Conceptual Manipulation for Zhuo Fan

[Youngwolf-0.1]

So im going to purpose for conceptual manipulation
In Magic Emperor, the Dao is the fundamental principle, path, and truth that governs all things in existence. It is both a cosmic law and a personal cultivation path. Understanding the Dao allows a cultivator to harmonize with the universe, transcend limitations, and eventually reach the Sovereign Stage and beyond.

“Under their guidance, humanity began to comprehend the Dao, beginning to cultivate and grow stronger. Countless experts rose to prominence while the supremacy of the sacred beasts upon the world began to wane.”

This is the first statement linking the Dao to cultivation and power. It explicitly states that the moment humans started to comprehend the Dao, their strength began to match and surpass the sacred beasts previously the apex of the world. The Dao is the source of human cultivation. Comprehending the Dao = understanding the structure of reality. The Dao is treated as a universal truth or principle.

“Haven’t you ever noticed that all the arts and skills in the world have their roots going back to these ten paths?”

the Dragon Ancestor reveals that all cultivation arts, from the lowest skills to the strongest techniques, ultimately derive from one of the Ten Paths to Heaven aka Ten Daos. The Dao is a conceptual origin for all supernatural power. The Ten Sovereigns embody these Ten Daos. There are only ten official concepts reality acknowledges for one to reach the Sovereign Stage.

“The Ten Paths to Heaven are finite and all accounted for. For one to rise, another had to fall.”

“As long as the ten Sovereigns live, even if humanity cultivates, it will never reach higher.”

The Dao directly to the metaphysical structure of reality. Each Path (Dao) can only be occupied by one Sovereign. Limited slots for conceptual power. One must create or align with a new concept/Dao to ascend.

• Dao = Conceptual Slot in reality.
• Reaching the Sovereign Stage means becoming the embodiment of a fundamental Dao.
• The Dao not only grants power but also regulates existence.

“But by gaining insight in a path outside of these ten, then you’ll be a fully fledged Sovereign in your own right.”

To transcend current reality, one must comprehend a new conceptual path (Dao). Step outside the existing system of the Ten Paths.

That is:

• Zhuo Fan cannot rise unless he defines a new metaphysical truth a new Dao.
• Creating or comprehending such a Dao is equal to rewriting the structure of reality a feat equivalent to Conceptual Manipulation and Reality Overwrite.

There are 10 paths (Dao)

Heavenly Path— Void Path- Void Dao focuses on the manipulation of space and the void. The Heavenly Sovereign possesses this dao and created the Divine Eye of the Void with this dao after reaching the Sovereign status and used Void Spirit Physique.

Human Path— Invincible Tyrant Path- The Invincible Tyrant path focuses on one's own desires and the indomitable human spirit, those with determination and conviction are to dominate this path. The Invincible Tyrant Dao focuses on the raw physical prowess of the cultivator and giving them near limitless physical strength and durability. This dao was what allowed the Tyrant Sovereign to match the Heaven Soaring Qilin, the physically superior and durable of the Holy Beasts.

Human Path— Nine Serenities Demonic Path-The Nine Serenities Demon Dao was all about reading the hearts of humanity and taking in the good and the bad, while also working on removing any qualms, resistance, and disgust one might have regarding any aspects of it.

Human Path— Iron Blooded Sword Path- The Iron Blooded Sword Dao is about loyalty towards a person or ideal and righteousness. Hence, weapons, like the two Sovereign grade weapons were the only ones to occupy this path. The Iron Blooded Sword Dao was focused on the 5 sword daos created by the Sword Emperor, the Holy Swords. The Sword Emperor's purpose in creating these swords was to recreate the power of the 5 Holy Beasts.

Human Path— Night Star Path- The Destiny Dao focuses on the manipulation of one's Fate and of the stars

Human Path— Hellish Nether Path- The Nether Dao focuses on ruling the Nether Sea, which is the sacred domain to where all dead souls go to after their passing. This allowed the Nether Emperor to control life and death, as the Nether Sea grants the cultivator the option to save dead souls and allow them to be reborn or to allow them to remain dead, wandering the nether for eternity.

Human Path— Concealed Shadow Path- The Shadow Dao focuses on the control over shadows. Since shadows are one with everyone, the Shadow Emperor could create a copycat of a person that replicate all of its originals abilities and techniques. The Concealed Shadow path can also allows the user to vanish in shadows or appear wherever they're any shadows.

Human Path— Rebirth Path- The Rebirth Dao focuses on the control over reincarnation and the Heavenly Rebirth Lake. The lake is what allows individuals to reincarnate back into the world.

Human Path— Ardent Passion Path- The Ardent Passion Dao focuses on the primordial aspect that all humans have, emotions.

Human Path— Mortal Path- The Mortal Dao focuses on granting the user unimaginable speed, eternal youth, and unpredictability.

Extra

Heavenly Path- World Destruction Dao

Conclusion:​

All Ten Sovereigns possess Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)

• Embody a Dao = embodiment of an abstract, metaphysical force.
• Influence all arts and skills = direct effect on the conceptual framework of powers in the verse.
• Their death or survival determines whether someone can become a Sovereign = they define the cosmic rules of cultivation.

Zhuo Fan have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, 2) and Abstract Existence (Type 1). Create a new Dao, transcends existence, alters cosmic balance

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

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[Youngwolf-0.1]

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[SweetDao]

I'm personally not seeing CM.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

I'm personally not seeing CM.

Why?, Dao in Magic Emperor, is the fundamental principle, path, and truth that governs all things in existence.

 

[SweetDao]

and truth that governs all things in existence.

Unless I've missed it, in which scan was it stated?

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Unless I've missed it, in which scan was it stated?

“Under their guidance, humanity began to comprehend the Dao, beginning to cultivate and grow stronger. Countless experts rose to prominence while the supremacy of the sacred beasts upon the world began to wane.”

Dao is not merely a path but the very principle that allowed humanity to ascend, surpassing even the sacred beasts. The comprehension of the Dao led to the emergence of powerful experts, indicating its role as the ultimate truth governing existence

“The Ten Paths to Heaven are finite and all accounted for. For one to rise, another had to fall.”

all cultivation arts and skills originate from the Ten Paths, each representing a distinct aspect of the Dao

“But by gaining insight in a path outside of these ten, then you’ll be a fully fledged Sovereign in your own right.”

by comprehending a new, unique path essentially a new aspect of the Dao one can ascend to Sovereignty

 

[SweetDao]

In none of those scans does it say it's a truth that governs all things in existence.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

In none of those scans does it say it's a truth that governs all things in existence.

Not word-for-word, but it governs all arts and skills (mystical/martial systems). It limits who can ascend (rules of cosmic hierarchy). It is described as a world constant and path to comprehend reality. It requires insight into the nature of the world to ascend beyond.

 

[SweetDao]

Not word-for-word, but it governs all arts and skills (mystical/martial systems). It limits who can ascend (rules of cosmic hierarchy). It is described as a world constant and path to comprehend reality. It requires insight into the nature of the world to ascend beyond.

I don't feel like anything you've presented come close to CM. The fact that each skill comes from some path is standards stuff (it's like saying every fire spell comes from the Fire Path), that it limit or not who can ascend is not really useful without further information. Sure, it's said that when you reach the peak you can see the true nature of the world, but since it's only a single sentence and not further explained, it's really hard to make anything of it.

CM is usually easy to prove in cultivation novels, so you should check other chapters and such, CM doesn't need much but it at least need more than what you have right now. That's my opinion, at least.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

The fact that each skill comes from some path is standards stuff (it's like saying every fire spell comes from the Fire Path),

the Paths are not just elemental categories or energy types like "Fire," "Sword," or "Ice." They are fundamental governing metaphysical constructs, referred to as the "Ten Paths to Heaven"

“Haven’t you ever noticed that all the arts and skills in the world have their roots going back to these ten paths?”

that it limit or not who can ascend is not really useful without further information.

to become a Sovereign, you must comprehend a Dao, but not just any Dao it has to be your own, and not one of the existing Ten Paths

Sure, it's said that when you reach the peak you can see the true nature of the world, but since it's only a single sentence and not further explained, it's really hard to make anything of it.

if Zhuo Fan merely saw it. But he didn’t just reach that level he actively rewrote it
He has access to the original void of creation, described as “how the world first started, meaning a pre-conceptual or proto-reality space.

CM is usually easy to prove in cultivation novels, so you should check other chapters and such

Yes, I do that

 

[SweetDao]

the Paths are not just elemental categories or energy types like "Fire," "Sword," or "Ice." They are fundamental governing metaphysical constructs, referred to as the "Ten Paths to Heaven"

You have to show scans. You saying it with no scans backing it up is useless. Right now, from the scans you sent, nothing state that they are "governing metaphysical constructs".

if Zhuo Fan merely saw it. But he didn’t just reach that level he actively rewrote it
He has access to the original void of creation, described as “how the world first started, meaning a pre-conceptual or proto-reality space.

"Nothing in it" could just mean no physical matter, no planets, no civilization, etc. You have to prove it's devoid of concepts, laws and such.

 

[CALL_DADDY]

These scans not showing dao being 1 or 2 cm

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

You have to show scans. You saying it with no scans backing it up is useless. Right now, from the scans you sent, nothing state that they are "governing metaphysical constructs".

“The Ten Paths to Heaven are finite and all accounted for. For one to rise, another had to fall.”

Ten Paths are not merely elemental abilities but are fixed, foundational constructs within the world's metaphysical framework.

 

[SweetDao]

Ten Paths are not merely elemental abilities but are fixed, foundational constructs within the world's metaphysical framework.

The scan doesn't state any of that.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

The scan doesn't state any of that.

The scan may not literally say "metaphysical construct," but it clearly describes a system of finite, exclusive, ontological roles, not casual elemental powers. The way the Paths govern Sovereign ascension, require embodiment, and enforce mutual exclusivity is itself metaphysical structure even if the exact word isn’t used.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Vous devez montrer des scans. Le dire sans scans à l'appui est inutile. Pour l'instant, d'après les scans que vous avez envoyés, rien n'indique qu'il s'agit de « constructions métaphysiques gouvernantes ».

« Rien dedans » pourrait simplement signifier pas de matière physique, pas de planètes, pas de civilisation, etc. Vous devez prouver qu'il est dépourvu de concepts, de lois et autres.

Il parle d'un monde blanc, et puis Zhuo dit que c'est ainsi que le monde a commencé, sans rien dedans, un néant total, sachant que dans le néant rien ne peut exister, pas même les concepts et les lois.

 

[SweetDao]

Il parle d'un monde blanc, et puis Zhuo dit que c'est ainsi que le monde a commencé, sans rien dedans, un néant total, sachant que dans le néant rien ne peut exister, pas même les concepts et les lois.

En anglais s'il te plait.

You still need to show proof that this void is lacking any concepts or laws. You can't just assume it's the case by default.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Dans aucun de ces scans, il n'est dit que c'est une vérité qui gouverne toutes les choses existantes.

Pour cela, nous pouvons nous appuyer sur ce blog, validé par Ultima, qui parle de l'Essence du Dao , et qui décrit le Dao comme l'origine de tout et tout a une essence, et dans Magic Emperor, même les chemins ont une essence, comme l'explique Zhuo dans ce chapitre .

 

[SweetDao]

Pour cela, nous pouvons nous appuyer sur ce blog, validé par Ultima, qui parle de l'Essence du Dao , et qui décrit le Dao comme l'origine de tout et tout a une essence, et dans Magic Emperor, même les chemins ont une essence, comme l'explique Zhuo dans ce chapitre .

First, you can't use another blog as proof.

Secondly, you can't send a chapter and say "it is explained here". Quote the important parts.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Personnellement, je ne vois pas de CM.

Pour cela aussi, nous pouvons nous appuyer sur le blog , qui confirme que l'Essence, c'est-à-dire le Dao, est un concept de type 1 qui régit toute la réalité. Il est décrit comme une force distincte des lois universelles ; le Dao transcende absolument tout, que ce soit l'espace, le temps, la causalité, le commencement, la fin, etc.

 

[SweetDao]

Pour cela aussi, nous pouvons nous appuyer sur le blog , qui confirme que l'Essence, c'est-à-dire le Dao, est un concept de type 1 qui régit toute la réalité. Il est décrit comme une force distincte des lois universelles ; le Dao transcende absolument tout, que ce soit l'espace, le temps, la causalité, le commencement, la fin, etc

It. Isn't. From. Your. Verse. You can't use a blog from another verse altogether to justify a CM for yours.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Premièrement, vous ne pouvez pas utiliser un autre blog comme preuve.

Deuxièmement, vous ne pouvez pas envoyer un chapitre en disant « c'est expliqué ici ». Citez les passages importants.

Vous dites cela, mais comment expliquez-vous le fait que ce même blog ait été utilisé pour Yang Kai par Martial Peak et ait même été accepté ?

Ce blog nous permet de donner des informations manquantes ou mal expliquées, alors nous pouvons aussi nous baser sur le principe du Dao mais le vsbw n'accepte pas cela même si le travail lui-même est basé dessus.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Ce n'est pas de votre verset. Vous ne pouvez pas utiliser un blog d'un autre verset pour justifier un CM pour le vôtre.

Pourtant, il a été utilisé pour Martial Peak et a été accepté même si ce n'est pas le même verset non plus, secondly, this blog brings together several verses that gave birth to this blog, so logically only the specific verses can be used, i.e. I will seal the heavens, A will Eternal and I forgot the other one.

 

[SweetDao]

Vous dites cela, mais comment expliquez-vous le fait que ce même blog ait été utilisé pour Yang Kai par Martial Peak et ait même été accepté ?

It wasn't. And if it was, then it means the guy who made the thread lied about it. Martial Peak doesn't come from Ergenverse.

Ce blog nous permet de donner des informations manquantes ou mal expliquées, alors nous pouvons aussi nous baser sur le principe du Dao mais le vsbw n'accepte pas cela même si le travail lui-même est basé dessus.

Write in English.

 

[SweetDao]

Pourtant, il a été utilisé pour Martial Peak et a été accepté même si ce n'est pas le même verset non plus.

Prove it, because if it's the case, it's a big problem.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Ce blog nous permet de donner des informations manquantes ou mal expliquées, alors nous pouvons aussi nous baser sur le principe du Dao mais le vsbw n'accepte pas cela même si le travail lui-même est basé dessus.

Martial peak na pas utiliser se blog la for CM, le CM vien des CTRs pas se blog la.

 

[SweetDao]

Martial peak na pas utiliser se blog la for CM, le CM vien des CTRs pas se blog la.

You're french?

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Prove it, because if it's the case, it's a big problem.

Okay, let me look for you in 2 minutes

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Prove it, because if it's the case, it's a big problem.

This proof for Yang Kai's CM1

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

Martial peak na pas utiliser se blog la for CM, le CM vien des CTRs pas se blog la.

CTR ?? I've just checked and for CM1 it's via the Grand Dao, but in the proof I don't see how it's a CM either

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

I don't see any evidence that the Dao in Martial Peak is a CM either

 

[SweetDao]

This proof for Yang Kai's CM1

I'm sure there are way more information than just this. This scan just proves the character can use all Daos.

 

[SweetDao]

The CM from Martial Peaks come from here ig, it's largely enough to prove it's CM. https://vsbattles.com/threads/martial-peak-revision.175331/

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

I'm sure there are way more information than just this. This scan just proves the character can use all Daos.

But I haven't seen anything to prove that the Dao is also a CM, apart from the fact that a thread has been created for it, so you'll have to find it.

 

[Le_démon_Araii]

The CM from Martial Peaks come from here ig, it's largely enough to prove it's CM. https://vsbattles.com/threads/martial-peak-revision.175331/

Okay, I've got nothing to say about that.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

I don't see any evidence that the Dao in Martial Peak is a CM either

You should look through this first https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Myriad_Grand_Dao_(Martial_Peak)

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Read through the OP but i really don't think Dao in this context is even remotely qualified for CM.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Stop bringing another verse for this thread
I propose another evidence for cm

The CM from Martial Peaks come from here ig, it's largely enough to prove it's CM. https://vsbattles.com/threads/martial-peak-revision.175331

"We both comprehend the Heavenly Daos and I have reached the Sovereign Stage with it. [...] I can feel the world’s laws, and there can only be ten Sovereigns."

The Paths are conceptual slots tied to the framework of the universe. Each Path is a unique metaphysical law, and there are only ten total slots, indicating their fixed and absolute nature. To become a Sovereign is not just to gain power, but to unify with, or become, a metaphysical law itself.

All the others comprehended human paths. Humans live on the ground, beneath the Heavenly Daos. [...] We are chosen by the world to grasp the Heavenly Daos."

Human Paths are lesser, grounded in the mortal realm. Heavenly Paths are higher-order conceptual truths tied to the very operation of the cosmos. Only those selected by the “world” can even attempt to grasp them, indicating their primordial and absolute nature.

The world is everlasting. It moves on its own, operating by its own laws. It will continue on whether we live or die. All beings depend on the world, yet the world is heartless. The world is independent."

The world is depicted as an impersonal conceptual system. It is governed by eternal laws, which Sovereigns attempt to comprehend or embody. These laws are not created by the Sovereigns, but preexist as governing concepts of reality.

 

[SweetDao]

The Paths are conceptual slots tied to the framework of the universe. Each Path is a unique metaphysical law, and there are only ten total slots, indicating their fixed and absolute nature. To become a Sovereign is not just to gain power, but to unify with, or become, a metaphysical law itself.

The scan doesn't state any of that.

Heavenly Paths are higher-order conceptual truths tied to the very operation of the cosmos. Only those selected by the “world” can even attempt to grasp them, indicating their primordial and absolute nature.

The scan doesn't state that they are "higher-order conceptual truths". Your explanation aren't related to the scans you send, at all.

The world is depicted as an impersonal conceptual system. It is governed by eternal laws, which Sovereigns attempt to comprehend or embody. These laws are not created by the Sovereigns, but preexist as governing concepts of reality.

The only thing interesting is the fact that there are laws within the world, that's it.

Nothing gives CM.