Luna profile upgrade and new character pages

[AlipheeseXIV]

Hello I'm back with another PGR CRT, I know I've been going pretty hard with pushing these out. This is all thanks to the devs speeding up the global version to catch up with CN so we have a ton of stuff coming in every patch until we're caught up with CN. Anyways, today's CRT will be focused on upgrading Luna's profile as it is incredibly barebones, for those of you who are far enough in the game's lore you're probably aware I decided to do this due to her shared scaling with Selene during the events of chapter 30, which heavily involve the Hetero Tower.

Now due to the Hetero Tower's scaling being tier 1 and a somewhat delicate matter when it comes to scaling characters to it, I had decided to give Luna's Oblivion key some extra scrutinization to make sure I wasn't inadvertently wanking neither her nor Selene. Safe to say I'm satisfied with the results since I'm now making a CRT for it, so here are the 2 profiles Luna's newly revised profile & Selene, finally there is 1 more page but I will save that for later, without further ado though I will get into how the scaling works and also some other things.

1. How does Selene & Luna scale to the Hetero Tower?
   
   This is apart of the reason why I waited some time to release this CRT, and frankly...there was really no reason to scrutinize it as much as I did lol. It is just blatantly stated that the combined power of Selene & Agent 0 activated the Gate. Furthermore, in typical PGR fashion there are little to no anti feats to discredit this which is what I spent majority of time "scrutinizing". Now, you might argue that this shouldn't scale to Selene since it does state that she did it with Agent 0's assistance except...Selene doesn't actually have a key where she isn't fused with Agent 0, so for the most part there is nothing that can be done there. Luna then beats the literal shit out of defeats Selene and fully absorbs her in her entirety and gains access to all her abilities which makes it very simple for why she herself gets her L1C rating in the Oblivion key.
   
   
2. What is Selene's "Information Forcefield"
   
   This is something I came up with due to the uniqueness of PGR 'equilibrium shields' as they're called, using the official in game description for the Nihility Element it is as follows: "Triggers the immediate collapse of matters in the target area based on the interference on essential information of them to deal fundamental damage to the enemy". With the official in game description for Disruption then being as follows: "Triggers the disruption of the target's information field and temporarily reduces the shield of enemies with the Equilibrium Field". Now afaik, there is no description for what Equilibrium Field actually is in game, but going by the nihil element and Disruptions description it is very clearly just a literal shield made up of type 2 information. Hence, why Selene has an information forcefield and also why Luna has enhanced type 2 info manip & dura neg.
   
   
3. There is no official scan stating Selene is the physical embodiment of the Ascension Network
   
   This is because...there really isn't, the game more or less explains this through context clues and assumes you're aware of a good chunk of Punishing Virus lore at that point in the story (which, obviously you should be) it might've been mentioned once or twice but I don't remember. However, it is more or less confirmed through Luna herself. Luna's official profile states the following: "Once an agent of the Ascension-Network, she now seeks to resists, guide, and control the entire Ascension-Network to create an ideal paradise after the Agent Zero incident". This pretty much confirms that Selene would be the actual physical embodiment of the Ascension Network since this profile description takes place after her fight and subsequent absorption of Selene.

That's all for the main things I figured people might mention, if there's anything more feel free to mention it and I'll try my best to elaborate where it's needed. Moving on, the final page I want to add is The Hetero Egg page. This should be pretty simple, not much contentious stuff and way more down to earth than the previous 2 profiles as this is primarily an equipment page, not to mention the page will only be used for 2 future characters. Nonetheless I figured I'd just slide it in just cuz, it is also going to be somewhat relevant in one of the future CRT's I plan to make, so look forward to that, that's all let me know if I made any mistakes as I did do this while being pretty tired.

 

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[Reiner04]

1. What does it mean by that they "activated it"? They will have to affect entire gate to scale to it.
2. Is fine.
3. I think more context is required regarding what Ascension network is and how absorbing selene related to it.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

1. What does it mean by that they "activated it"? They will have to affect entire gate to scale to it.

Well it seems I wasn't quite clear, they do not fully scale to Gate (not even Lee does) which is why I gave them a L1C rating (5D). Unlike Lee, they have no HDE (at least not for their physical bodies) however, despite this they are able to affect the Gate to some degree and that's because the tower is primarily a mechanism made for Ascendants/Agents since it was constructed by the PV ofc.

3. I think more context is required regarding what Ascension network is and how absorbing selene related to it.

Ok...I kinda figured things would come to this eventually but not here in this CRT...so. The Ascension Network (AKA Ascnet) is the network inherent inside the Punishing Virus, think of it as a cloud for Ascendants & Agents to connect and draw their power. The Ascnet has a Will, which is the disembodied thoughts/desires of the information of those it's absorbed. I'll spare you the lore lecture, in short. Ascnet is the Will of the Punishing Virus of our current timeline, this Will then takes the form of Luna's Authority (Selene) and forces Luna to go from an Agent of the Virus to a literal entire different being (A Hetero Creature) because obviously as an Agent of the Punishing Virus...going up against the literal source of your power is of course...not smart since (like Selene does) they will just take back all the power they gave you.

Now I'll be frank, her absorbing Selene does not really impact her tier a lot. It primarily impacts her P&A's, but if you want a clear understanding of what absorbing Selene means. Lee was able to begin his ascent of the Tower due to having a Heteromer Shard, now it is literally mandatory to have a "key" in order to actually activate/effect the Hetero Tower & Gate as a whole. Which is exactly where Selene's quote from her page comes from where she states
"Let's start over, Luna. Become the "key" that unlocks the past."

From this description, it's clear that a key is needed to activate/effect the Hetero Tower and because of the previous key being a heteromer shard (which has a high concentration of Punishing) it's also clear that an Agent could physically work as a "key" as well, which again is where the quote with Selene comes into play. With that in mind, you begin to see how Luna absorbing Selene becomes somewhat relevant, since Selene can function as a "key" she would thus be capable of activating the Tower.

Sorry there are literally no scans...uhh, this is like purely lore and I'm sure you don't want me spamming scans for every little thing so I hope this is enough and was able to give you a more well informed insight. I will say though, a lot of these things (not all but a lot) mentioned do have scans that are apart of the pages, so ig lmk if you do want me to spam scans even for this kinda lore stuff or not.

 

[Reiner04]

Well it seems I wasn't quite clear, they do not fully scale to Gate (not even Lee does) which is why I gave them a L1C rating (5D). Unlike Lee, they have no HDE (at least not for their physical bodies) however, despite this they are able to affect the Gate to some degree and that's because the tower is primarily a mechanism made for Ascendants/Agents since it was constructed by the PV ofc.

Hmmm. They will have to affect the entirety or significantly affect the higher dimension to get Tier 1 ratings. Since you can interact, affect higher dimensional objects/ beings/ non-significant spaces per our tiering system w/o being Tier 1. That applies to even Low 1-C, 1-C and any above.

Ok...I kinda figured things would come to this eventually but not here in this CRT...so. The Ascension Network (AKA Ascnet) is the network inherent inside the Punishing Virus, think of it as a cloud for Ascendants & Agents to connect and draw their power. The Ascnet has a Will, which is the disembodied thoughts/desires of the information of those it's absorbed. I'll spare you the lore lecture, in short. Ascnet is the Will of the Punishing Virus of our current timeline, this Will then takes the form of Luna's Authority (Selene) and forces Luna to go from an Agent of the Virus to a literal entire different being (A Hetero Creature) because obviously as an Agent of the Punishing Virus...going up against the literal source of your power is of course...not smart since (like Selene does) they will just take back all the power they gave you.

Guess 3rd is fine then.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Since you can interact, affect higher dimensional objects/ beings/ non-significant spaces per our tiering system w/o being Tier 1. That applies to even Low 1-C, 1-C and any above.

Wait what? Isn’t that counterintuitive to how you’d get feats for those tiers anyways?

 

[Reiner04]

Wait what? Isn’t that counterintuitive to how you’d get feats for those tiers anyways?

Only way to get those tiers is to:

1. Affect the structure mentioned in the given tier.
   • higher-dimensional structures that are one (or above) uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures.
2. Scaling Chain through character already scales.

So Luna can't be scaled through point 1 due to not being able to affect entirety. But if she is comparable or was able to fight with some Tier 1 being (like Lee), then she will scale.

Insignificant higher dimensional structures (that is occasionally non-Universal size across all higher dimensions above Low 2-C), is not Low 1-C as stated here in our FAQ:

• Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Only way to get those tiers is to:

1. Affect the structure mentioned in the given tier.
   • higher-dimensional structures that are one (or above) uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures.

Ah, okay I see what you mean sorry I was tired earlier lol. Let me clarify what her being able to "activate" the Tower is, the Tower as I previously mentioned required a "key" in order for it to be activated. Now, the Tower's core is something that Lee came into contact with and changed this changed the fundamental rules of how the Tower operates turning it into the Inver-Hetero Tower now as the official game description for the Inver-Hetero Tower states, the "key" can manipulate some of it's properties to some extent. So while I wanted to save this section for another CRT, I will give a bit of explanation on what this "key" in question is (at least in this specific scan)

The "key" Lucia uses is something constructed by a character known as Dominik, Dominik is someone who is a textbook supergenius. Capable of figuring out the Hetero Tower and Chaos Contamination while building technology made to counter or harness their power for their own goals. Now the "key" is constructed from something called Dominik's Invitation, by declining the offer to upload his memory data into Gestalt and fusing with Dominik The Commandant was able to transform this into a "key" capable of retrieving and even destroying the tower's core. Now, what is important is that this core is basically what allows the tower to function and having power over the core directly influences who controls the tower.

This is how they get their L1C scaling, which ties into how Selene & Agent Zero were capable of activating the Gate. Now I was also gonna save this for a future CRT lol but...Agent Zero is revealed to be the creator of the Hetero Tower. So it actually makes perfect sense that she's capable of doing this, hope that gave you a clearer understanding.

 

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Only way to get those tiers is to:

1. Affect the structure mentioned in the given tier.
   • higher-dimensional structures that are one (or above) uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures.
2. Scaling Chain through character already scales.

So Luna can't be scaled through point 1 due to not being able to affect entirety. But if she is comparable or was able to fight with some Tier 1 being (like Lee), then she will scale.

Insignificant higher dimensional structures (that is occasionally non-Universal size across all higher dimensions above Low 2-C), is not Low 1-C as stated here in our FAQ:

• Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

Oh right, btw forgot to mention this but another way they can reach L1C/5D is due to this scan that states the PV has a 4th dimension to it (which would be 4 spatial + 1 temporal) and, since I have proven Selene is the literal PV. Would this not serve as adequate proof? On top of everything else I mentioned?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Unless, like with the Tower we will just denote it to being 2A with 5D HDE? Though I believe Selene being L1C has a bit more merit since she is again...the literal PV which would fully scale to it's own dimension since it exists inside itself.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

So uh, I went to review chapter 22 and chapter 30

The Key seems to imply more so about Luna being the key to reach the first login and to ensure they do not lose their body during the jump

Now checking Chapter 30, when they mentioned The Gate or "The Door", it was activated using the power of Agent0 and Selene. It was also built by both of them

The gate wasn't used because Luna and Selene's fight happened in a passageway behind the Gate that led to the Core of the Tower, which was slowly absorbing the Punishing virus, and at the same time, the blue core was being corrupted by their powers.

The important scaling here is that. Although Luna's power was completely absorbed by the Core, she was able to easily retrieve it after defeating Selene, which resulted in her gaining it back but without contamination (likely due to the core). And at that moment, she possesses the power to change all those countless forks in reality and future, seemingly indicating he has gained the power equivalent to Lee, who was also doing it to prevent any future where he failed to happen when climbing the tower in chapter 22.

So at the very least, it could scale to 2-A via countless likely low 1-C via scaling to the top of the tower and cor,e where she somehow retrieved her punishing back and was granted unexplainable power into her hand.

knowing the story and the existence of the Observer + The Power of the core to change the entirety of the tower.
I would say low 1-C is warranted as the story seems to indicate that she was granted power on such degree and was even tempted to use it

 

[Reiner04]

So uh, I went to review chapter 22 and chapter 30

The Key seems to imply more so about Luna being the key to reach the first login and to ensure they do not lose their body during the jump

Now checking Chapter 30, when they mentioned The Gate or "The Door", it was activated using the power of Agent0 and Selene. It was also built by both of them

The gate wasn't used because Luna and Selene's fight happened in a passageway behind the Gate that led to the Core of the Tower, which was slowly absorbing the Punishing virus, and at the same time, the blue core was being corrupted by their powers.

The important scaling here is that. Although Luna's power was completely absorbed by the Core, she was able to easily retrieve it after defeating Selene, which resulted in her gaining it back but without contamination (likely due to the core). And at that moment, she possesses the power to change all those countless forks in reality and future, seemingly indicating he has gained the power equivalent to Lee, who was also doing it to prevent any future where he failed to happen when climbing the tower in chapter 22.

So at the very least, it could scale to 2-A via countless likely low 1-C via scaling to the top of the tower and cor,e where she somehow retrieved her punishing back and was granted unexplainable power into her hand.

knowing the story and the existence of the Observer + The Power of the core to change the entirety of the tower.
I would say low 1-C is warranted as the story seems to indicate that she was granted power on such degree and was even tempted to use it

This reasoning is fine for Low 1-C.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

So uh, I went to review chapter 22 and chapter 30

The Key seems to imply more so about Luna being the key to reach the first login and to ensure they do not lose their body during the jump

Now checking Chapter 30, when they mentioned The Gate or "The Door", it was activated using the power of Agent0 and Selene. It was also built by both of them

The gate wasn't used because Luna and Selene's fight happened in a passageway behind the Gate that led to the Core of the Tower, which was slowly absorbing the Punishing virus, and at the same time, the blue core was being corrupted by their powers.

The important scaling here is that. Although Luna's power was completely absorbed by the Core, she was able to easily retrieve it after defeating Selene, which resulted in her gaining it back but without contamination (likely due to the core). And at that moment, she possesses the power to change all those countless forks in reality and future, seemingly indicating he has gained the power equivalent to Lee, who was also doing it to prevent any future where he failed to happen when climbing the tower in chapter 22.

So at the very least, it could scale to 2-A via countless likely low 1-C via scaling to the top of the tower and cor,e where she somehow retrieved her punishing back and was granted unexplainable power into her hand.

knowing the story and the existence of the Observer + The Power of the core to change the entirety of the tower.
I would say low 1-C is warranted as the story seems to indicate that she was granted power on such degree and was even tempted to use it

Wow...surprised you went and did that, thanks for the help Jedi. Future PGR verse supporter???

So uh, I went to review chapter 22 and chapter 30

The Key seems to imply more so about Luna being the key to reach the first login and to ensure they do not lose their body during the jump

I will nitpick a tiny bit, this isn't entirely true what Selene meant is that because Agent 0 is the original PV if they did go back in time she'd essentially overwrite her authority (because she is the ascension network) and this is due to later information we get on the nature of Contaminating Memetics/Chaos Contamination. It's also something mainly talked about in the chapter by Ishmael, that the PV is actually just a shell of Agent 0 basically. So by going back in time, Selene (the shell) would be sacrificing herself for Agent 0 to fully retake her mantle. Of course, she doesn't wanna do this cuz she wants both of them to get what they want so yeah. Just smth small I wanted to add, overall you more or less answered everything and saved me having to go back for this thanks again lol

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Oh right, btw forgot to mention this but another way they can reach L1C/5D is due to this scan that states the PV has a 4th dimension to it (which would be 4 spatial + 1 temporal) and, since I have proven Selene is the literal PV. Would this not serve as adequate proof? On top of everything else I mentioned?

On a side note, since I did bring this up here. I'd like to propose that the PV page get upgraded from 4D to 5D since Selene is involved if that's alright?

 

[Reiner04]

Was asked to ping some staff here;

@LordGriffin1000 @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Qawsedf234 @Planck69

Your opinion will be appreciated.

 

[Elizhaa]

The proposals look fine.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

On a side note, since I did bring this up here. I'd like to propose that the PV page get upgraded from 4D to 5D since Selene is involved if that's alright?

Thanks, can I get an answer on this?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I'm not sure whether Punishing Virus would scale since we'd have to make sure they can actually use it to such level on any other abilities other than creating

and it was also absorbed without issue by the core. Agent-0 is also complaining about becoming weaker due to the core actually absorbing the punishing

It could and might only be unique to Luna to have 5D punishing and ascension network

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'm not sure whether Punishing Virus would scale since we'd have to make sure they can actually use it to such level on any other abilities other than creating

and it was also absorbed without issue by the core. Agent-0 is also complaining about becoming weaker due to the core actually absorbing the punishing

It could and might only be unique to Luna to have 5D punishing and ascension network

Well it's not much of an issue since the core would be above the PV even if it did get 5D, but can forget it now. I'm gonna make a dedicated CRT for that sometime in the future where I discuss it in more detail

 

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[Reiner04]

@Dalesean027 @Nierre @DarkDragonMedeus @firestorm @Planck69 your opinion will be appreciated here.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Nice, so to conclude everything we use Jedi's justification for L1C and we're all good?

 

[Reiner04]

Nice, so to conclude everything we use Jedi's justification for L1C and we're all good?

Yes. @TheGreatJedi13 would you be able to provide the description that need to be added in the profile?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Luna​

Likely Low Complex Multiverse level (Was capable of defeating Selene, despite the latter being able to activate the top level of The Hetero Tower that exists beyond the lower-level spacetime continuum and the crack in between. Being a higher-dimensional space, all of spacetime is merely a map in this dimension. Where the concepts of beginning and end do not exist)

Should be changed to

Low Complex Multiverse level (Was capable of defeating Selene, despite the latter being able to create and activate The Gate at the top level of The Hetero Tower that exists beyond the lower-level spacetime continuum and the crack in between. Being a higher-dimensional space, all of spacetime is merely a map in this dimension. Where the concepts of beginning and end do not exist and have the Key Identical to Dominik's, that could destroy the Core that powers the 'entire Tower)

3rd Key​

change to

Low Complex Multiverse level (Absorbed Selene in her entirety and regained her punishing lacking only its contamination and possessed unexplicable power to change all forks of reality by just raising her hand )

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Selene​

Low Complex Multiverse level (Selene was capable of activating the Gate, which is the top level of The Hetero Tower and exists beyond the lower-level spacetime continuum and the crack in between. Being a higher-dimensional space, all of spacetime is merely a map in this dimension. Where the concepts of beginning and end do not exist)

to

At most Low Complex Multiverse level (Selene was able to completely create and activate The Gate at the top level of The Hetero Tower that exists beyond the lower-level spacetime continuum and the crack in between. Being a higher-dimensional space, all of spacetime is merely a map in this dimension. Where the concepts of beginning and end do not exist capable of using it but would result on her being unable to survive without Luna's Key

don't forget to add references so its easier to find in case links go down



Also, I noticed that the Hetero Tower gate is listed as 6D Is that correct?
Because If we are scaling the towers gate to Luna or Selene shouldn't they be 6D (Complex Multiverse) and not 5D (Low Complex Multiverse)?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

don't forget to add references so its easier to find in case links go down

Yeah I will

Also, I noticed that the Hetero Tower gate is listed as 6D Is that correct?
Because If we are scaling the towers gate to Luna or Selene shouldn't they be 6D (Complex Multiverse) and not 5D (Low Complex Multiverse)?

Assuming we follow Lee's logic it's smth in regards to the scaling being of non significant size or smth (Reiner mentioned it in the tier 1 CRT)
Idk what his thoughts on that are, I've had a lot of people ask me similar questions. So ig we'll wait to hear what Reiner has to say

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Done with adding all the references, on a side note if they do get the 1C instead of L1C then this should function as a buff to Lee as well cuz he's just literally and narratively implied to be superior to them.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Assuming we follow Lee's logic it's smth in regards to the scaling being of non significant size or smth (Reiner mentioned it in the tier 1 CRT)
Idk what his thoughts on that are, I've had a lot of people ask me similar questions. So ig we'll wait to hear what Reiner has to say

If it is scaling to lee then just l1c.

guess its fine

 

[Reiner04]

Closing.