Legend of Heroes/Trails/Falcom Verse Creation & Discussion Thread

[Jesterofgames]

Can we use Aurealia's reaction to the beam wave fired from bable tower in Hajimari to scale characters speed instead of arts that seems to happen in their own pock dimensions?

The beam was stated to cover up to 700km in matter of seconds and Aurelia and rest of top tiers react to it. I am pretty sure you can get MHS off that alone.

also to answer the quesiton, using the cinimatic in question (it was 30 seconds But scene cuts so it could be less) it'd be like mach 70 using your distance (though i don't remember where it was as stated in game). But I again don't see why we'd dismiss the feats.

Other rpg's use similar moves. and even if we specifically dismiss lost genesis. we have several lightning and light based moves that don't take place in pocket dimensions, Elaine's craft stated to move ftl in it's description.

NOW, of course if you just disagree with all of this that's fine vs is interprative. but There's no reason this site would dismiss it.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Also hype, we might actually be able to be caught up on trails with japan by the end of the year.

 

[ZERO7772]

Rean page when...

 

[sukuna171]

Rean page when...

Do we have any idea what tier Rean would be? I think there's some Tier 2 stuff

 

[ZERO7772]

Do we have any idea what tier Rean would be? I think there's some Tier 2 stuff

Depend on how you wank the verse? He would be tier 2 yes.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Do we have any idea what tier Rean would be? I think there's some Tier 2 stuff

To give specifics to ZERO's answer (Speaking of, not a big fan of the term wank here. but w/e) General consensus is At least tier 4-A, possibly tier low 2-C due to Scaling to the lord of phantasma who maintained a dimension with stars and a moon in it. Possibly a universe with it's own Space time continum.

If your not a big fan of that scaling, Rean and basically everyone else of note would be High 4-C.

Planet is also Decently consistent at this point. with quite a few planet level feats.

 

[sukuna171]

To give specifics to ZERO's answer (Speaking of, not a big fan of the term wank here. but w/e) General consensus is At least tier 4-A, possibly tier low 2-C due to Scaling to the lord of phantasma who maintained a dimension with stars and a moon in it. Possibly a universe with it's own Space time continum.

If your not a big fan of that scaling, Rean and basically everyone else of note would be High 4-C.

Planet is also Decently consistent at this point. with quite a few planet level feats.

I think 4-A, possibly tier low 2-C, is pretty reasonable, though I wonder where the whole cosmology would scale. It could be anywhere from 2-B to 2-A, maybe even low 1-C.

 

[Jesterofgames]

I think 4-A, possibly tier low 2-C, is pretty reasonable, though I wonder where the whole cosmology would scale. It could be anywhere from 2-B to 2-A, maybe even low 1-C.

I think 2-B is the safest bet for the full cosmology. at least for rn.

 

[sukuna171]

I think 2-B is the safest bet for the full cosmology. at least for rn.

yeah, 2-B that would be the easiest to prove

 

[sukuna171]

Anti-Matter Resistance for the Reverie Cast

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A mysterious invader from outer space. Made of antimatter, it destroys everything it comes in contact with

 

[sukuna171]

more stuff from Reverie

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A once revered deity now turned into a mindless murderer. Its mace can crush even stars.

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The Zeroth Knight's true form with Sept-Terrions' power unleashed. Its great power to reconstruct time and space stems through its wings.

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A Sept-Terrion awakened by the convergence of the furthest strands of fate. It now exerts its true power, rewriting the logic of this world.

 

[Jesterofgames]

more stuff from Reverie

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A once revered deity now turned into a mindless murderer. Its mace can crush even stars.

TBF that specific one isn't from just reverie. I think it also appeares in cold steel 4.

 

[sukuna171]

TBF that specific one isn't from just reverie. I think it also appeares in cold steel 4.

Shouldn't Ishmelga Loge scale to Azure Demiourgos, making him Low 2-C

 

[Jesterofgames]

Shouldn't Ishmelga Loge scale to Azure Demiourgos, making him Low 2-C

I'm iffy on that personally unless like directly compared to him. ZERO has had issues with scaling to Azure Demiourgos but I've not completed Zero/Azure to comment on my thoughts on that particular scaling chain.

 

[sukuna171]

After looking through the scannable enemies in Trails, I have to say Rean is going to have a ton resistance.

 

[Jesterofgames]

After looking through the scannable enemies in Trails, I have to say Rean is going to have a ton resistance.

Oh absolutely, Various different soul manipulations, Existance erasure on the past preasent and future levels, matter manipuation, Anti matter maniuplation, Poison, and death being big ones off the top of my head.

 

[ZERO7772]

more stuff from Reverie

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A once revered deity now turned into a mindless murderer. Its mace can crush even stars.

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The Zeroth Knight's true form with Sept-Terrions' power unleashed. Its great power to reconstruct time and space stems through its wings.

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A Sept-Terrion awakened by the convergence of the furthest strands of fate. It now exerts its true power, rewriting the logic of this world.

I am iffy on the septterion stuff because it's mentioned in sky 3rd that you only face their physical manifestation. Their true form resides in a higher layer of existence. Also, most of them, aside from STEEL, are not even combat printed.

Zero can reset the timeline, but steel is said to affect causality and is superior in power

 

[Jesterofgames]

I am iffy on the septterion stuff because it's mentioned in sky 3rd that you only face their physical manifestation. Their true form resides in a higher layer of existence. Also, most of them, aside from STEEL, are not even combat printed.

Zero can reset the timeline, but steel is said to affect causality and is superior in power

Can I get a link to where it's said in 3rd I legitimitly do not remember where it said that. (it's been awhile since I've played through 3rd and Trail's does have a lot of dialog. So I could have missed it.)

 

[sukuna171]

maybe Existance erasure for rean

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Nebulous Zenith Returns enemies to nothingness with a stunning sword slash not unlike a fearsome god

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Luminous Abyss Returns foes to nothingness with the release of power from a master swordsman's secret technique.

 

[sukuna171]

Trails beyond the Horizon spoiler for rean

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rean maybe should have some temporal awareness thanks to remembering the grand reset

 

[ZERO7772]

Rean should maybe have a profile first.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Yeah, we really should be focusing on immedeatly relevant profile stuff

 

[sukuna171]

Rean should maybe have a profile first.

That a valid point I may have jump the gun little

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Remake of the first game (Sky 1st) is released, and remake of the second is announced. So it is a good time to get into the series.

 

[Endswriting]

I’ve been doing a bit of trails scailing on the side and I’m surprised nobody brought up stained Valimar who’s said to be able to cleave through all of creation

But I also wanted to ask, do we have the direct scan about the Azure Demiogours & the zeroth world and what they’re capable of? I haven’t played azure in a hot minute so I don’t remember the specifics Eto bleh

 

[ZERO7772]

cleave through all of creation

Is a vague statement that can't be used. Maybe this would fly in a novel or VN verse where flowery languages is all they have. Granted The Great One is the strongest thing in the verse.

iirc the Azure Demiogours lore is the after boss fight between Lloyd and Guy.

 

[Endswriting]

Is a vague statement that can't be used. Maybe this would fly in a novel or VN verse where flowery languages is all they have. Granted The Great One is the strongest thing in the verse.

iirc the Azure Demiogours lore is the after boss fight between Lloyd and Guy.

This is true, however I think it could still be pretty feasible considering the entities in the reverie corridor while unstable, have their existences amplified / strengthened so it could be used for some wank if we wanna lock in. I want to try and see if we can push for the verse more & actually lock in for some profiles. And if the Genesial demiogors created them, it would also be above them too

And aye I just saw! Now I’m just looking for the zero world itself about space & time being irrelevant. My ass needs to replay zero and azure again

 

[Endswriting]

This is true, however I think it could still be pretty feasible considering the entities in the reverie corridor while unstable, have their existences amplified / strengthened so it could be used for some wank if we wanna lock in. I want to try and see if we can push for the verse more & actually lock in for some profiles. And if the Genesial demiogors created them, it would also be above them too

And aye I just saw! Now I’m just looking for the zero world itself about space & time being irrelevant. My ass needs to replay zero and azure again

But to add to this they also use the kanji for it, sure it’s flowery but it could still hold some significance

永なる相克の果てに漆黒に染まったヴァリマール。
鬼気迫る八葉の技で森羅万象を切り裂く。

 

[ZERO7772]

This is true, however I think it could still be pretty feasible considering the entities in the reverie corridor while unstable, have their existences amplified / strengthened so it could be used for some wank if we wanna lock in. I want to try and see if we can push for the verse more & actually lock in for some profiles. And if the Genesial demiogors created them, it would also be above them too

And aye I just saw! Now I’m just looking for the zero world itself about space & time being irrelevant. My ass needs to replay zero and azure again

Demiogors can't create a prefect great one anyway as it's below it in might. It's weaker than Zero and Zero is weaker than Steel.

The Valimar there would be nerfed if anything lol.

 

[Endswriting]

Truly? I would have assumed the Genesial would be above it since it’s fought after it. But I must ask, how is the great one above it if you don’t mind me asking? I probably interpreted a statement or such as wrong

 

[ZERO7772]

The Great One is basically a super Septerrion, as it's the fusion of 2 Septs (Earth and Fire) and much superior to other septs. It's specifically mentioned to be more potent than zero, and zero is stated to be superior to the original Demiogors.

 

[Endswriting]

yeah that’s very true I’m assuming all Septerrion’s are all relative anyway by that logic. Which is why I’m wondering about the stained Valimar thing, sure it’s not a complete great one, but it’s the form it takes just before completion + buffed by Genesial. While still probably weaker could we not argue for it to be at least a bit relative if not notable?

Again I’m just asking these sort of things so it’ll be easier for us to work on down the line, since monster bios give some great hax & resistance statements

 

[Jesterofgames]

Demiogors can't create a prefect great one anyway as it's below it in might. It's weaker than Zero and Zero is weaker than Steel.

The Valimar there would be nerfed if anything lol.

I don't think Valimar would be nerfed necessarily. It was able to recreate demon Mcburn.

And I'm going to have to replay the game in the offical english patch. But in the fan translation I played Mcburn will comment that the Form could have destroyed the reverie corridor if it wasn't careful. (Which the final area had what seemed to be stars in the background and the like.)

 

[Endswriting]

I don't think Valimar would be nerfed necessarily. It was able to recreate demon Mcburn.

And I'm going to have to replay the game in the offical english patch. But in the fan translation I played Mcburn will comment that the Form could have destroyed the reverie corridor if it wasn't careful. (Which the final area had what seemed to be stars in the background and the like.)

Isn’t the true reverie corridor beyond space and time?

I’m still trying to find the zero world time & space being irrelevant thing rn myself

And I think I know the mcburn statement you’re talking about , I think it’s if you talk to him after you fight the fake

 

[Jesterofgames]

So uh questoin about arts that's revelent to Rean's page.

Wouldn't Art's have durability-negating properties?

yes I know that sounds kind of crazy but it's in line with how other verses are treated on sight. Magic defense and regular defense are treated separately in verse. (see Defense and ADefense or arts defense being seperate stats.) and it's common for the tutorial to throw enemies that are either too slippery or too bulky to deal with physical attacks. And recommend the usage of magic.

Van even says it himself in the daybreak tutorial "As a rule of thumb, enemies resistant to physical attacks are usually pretty weak to arts."

And they don't just mean jelly enemies like Drome's which you can just argue physical resistance because they are Jelly. Rean in cold steel 2 finds rock enemies he concludes using his sword on wouldn't be super effective. So he defaults to Arts.

this is basically a more "how Trails powers would interact with other verses" than something relevant to its own verse. Since it has magic defense.

 

[Endswriting]

I think you could make a solid argument for it since most arts also do a lot of crazy stuff hax wise too. Depends how much we wanna push for it

 

[Jesterofgames]

I think you could make a solid argument for it since most arts also do a lot of crazy stuff hax wise too. Depends how much we wanna push for it

Obviously you could argue it with the arts that are described as hitting the soul, or ripping apart space/time. But I mean ALL arts and magic here. Even normal stuff like fire bolt.

Magic in other vereses like Fire emblem or Final fantasy are considered to have Dura negating properties because they've been described or shown as, being able to harm Foes who are physically durable more then physical attacks. And Magic defense being a different stat then normal defense.

The same applies here, Magic defense and physical defense are described as different (See Van's statment), and there are different buffs/debuffs for Physical and magical damage.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

2-C or nothing, push the agenda boys, 1-C is the goal

 

[Endswriting]

I think L1C is very plausible. Bare minimum we have 2A since the Demiogorus & the world of zero is an EASY 2A.
We’d just need to make an argument for those infinite possibilities / worlds having infinite timelines like the main one

 

[Endswriting]

But I agree, we can definitely make arguments for it.