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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

@MetaChronos i cant understand what you are saying but for the parallel timelines to be higher dimensional they need to be hypertimelines by themselves which they aren't so they are simply 2A
I was stating the cycle of time. How it was MWI with how quantum particles exist in tensura and how space is full of possibilities, this satisfies for full blown MWI theory. the MWI theory I read online which connected to scaling made a lot of sense. I’ll post the full thing if necessary but the main part look below.
 
But what about the Hilbert space? Everett indeed stated that universal wavefunction is an element in Hilbert space. Tegmark goes on to state in a more clear manner that the wavefunction corresponds to a point within Hilbert space. But here is the thing, the universes of MWI are technically not from the Hilbert space, but the universal wavefunction. There is only one universal wavefunction, which is responsible for all branches. A character destroying/creating a multiverse that works off of MWI would be just a Low 1-C feat since they would only be affecting the universal wavefunction. In addition, the Hilbert space is not real, it's viewed as abstract. It's no wonder that Everett states that the physical entity is the wavefunction. The Hilbert space is just an abstract/mathematical representation used to describe the possible quantum states. While the wavefunction is said to "live" or "reside" within Hilbert space, this is used in a metaphorical sense. The Hilbert space is not considered as literally existing.



As such, a verse should only qualify for High 1-B through MWI if:

  1. The Hilbert space is proven to exist.
  2. The character has feats of affecting the Hilbert space instead of just the collection of universes from the wavefunction.


In the case of a verse not name-dropping MWI in any way, the most sensible option is to go with how the verse portrays the parallel worlds and the branchings. However, it can still be considered Low 1-C if the verse meets one of the following requirements:

  1. Statements of a universal wavefunction.
  2. Statements that the wavefunction never collapses.
  3. The universe constantly splitting for every quantum event/quantum moment.
 
I was stating the cycle of time. How it was MWI with how quantum particles exist in tensura and how space is full of possibilities, this satisfies for full blown MWI theory. the MWI theory I read online which connected to scaling made a lot of sense. I’ll post the full thing if necessary but the main part look below.
Astral already argued that on other websites I believe
 
Am still lost,@MetaChronos ,i.also dont thnk what you saying exists in the verse except maybe the universal wavefunction that might relate to the world lines
@CodeCCL,@Lycoris4812 is the low 1c going to vanish
It does exist, it’s in bits and pieces, but I’ll send the full details with an astral’s scaling. I just wanted to send the whole scaling with links here but his links are not working at the moment. I have a few but need to search for the rest. I’ll get them soon and send after a little bit.
 
does exist, it’s in bits and pieces, but I’ll send the full details with an astral’s scaling. I just wanted to send the whole scaling with links here but his links are not working at the moment. I have a few but need to search for the rest. I’ll get them soon and send after a little bit.
The problem is that high 1b means infinite higher dimensions which obviously dont exist in the verse,
 
The problem is that high 1b means infinite higher dimensions which obviously dont exist in the verse,
According to MWI we can scale it to that. MWI is an unexplored concept when paired with the laws of space and quantum laws that we have in our world. That’s why I sent the theory up there. It made a lot of sense and there were restrictions like there should be a clear scan for it to be proven otherwise it is just 2A or low 1C at best.
 
According to MWI we can scale it to that. MWI is an unexplored concept when paired with the laws of space and quantum laws that we have in our world. That’s why I sent the theory up there. It made a lot of sense and there were restrictions like there should be a clear scan for it to be proven otherwise it is just 2A or low 1C at best.
you are seriously misunderstanding how MWI works in terms of Hilbert space
and is misunderstanding how Non collapsing wave function for every quantum state works

you would need a prove that the Hilbert space is defined as infinite-dimensional and not just finite
furthermore quantum states branching is not something discussed nor talked about in the verse. which is what you'll need to qualify

You can't just slap a random theory in reality into fiction and assume it is factual to that fiction without it being elaborated and explained within the series.
 
According to MWI we can scale it to that. MWI is an unexplored concept when paired with the laws of space and quantum laws that we have in our world. That’s why I sent the theory up there. It made a lot of sense and there were restrictions like there should be a clear scan for it to be proven otherwise it is just 2A or low 1C at best.
I still dont think so ,a quick investigation tells me you will need statements like timelines branch at every moment in time ,and even more branching at every moment of those branching timelines and so on till you reach infinity ,which means at every set of branching timelines you have a larger unaccountable infinity as compared to the previous one
Something that isn't present in the verse
 
you are seriously misunderstanding how MWI works in terms of Hilbert space
and is misunderstanding how Non collapsing wave function for every quantum state works

you would need a prove that the Hilbert space is defined as infinite-dimensional and not just finite
Agreed, and that’s why my scaling logic is true. If a verse neither states nor implies an infinite-dimensional structure like a Hilbert space, then it shouldn't scale to High 1-B. That’s why I specified two conditions: (1) the Hilbert space is portrayed as real, and (2) it’s infinite-dimensional or hosts a transfinite layering. Without that, we're still in Low 1-C territory. The theory stated is in the thread above, once check that. I’m pretty sure there is nothing wrong with the theory.
furthermore quantum states branching is not something discussed nor talked about in the verse. which is what you'll need to qualify
Yes I’ll send the scans for it later.
You can't just slap a random theory in reality into fiction and assume it is factual to that fiction without it being elaborated and explained within the series.
But that’s how we scale anything. The multiverse theory that is used to scale to 2A., that’s real world theory. The infinite timeline theory we use, it is also a real world theory. I mean in scaling almost everything is a real world theory. And the MWI is a theory which is not well known but sometimes it is used to scale verses.

Please see the theory I sent above once, it explains why it works for 1B and what conditions are required for it to have that.
 
Probably. Tho with or without astral translation it would have been the same. We going straight for 1-A if it does
Sounds good, but I’m still worried that the staff will continue to ignore our CRT for Vers, and it’s starting to wear me down. The 1A and higher threads in the past haven’t gone very well either, and it’s honestly making me want to give up
 
Do we need more supporters or staff? Some verses have 2–3 staff supporters, and almost every CRT gets accepted automatically — they even manage to downgrade enemy verses too
 
Supergenius (Ciel have greater understanding and control over the system that manages the world, it was noted that it is impossible for anyone else except Veldanava who himself created the system that govern providence of the world)

If anyone can find out which volumes and chapters these scans are from, it would be appreciated.
 
The volume 15 seems to come from Slimereader.

The scans don't change much from the otl though
So Velgrynd thought. The sheer volume of mind-blowing data had made herabandon thinking at one point, but now she thought as long as time allowed herto. Then she arrived at the most important fact of all. How did she gain herfreedom against the system her brother created? That was the question, andthere was only one person she could think of who could’ve made that happen.Yes—that easy-going slime. The demon lord Rimuru, her foolish brother’s ally…
volume 15 Epilogue (OTL)

Only my brother Veldanava could do anything so outlandish. If it were possiblefor anyone else at all…
Volume 15 epilogue otl
 
The Raphael scan also comes from Slime reader, but again, it doesn't change much but the wording.

Raphael, Lord of Wisdom (ultimate skill): A support-oriented ability suited for administrating the laws governing the world.
Volume 18 Chapter (otl)
 
From vol 20 slimereader
It is a fact that it is not easy to acquire. And yet you changed it so easily? Is that possible?
Or rather, just who could do such a thing…
Zalario was horrified at the thought of it. The Ultimate Skill was a system made by the
creator Veldanava to manage the world. It could be used as a substitute for the administrator’s
authority, but with a more specialized and convenient authority, it could be used as if one were
a god. Under certain conditions, it was even possible to resuscitate the dead.
 
Do we need more supporters or staff?
Anyone interested in becoming a supporter, staff or not, can already find this thread. What if you focused on improving yourself instead of waiting for help from others?
Some verses have 2–3 staff supporters, and almost every CRT gets accepted automatically
If someones is making good CRTs I see no problem with their CRTs being accept quickly.
— they even manage to downgrade enemy verses too
If someones is truly hostile to the verse itself and this is the best they can capable do, they must be truly pathetic. It is not normal for them to think that being strong today does not mean they will be strong tomorrow, and that their hostile behavior will have no consequences.

On the other hand, I have no any problem with someone make good downgrades in a non-hostile manner. It just gives me time to spend on upgrades hence it is appreciated.

Please mind your own business.
 
If someones is truly hostile to the verse itself and this is the best they can capable do, they must be truly pathetic. It is not normal for them to think that being strong today does not mean they will be strong tomorrow, and that their hostile behavior will have no consequences.

On the other hand, I have no any problem with someone make good downgrades in a non-hostile manner. It just gives me time to spend on upgrades hence it is appreciated.
Do we need more supporters or staff? Some verses have 2–3 staff supporters, and almost every CRT gets accepted automatically — they even manage to downgrade enemy verses too
There used to be a time when even 10 staff memers weren't enough to conclude a single CRT, with a verse that only had opponents and no supporters as staffs, imagine how I managed to still keep the verse ratings up which no one else could for around 3 years. As long as you know you're right and can convince others, you'll be fine. Even if five people are blind to it, there will still be five others who aren't and can see the truth. From my experience, I'd say that being polite in debates, staying honest, assuming the worst-case scenario, and figuring out what would still hold true no matter how much someone tries to deny the facts and using that truth to uphold your arguments is the key. Don't lose hope.
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Honestly, I think the OTL should only be used as secondary evidence rather than primary evidence. YenPress is notorious from how much they get wrong despite being a company that translates stuff. like when post-direwolf rimuru had light speed black lightning or Yenpress interpreting subspace as a planet that Velgrynd was traveling on. It is so prevalent that the fandom wiki has a mistranslations page (Not all but some). https://tensura.fandom.com/wiki/Mistranslations and this thread back in 2021 about their worst mistranslations lol https://vsbattles.com/threads/worst-translations-published-by-yen-press.117461/
 
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Honestly, I think the OTL should only be used as secondary evidence rather than primary evidence. YenPress is notorious from how much they get wrong despite being a company that translates stuff. like when post-direwolf rimuru had light speed black lightning or Yenpress interpreting subspace as a planet that she was traveling on. It is so prevalent that the fandom wiki has a mistranslations page (Not all but some). https://tensura.fandom.com/wiki/Mistranslations and this thread back in 2021 about their worst mistranslations lol https://vsbattles.com/threads/worst-translations-published-by-yen-press.117461/
That's kinda cases by case when comes to translations. Depends on various things.
 
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