Conceptual Manipulation for Zhuo Fan

[Le_démon_Araii]

Yeah it doesn't really help for CM I'd say. You would need something like "The essence of the path are abstract stuff that govern an aspect of reality" type of statement.

Unfortunately, there is no such statement in the novel

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Is there any scan which proves manipulating Dao can affect the reality/object it governs?

“This doesn’t look like a barrier, or illusion. My Thunderflame would’ve destroyed them by now.” -chapter 1291

I don't know it's enough

 

[Frey_Starlight]

same question as reiner, if there is proof with actual scans, i can agree with cm type 2, but all that needs to updated in the OP with what type of CM ability will zhou fan have, and abstract existence was also in contention.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

same question as reiner, if there is proof with actual scans, i can agree with cm type 2, but all that needs to updated in the OP with what type of CM ability will zhou fan have, and abstract existence was also in contention.

Right now i can't send you some scan because there something that i need to do first maybe later i send the scan

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Is there any scan which proves manipulating Dao can affect the reality/object it governs?

same question as reiner, if there is proof with actual scans, i can agree with cm type 2, but all that needs to updated in the OP with what type of CM ability will zhou fan have, and abstract existence was also in contention.

"Kid, do you know what successor means? It's not just the skill, but the path. Divine Eye of the Void is Heavenly Sovereign's greatest skill, containing within is his Void Path. As you train it, you'll gain insights and blend with the Dao. It seeps into your bones, it fills your soul. It will never leave you for as long as you live."

"No one can escape my Heavenly Daos’ eye!" [...] “Divine Eye of the Void, 12th Stage: True World!” [...] A large chunk of the Sacred Domain up and vanished. With the fall of the barrier, the mortal domain was born.

The Void Path is explicitly stated to be more than a technique it is Heavenly Sovereign’s Dao, his governing Path that permeates both body and soul. Dragon Ancestor makes it clear that this Dao fuses into the cultivator’s being, reflecting true metaphysical unity with the concept of "Void." This is consistent with how Magic Emperor treats Dao as governing metaphysical constructs, not mere elements.

Heveanly Soveriegn Created the mortal domain with his void path

When the Heavenly Sovereign activates the 12th stage (True World) of the Divine Eye of the Void, it does not just destroy space it erases a "large chunk of the Sacred Domain" and replaces it with a new world: the Mortal Domain. This is not teleportation, nor mere destruction. It is replacement and rewriting of spatial-reality a shift in existence’s structure via the Void Path. The very name “True World” suggests World Creation via Dao, reinforcing that the Void Path affects reality at a fundamental, conceptual level.

The Void Path as used through the Divine Eye of the Void clearly affects the very structure of reality, erasing one domain and creating another. Its influence permeates the soul, binds to the self, and governs through Dao-level authority, marking it as a example of Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation: altering or manifesting abstract principles (Void, Domain, Dao) to produce tangible and metaphysical changes in reality.

@Frey_Starlight @Reiner04 @SweetDao what do you this about this

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

same question as reiner, if there is proof with actual scans, i can agree with cm type 2, but all that needs to updated in the OP with what type of CM ability will zhou fan have, and abstract existence was also in contention.

In Demonic Emperor, there's an art form called the Yin-Yang chains, which use the essence of the world, and the only way to break the chains is to destroy the world.
In the legends of Taoism, the duality of Yin and Yang signifies heaven and earth, which is the same as the world itself, so we can conclude that Yin and Yang signify the world.
Yin - Yang was an abstract thing, that makes the world an abstract thing too, destroying the world means destroying an abstract thing which could well be conceptual destruction, and as Zhuo Fan is one with heaven and earth, so Yin - Yang is also an abstract existence.
I can add that in Taoism, the Dao means “the way” or “the path”, and we know that the Dao is a path to follow, not something physical or spiritual, but an ideology, something abstract, and Zhuo merged with the 10 Dao as the Celestial Sovereign said.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

The Void Path is explicitly stated to be more than a technique it is Heavenly Sovereign’s Dao, his governing Path that permeates both body and soul. Dragon Ancestor makes it clear that this Dao fuses into the cultivator’s being, reflecting true metaphysical unity with the concept of "Void." This is consistent with how Magic Emperor treats Dao as governing metaphysical constructs, not mere elements.

Heveanly Soveriegn Created the mortal domain with his void path

When the Heavenly Sovereign activates the 12th stage (True World) of the Divine Eye of the Void, it does not just destroy space it erases a "large chunk of the Sacred Domain" and replaces it with a new world: the Mortal Domain. This is not teleportation, nor mere destruction. It is replacement and rewriting of spatial-reality a shift in existence’s structure via the Void Path. The very name “True World” suggests World Creation via Dao, reinforcing that the Void Path affects reality at a fundamental, conceptual level.

The Void Path as used through the Divine Eye of the Void clearly affects the very structure of reality, erasing one domain and creating another. Its influence permeates the soul, binds to the self, and governs through Dao-level authority, marking it as a example of Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation: altering or manifesting abstract principles (Void, Domain, Dao) to produce tangible and metaphysical changes in reality.

@Frey_Starlight @Reiner04 @SweetDao what do you this about this

In Demonic Emperor, there's an art form called the Yin-Yang chains, which use the essence of the world, and the only way to break the chains is to destroy the world.
In the legends of Taoism, the duality of Yin and Yang signifies heaven and earth, which is the same as the world itself, so we can conclude that Yin and Yang signify the world.
Yin - Yang was an abstract thing, that makes the world an abstract thing too, destroying the world means destroying an abstract thing which could well be conceptual destruction, and as Zhuo Fan is one with heaven and earth, so Yin - Yang is also an abstract existence.
I can add that in Taoism, the Dao means “the way” or “the path”, and we know that the Dao is a path to follow, not something physical or spiritual, but an ideology, something abstract, and Zhuo merged with the 10 Dao as the Celestial Sovereign said.

Bump

 

[Zaratthustra]

So, is this a profile for just the manhua character or a hybrid between novel and manhua cause I see both sources being used and from what I know the manhau deviates some things from the novel as usual in these adaptations. You can't use both sources' feats/statements to make a profile. Either use just manhua and continue with what's presented there or make a new profile for novel side, making so that the character got 2 profiles.

I also don't see much backing for conceptual manipulation, while at the same time, you can't use statements from outside the novel (about dao) to back the present arguments from the series, use just what's presented within it.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

So, is this a profile for just the manhua character or a hybrid between novel and manhua cause I see both sources being used and from what I know the manhau deviates some things from the novel as usual in these adaptations. You can't use both sources' feats/statements to make a profile. Either use just manhua and continue with what's presented there or make a new profile for novel side, making so that the character got 2 profiles.

I also don't see much backing for conceptual manipulation, while at the same time, you can't use statements from outside the novel (about dao) to back the present arguments from the series, use just what's presented within it.

if there is deviation severe enough that the character can't have a hybrid profile (I think best example of that would martial peak?) then the previous crt and feats would also need to be re-evaluated as both manhua and novel sources were used.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

So, is this a profile for just the manhua character or a hybrid between novel and manhua cause I see both sources being used and from what I know the manhau deviates some things from the novel as usual in these adaptations. You can't use both sources' feats/statements to make a profile. Either use just manhua and continue with what's presented there or make a new profile for novel side, making so that the character got 2 profiles.

I also don't see much backing for conceptual manipulation, while at the same time, you can't use statements from outside the novel (about dao) to back the present arguments from the series, use just what's presented within it.

There's nothing to worry about, the manhua doesn't deviate from the novel at all, it follows the same path, as I can testify after reading the novel.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

if there is deviation severe enough that the character can't have a hybrid profile (I think best example of that would martial peak?) then the previous crt and feats would also need to be re-evaluated as both manhua and novel sources were used.

There's no difference between the 2 except for a few elements that are better presented in the novel but it's minimal, the exploits in the novel and manhua are the same.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

So, is this a profile for just the manhua character or a hybrid between novel and manhua cause I see both sources being used and from what I know the manhau deviates some things from the novel as usual in these adaptations. You can't use both sources' feats/statements to make a profile. Either use just manhua and continue with what's presented there or make a new profile for novel side, making so that the character got 2 profiles.

I also don't see much backing for conceptual manipulation, while at the same time, you can't use statements from outside the novel (about dao) to back the present arguments from the series, use just what's presented within it.

I find this very silly because the novel is based on it, and certain details are incomprehensible without knowing the external meaning, such as the difference between the paths and the Dao, or the speciality of the art of the true self, the duality of Yin - Yang, etc...

Without knowing the meaning of certain things in the works of cultivation, it is impossible to know all the feats and all the abilities, this is what differentiates the works of cultivation from other works.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

if there is deviation severe enough that the character can't have a hybrid profile (I think best example of that would martial peak?) then the previous crt and feats would also need to be re-evaluated as both manhua and novel sources were used.

Manhua is following in novel

 

[Rikimarox2]

You can't really use stuff from outside sources unless they are very basic, otherwise every cultivation novel ever that uses Yin-Yang would be considered CM, and their tier would skyrocket.

That said, I think more evidence is needed, especially something like "Defining the world". The whole "Essence of the world and you need to destroy the world itself" is maybe a bit helpful, but is far from enough for CM. That's what I think, at least.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

You can't really use stuff from outside sources unless they are very basic, otherwise every cultivation novel ever that uses Yin-Yang would be considered CM, and their tier would skyrocket.

That said, I think more evidence is needed, especially something like "Defining the world". The whole "Essence of the world and you need to destroy the world itself" is maybe a bit helpful, but is far from enough for CM. That's what I think, at least.

Except that in general this is indeed the case, the Yin - Yang duality is present in all cultivation verses, and the Yin - Yang has always referred to the sky and the earth, just as the Yang is the sun and the Yin is the moon, in all cultivation novels the sky and the earth refer to the world itself, This is something that all readers of cultivation novels know for a fact, the Dao gave birth to the Taijitu which gave birth to the Yin - Yang which gave birth to the 4 elements, which in turn gave birth to the 8 thiagrams, etc...

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

So i talk with @Le_démon_Araii and we decided to close this crt and we create a new crt when we found solid evidence for his Right now we focus for other hax of zhuo fan and other profile.

 

[Thinnapat_butsiri]

if there is deviation severe enough that the character can't have a hybrid profile (I think best example of that would martial peak?) then the previous crt and feats would also need to be re-evaluated as both manhua and novel sources were used.

Not at all. In Martial Peak, the manhua strictly follows the storyline of the novel without deviation. And in the CRT thread for Martial Peak, the scans used are from the novel’s chapters, with the manhua being used to illustrate those same scenes. The manhua chapters are scanned alongside the corresponding novel chapters to provide a clearer overall picture.

 

[Thinnapat_butsiri]

Your scans are truly insufficient for Zhou Fan to be granted CM Type 1 & 2. You should include the chapters where Zhou Fan talks with the sacred beasts, such as the Golden Dragon Ancestor Long Zu and the Heaven Sealing Turtle, where they discuss the Dao of the Emperor. You should also include the chapters where Zhou Fan fights against the Heavenly Emperor, using various Daos to battle him. Furthermore, there are the Heavenly Emperor’s statements regarding the Ten Emperor Daos, which should also be scanned to provide additional supporting evidence.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Not at all. In Martial Peak, the manhua strictly follows the storyline of the novel without deviation. And in the CRT thread for Martial Peak, the scans used are from the novel’s chapters, with the manhua being used to illustrate those same scenes. The manhua chapters are scanned alongside the corresponding novel chapters to provide a clearer overall picture.

i worded it wrong here, what i meant is exactly as you said, martial peak is the best example for hybrid profile as it used both manhua and novel scans.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Your scans are truly insufficient for Zhou Fan to be granted CM Type 1 & 2. You should include the chapters where Zhou Fan talks with the sacred beasts, such as the Golden Dragon Ancestor Long Zu and the Heaven Sealing Turtle, where they discuss the Dao of the Emperor. You should also include the chapters where Zhou Fan fights against the Heavenly Emperor, using various Daos to battle him. Furthermore, there are the Heavenly Emperor’s statements regarding the Ten Emperor Daos, which should also be scanned to provide additional supporting evidence.

I already dot that

 

[Thinnapat_butsiri]

I already dot that

What I meant is that you should include the entire beginning of their conversation. You only added a part of the dialogue, but that’s not enough. You should also include the introductory part of the chapter to support the key points. For example, during the conversation with Long Zu, you should include everything from the very beginning of their discussion on the Path of the Emperor.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

What I meant is that you should include the entire beginning of their conversation. You only added a part of the dialogue, but that’s not enough. You should also include the introductory part of the chapter to support the key points. For example, during the conversation with Long Zu, you should include everything from the very beginning of their discussion on the Path of the Emperor.

It's better to close this crt and make a new one