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DC Comics Crisis Cosmology Scaling

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Which, if any, staff members have agreed with that? It seems far too inconsistent as a regular statistic for Superman. 🙏
 
Just to be clear, I did agree with the speed feat. All I said was what @Entity just had a more favorable view amongst the other though I do agree there needs to be more feats alongside it for consistency.

As for 1-A Superman, we could squeeze some wiggle room about his nature then again intrinsically he is just on the level of the lower plane.
 
So which staff members have currently agreed with what in this thread, and what do we currently need to do here? 🙏
 
It probably needs another thread but the thread itself kind of remarks that as entirely on-topic:
This thread is for those who scale to the current Crisis Cosmology who haven't been dealt with.
Please provide Scans and/or References (preferably both though) so people can fact check your claims to see if the context backs up them scaling to that level.
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So the discussion is still technically within the rules.

I don't know about you, but:
  • Superman scales to Crisis Cosmology and is part of its continuity.
  • Scaling to certain levels of Crisis Cosmology which has 1-A parts.
  • This thread is to “fact-check.”
I don't like semantics as much as the next person, but it's within the rules of this thread.

I'm a reasonable, however, right @Antvasima
 
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Antvasima said:
I personally think that 1-A Superman seems extremely exaggerated and inconsistent. 🙏
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I agree, exception is if it's either for a specific specialized key that uses "Outside help" or a better reason like that. Or if it's a specific version.

I'm guessing it's being proposed for while he is in the 6th Dimension? I know there are rearranges to what realms or planes are higher than others, but I recall 6th Dimension is that everyone who gets amped by Mr Mxyzptlk and teleported there essentially becomes that tier, even Batman. But I think we decided to avoid giving keys like that, save for those native to said planes of existences, and instead make it a range feat and/or give a note that Mxyzptlk has the ability to amplify characters to said level.
 
I think that any agreed upon scaling should be listed in the OP once it is accepted
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
It wouldn't apply to his base and we need to see the argument first. We can't just dismiss things without a proper discussion no matter how it looks.
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Do just what we do with Superman and other DC/Marvel profiles.

Keep the Varies, with 1-A be his new peak, while Low 5-B/3-C to 2-C are his new regular power levels.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I agree, exception is if it's either for a specific specialized key that uses "Outside help" or a better reason like that. Or if it's a specific version.

I'm guessing it's being proposed for while he is in the 6th Dimension? I know there are rearranges to what realms or planes are higher than others, but I recall 6th Dimension is that everyone who gets amped by Mr Mxyzptlk and teleported there essentially becomes that tier, even Batman. But I think we decided to avoid giving keys like that, save for those native to said planes of existences, and instead make it a range feat and/or give a note that Mxyzptlk has the ability to amplify characters to said level.
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Agreed. 🙏
 
Without risk of further derailment, I do want to comment that I think "1-A Superman" is a valid extension of the "Story of Superman" concept DC has engrained into their cosmological foundation and it honestly deserves to be its own page or at least a note on Superman's explaining why he's capable of such feats - even when they're contrived plot points like Batman aligning suns for him.

Maybe a thematic section for Superman could be added, much like we do with Thor, which I think is a good idea for characters with rather large histories. We are first and foremost an indexing wiki and Superman does hold a special narrative position worth acknowledging in some form.

But further discussions on this belong in its own thread.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Without risk of further derailment, I do want to comment that I think "1-A Superman" is a valid extension of the "Story of Superman" concept DC has engrained into their cosmological foundation and it honestly deserves to be its own page or at least a note on Superman's explaining why he's capable of such feats - even when they're contrived plot points like Batman aligning suns for him.
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It’s not a power to be had. So, no.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
It wouldn't apply to his base and we need to see the argument first. We can't just dismiss things without a proper discussion no matter how it looks.
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Superman can't be 1-A in his baseline

but he can reach 1-A level with Batman Amp, But this need a lot conversation.
 
Antvasima said:
I personally think that 1-A Superman seems extremely exaggerated and inconsistent. 🙏
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Poor guy finally gets his 1-A to High 1-A crisis cosmology back and he STILL can't scale to it. Goku's gonna get Baseline 1-A before him at this point

Jokes aside, i'd be fine with doing what we do with Hulk or Thor and giving a possibly1-A tier for his high ends, with the Batman Amp I see being pretty clear cut if we decide to add it.
 
Honestly, I don't think full 1-A is good but not at all mentioning that, or at the very least Low 1-A is also such a distaste. Either “possibly” or “unlikely” 1-A is fine by me or “possibly/likely” for Low 1-A.
 
We already accept the WF feat as being valid, it's just an outlier.
Jared1111 said:
Poor guy finally gets his 1-A to High 1-A crisis cosmology back and he STILL can't scale to it. Goku's gonna get Baseline 1-A before him at this point

Jokes aside, i'd be fine with doing what we do with Hulk or Thor and giving a possibly1-A tier for his high ends, with the Batman Amp I see being pretty clear cut if we decide to add it.
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  • We do not consider Superman's ability to harm The World Forger after an unknown number of sun dips to be an outlier. However given that the power-up in question required so extremely situational circumstances, with Superman first being elevated to a higher level of existence and then supercharged on top of that, the statistics for it are not listed in this profile page, due to our rules regarding such situational and temporary amplifications listed here.
 
I agree, understandable if we aren't giving him 1-A base since its pretty inconsistent, but I definitely think with High Ends and Amps he should comfortably have at least a Low 1-A to 1-A rating.
 
But it was a one-time occurrence mainly made possible due to Mxyzptlk elevating Superman to a higher state of existence rather than due to the latter's own power alone. 🙏
 
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Superman even survived in the sixth dimension, and beat the World Forger with an amp.

I think 1-A makes sense.
We can save Superman other feats for another thread.
 
Again, he was boosted from 2-C to 1-A by Mister Mxyzptlk, an entirely different character, and then further boosted to match the World Forger via a lot of sun-dips. It doesn't make any logical sense to list it as an intrinsically accessible power level. 🙏
 
We can't count it as feats?

Because even Wonder Woman had access to the temporary Anti-Crisis form, yet her feats were still counted.
 
Yes, but that was her own innate power at the time, not something very briefly artificially caused by another character. It would be misleading to include it. 🙏
 
Hayato5652 said:
We can't count it as feats?

Because even Wonder Woman had access to the temporary Anti-Crisis form, yet her feats were still counted.
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Again, we already acknowledge the feat on Superman's profile as a valid tier 1 feat and not an outlier, however, it was deemed too situational and not noteworthy enough (doesn't appear for more than 6(?) chapters) to index as a key or higher end for his scaling.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Again, we already acknowledge the feat on Superman's profile as a valid tier 1 feat and not an outlier, however, it was deemed too situational and not noteworthy enough (doesn't appear for more than 6(?) chapters) to index as a key or higher end for his scaling.
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I think there was a misunderstanding and I didn’t express myself clearly. I actually completely agreed with what you said, but I spoke ambiguously.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Again, we already acknowledge the feat on Superman's profile as a valid tier 1 feat and not an outlier, however, it was deemed too situational and not noteworthy enough (doesn't appear for more than 6(?) chapters) to index as a key or higher end for his scaling.
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How about a key or a mention for the amp Mxy gave him ? He states he has been infusing supes with 5th dimensional energy over the years, implying supes already had access to this power for some time. Or does this also break the rules ?
 
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