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Could you elaborate on this?
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OPM Saitama and Limiter additions
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The issue is that the "limiter" dosen't meet the requirements for Power nullification, and is somewhere in between the 2 powers. So if we had to choose, I think the
"Statistic sealing" would be the closest, we just need to add a fitting phrasing, instead of changing the ability (Since there is no perfect fitting ability)
So would this be better?
The description can be improved.
Note - You could make the same argument for power nullification that it only affects abilities, and it has an even bigger issue, it completely nullifies it, not "limits" it.
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Garou while fighting Rover, overcame Death and became capable of resisting his heat energy attacks that were originally capable of kill him and Orochi's fire beams, He gained the ability to resist psychic ability which we can see is based on Limiter as the flow we see on Garou indicates him breaking a wall of his limiter. At the end of the battle, he evolved again and gained to ability to regenerate via absorbing black matter, an ability he needed at that moment as Orochi had stabbed a hole in him there.
Phoenix Man who overcame death had gained a level of strength massive compared to before and gained abilities that is beyond physical ability. Which Phoenix Man also comments on how Gyoro was right about the affect of overcoming death in Limiter when he overcomes death.
There should be more as well, gonna check it.
There might be an ability that fits it. Waiting a mod's opinion on this one should be fine
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True, just think it needs to be highlighted a bit.
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Do we have any evidence Saitama purposely hit it through sheer accuracy and that he didn't just jump in the same direction that Boros sent him? You don't really need super accuracy to jump in a straight line when you know exactly which way to go
Yeah like I said in the previous thread, this seems to be because Saitama was scaring him with his strength. He's already weakened facing someone who can do stuff PM considered impossible and says "what's with this pressure". Also Saitama is blatantly not a soul. Just because he can corrupt souls by directly touching them doesn't mean he can corrupt souls by touching your physical body.
So I don't think this warrants SM resistance.
I THINK this should br limited gravity manipulation and spatial manipulation, not spacetime manip resistance. Basically exactly what Garou has for the same feat.
Saitama and Garou don't actually resist the effects of gravity, they're simply stronger than the force. Same way humans don't have gravity manip resistance for surviving the gravity of earth.
What he does resist is the subatomic spaghettification that black holes cause.
Is there any evidence that's Saitamas spirit and not Saitama himself? Also just because he "shouldn't be able to" doesn't mean it's automatically power null. Especially when this is an incorporeal/spiritual space. Iirc he even speculated Saitama might be a costume wearer as well (but I'm too lazy to check the manga to verify ngl)
It's much more likely he shouldn't be able to do that because he shouldn't be able to interact with the spiritual realm rather than because it's some unmentioned power null.
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it is the center of the black hole where space-time is distorted and distance loses it's meaning as every direction goes to the same place etc. making it impossible to leave. Garou survived inside the black hole as well which is enough for resistance to Space-Time manipulation.
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I don’t think I've seen any character very spacetime manipulation/resistance for black holes. Garou himself only has spatial manip. Black hole creation only states this about it
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I've always found this strange on the profile.
But it's also a bit strange that the wiki handles it this way. I don't think there's any official rule about it.
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Garou was at the center of the black hole, if he resisted purely because he was strong, then he would have to have infinite LS.
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By that logic anyone who can run at FTL speeds just because they're fast should also have infinite stats but the wiki doesn't treat it that way.
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I just checked the Black Hole page, and it seems that the wiki considers surviving the center of a black hole only as black hole resistance. They don't even consider LS or durability, but rather resistance.
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It is accepted as resistance in most cases, since resisting it via durability gives infinite durability to characters and requires more proof.
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I don't think he was that careful or anything, also he changed his direction and location etc. so it's more of him rather than doing the exact opposite of what happened.
Also even then it requires extreme accuracy as if it was different even a little, the location he'd end up would be way different.
I've seen profiles like that, and the reasoning made sense to me, so i wrote it :d
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Resistance to what? Black hole pages specifically says to black holes and profiles I see mostly talk about subatomic matter shenanigans. So I'm not really sure what's the correct option
Again so does running at FTL speeds. The thing is that surviving a black hole doesn't prove you're resistant to abilities that manipulate your gravity nor are you resistant to the force of gravity itself
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7th should be possibly? do you mean only for spirit? or both body and spirit?
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Statistic Reduction makes no sense since limiters aren't reducing anything.
Statistic Sealing makes more sense, but would imply that only stats are being sealed when it's not. Breaking your limiter allows you evolve and gain abilities as well. I'm also not sure if you can "seal" away potential, which is basically what limiters do. "Stats sealing" sounds more like sealing away already established amps(eg. awakening breath) rather than growth potential
Power Nullification makes more sense because it's nullifying/restricting reactive evolution and accelerated development, preventing individuals from growing indefinitely or gaining new abilities.
You should add limited attack reflection for Saitama's head and a note about things, even sticky/gooey slipping when they touch it due to it's baldness.
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Yeah, i've seen it too after checking the abilities as well.
Lmao i should have thought of that D:
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Just want to reiterate since there seems to be a lot of people agreeing with @TheRustyOne here, and it would suck for misinformation to make this go unaccepted. His comment has nothing to do with what is being proposed. The dura neg and shockwave resistance comes from Saitama surviving Whirlwind Cutting Iron Fist and Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist from Cosmic Garou, who's at least 4-A. So the whole High 6-A vs 4-A argument isn't even relevant here.
Now, as for why it is dura neg resistance rather than him having internal durability to tank 4-A dura neg, is because he was damaged by an early awakened Cosmic Garou(just going by what's accepted) who we accept as being 144x weaker than Saitama's durability at the time. So logically speaking, when Garou copies Saitama at full power and hits him with multiple dura neg attacks that spread throughout the body, Saitama should have been affected.
Now, as for why it is dura neg resistance rather than him having internal durability to tank 4-A dura neg, is because he was damaged by an early awakened Cosmic Garou(just going by what's accepted) who we accept as being 144x weaker than Saitama's durability at the time. So logically speaking, when Garou copies Saitama at full power and hits him with multiple dura neg attacks that spread throughout the body, Saitama should have been affected.
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Bump.
There should be no problem with resistance to durability negation here, their power level is similar here which makes "his insides are durable" meaningless. He's simply not affected by it.
There should be no problem with resistance to durability negation here, their power level is similar here which makes "his insides are durable" meaningless. He's simply not affected by it.
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What makes number 2 skeptical though?
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Saitama:
Superhuman Precision (Was capable of jumping from Moon to Earth, to the exact location he was before perfectly)
Resistance to Emphatic Manipulation, Poison Manipulation (Defeated Three-Eyed-Ghost who's poisonous aura makes people's consciousness dazed and causes people to attempt suicide)
Possibly Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Corruption (Phoenix Man who can corrupt souls believed getting his hands on Saitama would be dangerous in his own spiritual space.)
Resistance to Gravity Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation (Above Garou who can survive at the center of a Black Hole. Garou, who's capable of seeing the depths of Saitama's ability, believed the only way for him to win was to copy Saitama's full power, even though he's capable of creating a black hole.)
Willpower&Limiter :
To only Limiter section:
Possibly Resistance to Power Nullification (Body,Spirit; Limiter limits the user's growth and the abilities they gain both physically and spritually as Saitama's spirit was capable of doing things it shouldn't be able to)
To both Limiter and Willpower:
Changing Accelerated Development to Reactive Evolution for both.
Limiter RE: (Breaking the limiter removes the cap on their growth, allowing them to continuously grow forever, gaining new abilities and resistances in the process)
Willpower RE: (Those with abnormally strong willpower can experience explosive boosts of strength by overcoming death or going through an upsurge of emotion, evolving to a higher stage that cause them to gain new abilities and resistances for the situation)
I wasn't sure how to word it, it can be better in my opinion but couldn't do it .d
Ninjas:
Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Gale wind and Hellfire's corpses were capable of surviving a gigavolt of electricity and seemingly didn't suffer any damage while every other corpse exploded.)
Is it fine like this?
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This okay. Yeah.
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Can you guys share why?
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Same.
It was accepted but removed later since Garou was High 6-A while Saitama was at multi solar level. And his organs were durable like his body.
Not in this case though where they are on similar level yet he resists it.
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Saitama internal organs are just that durable too so I don't think it should be considered resistance, though, I am neutral over it since not sure.
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Yes, but like I said here, Saitama took damage from a 144x weaker attack, which we have written on the profiles. Yet he took no damage against a Garou's dura neg attacks when he was equal to Saitama.
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Uh... so he was damaged. Fine then.
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That statement was used for Garou when he was High 6-A and Saitama was 4-A. Garou was too weak to damage him even normally.
This Garou is comparable to Saitama who's shown to damage him as well and yet Saitama tanks this attack.
I think it'd be a resistance in this situation. I'll check it with a knowledgeable member of opm thread if i can though
This Garou is comparable to Saitama who's shown to damage him as well and yet Saitama tanks this attack.
I think it'd be a resistance in this situation. I'll check it with a knowledgeable member of opm thread if i can though
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Forgot about Cosmic Garou. That should actually be alright. Even if someone says Saitama's organs are as strong as himself, that's still an unconventional resistance.
Question, where does Bomb's Dura Negation come from? Can anyone provide a chapter?
Question, where does Bomb's Dura Negation come from? Can anyone provide a chapter?
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OMG i actually can't find it, maybe it doesn't exist? who even added it based on what lmao.
Though Garou used Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist against Saitama in the same version which has multiple statement of negating durability via shockwaves. It should be fine regardless
So resistance to Durability Negation still works
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Garou using Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist (which is Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist in one hand and Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist in the other) was able to bypass Darkshine's external durability. It's in the beginning of chapter 133.
For reference, Garou later clashed directly with Bomb, matching his Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist. Considering that, along with Bomb being the master of the art style, his proficiency with the technique should be at least on par with the version that injured Darkshine.
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It was added by the user Tetsucabrah without linking any CRT. I cannot find one either. It would be best to ask them if they're still around.
However, Roaring Aura Sky Ripping Fist does have the internal dura negation stuff. So yeah, I agree with resistance since even Cosmic Garou couldn't hurt his internals.
Bomb's dura negation should be discussed in another thread, as while I find the suspect, it'd be derailing this thread.
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Do you guys agree resistance to with Durability negation?
