Naruto's, but by being hit by it Naruto was knocked out because Momoshiki wanted him alive so it's the same anyway.
When it comes to Fused Momo they never once individually handle his Ninjutsu. Whether its his Wood Dogs or his Molten Monkey, they need the other to overcome it.

I think at peak individually they can pull of a win, especially naruto.

I don't agree.
They'll be able to fight longer fs and that'll be a big advantage but I can't see them overwhelming him in any meaningful way without the use of Jutsu, in which case he just insta wins because of his ability to absorb it and immediately return it twice as strong. Remember that Naruto's first move was almost to use Multi Shadow Clones against him. Imagine he absorbed that. Naruto would have to deal with thousands of Momoshiki.
Essentially, Naruto is just a big battery to Momoshiki tbvh.

 

[Gokukid2005]

I want to remind you how good Momoshiki's absorption and release is
He took jutsu gotten from randoms in the village and turned them into devastating attacks.
Earth Style became Meteor Showers.
WInd and Water Style turned into an Absolute Zero Degree Blizzard.
Shikamaru's Shadow Style could completely freeze the Gokage and stop Sasuke and them from using their chakra to break out.
Even though exhausted from fighting he made Konohamaru's Rasengan into something strong enough to clash with the biggest and strongest rasengan Naruto had made till date that was enhanced with Boruto's Lightning chakra nature.
If Sasuke throws Kirin at him, Momoshiki wouldn't be the one turning to dust.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Kirin's not chakra?

 

[Kayzz]

I have Fused Momo>SPSM Naruto/Sasuke at the very least with ninjutsu since that's his whole thing.

The fights differ from whatever source you view whether anime, manga, novel or movie.
But what's consistent about all of them is Momo can consistently take hits from both of them and when he's fighting them 1 on 1 he has the upper hand but loses ground quickly when Naruto and Sasuke work together as they're just way too much.
In all these differing media though, except the novel iirc, Momoshiki always gets one of them alone and overpowers them instantly with Ninjutsu before they're saved by the other.
In the manga and anime, Sasuke is overwhelmed by Momo's wood dragons. And in the movie he's burnt really badly by Momoshiki's fire jutsu that burns so brightly it illuminates the battlefield like a sun.
In the manga, anime and movie, Naruto in Kurama mode is overwhelmed by Momo's rock golem and needs the help of Sasuke's Majestic Attire: Susanoo to gain the upper hand once again.
I also don't really see a huge distinction in Base Naruto's jutsu since his transformations are him just using the same chakra and using it as a full body buff.
So until he actively absorbs more natural energy, I think he produces jutsu at the same caliber. But my understanding could just be wrong.

Yeah, in the manga, as soon as Momo started losing in taijutsu, he switched to ninjutsu and briefly overpowered.

 

[Kayzz]

I want to remind you how good Momoshiki's absorption and release is
He took jutsu gotten from randoms in the village and turned them into devastating attacks.
Earth Style became Meteor Showers.
WInd and Water Style turned into an Absolute Zero Degree Blizzard.
Shikamaru's Shadow Style could completely freeze the Gokage and stop Sasuke and them from using their chakra to break out.
Even though exhausted from fighting he made Konohamaru's Rasengan into something strong enough to clash with the biggest and strongest rasengan Naruto had made till date that was enhanced with Boruto's Lightning chakra nature.
If Sasuke throws Kirin at him, Momoshiki wouldn't be the one turning to dust.

Agree with everything, except kirin is natural lightning. Momoshiki has to dodge or block it.

 

[Gokukid2005]

Kirin's not chakra?

Agree with everything, except kirin is natural lightning. Momoshiki has to dodge or block it.

Momoshiki's stuff is ridiculous in that it can absorb Shadow Jutsu which are literal shadows being manipulated by chakra.
Sasuke's Kirin is him "taming" natural lightning by using, albeit little, chakra,.
I don't think it's a stretch to say he can absorb it.

 

[Nierre]

no it’s not. a giant rasengan is ass compared to a giant rasenshiruken or a giant tailed beast bomb or a giant tailed beast bomb rasenshiruken, etc. giant rasengans are not where near the peak of his arsenal. like naruto is objectively not using his strongest abilities

It's not just a Giant Rasengan
It's a Super Giant Rasengan and he also has a Super Super Giant Rasengan which is far FAR superior to just a regular Giant Rasengan.

did u forget the part where i said there weren’t at their strongest? we literally know naruto can use clones and fuse them if he wanted to to get a buff. We simply did not see him at his individual peak

lol
When he fused his Avatar's together he didnt get "stronger", it just allowed him to absorb NE at a far faster rate than he did before. It's why when he eventually fuses with his clones Sasuke states he has a fuckton of chakra stored within him. It allowed him to use grander and stronger Jutsu, which hardly matter against Momoshiki.

Not only that but there was no place where he could've done that before Momoshiki interfered. Naruto transformed as a response to Sasuke getting overwhelmed by Momoshiki. If it was just a one by one Naruto would be defeated before he could fuse with those clones. Not only that but Momoshiki can just absorb the clones so Naruto wouldn't use it.

if sasuke lands a Kirin, momoshiki is turning to dust. Aside from that sasuke can also absorb ninjutsu as well, idk why this wasn’t displayed in the fight.

Probably. I think his Golem can tank it though.

I know that. Even if they do a no ninjutsu battle,
Momoshiki would still win. Like I said he easily telegraphed Sasuke's Ameno after one use, and can also massively amp himself with his pills and chakra that he took from Naruto.

 

[Nierre]

Remember that Naruto's first move was almost to use Multi Shadow Clones against him. Imagine he absorbed that. Naruto would have to deal with thousands of Momoshiki.

Never even thought about that too. If Boruto never yelled out at Naruto not to use Shadow Clones he would've been cooked.