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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

So guys I just wanted to know if this is a possibility. Chloe’s skill evolved from king of space and time yog sothoth to god of space and time yog sothoth. It’s just a massive upgrade simply put.
Now can rimuru’s harvest king shub-niggurath evolve into god of harvest shub-niggurath? This is possible in volume 23 I think.
Evolving a skill into a God Series has no known advantage. Unless the skill is specifically tweaked during evolution, obtaining the title of 'God' doesn't add anything significant. Chloe's skill didn't become any stronger after evolving.

Rimuru's Shub-Niggurath, is already powerful as it is. However, if Fuse continues with unnecessary power creep by giving Rimuru Stardust, Velzard's factor, and Ivarage, it could potentially evolve into Akashic Records or a God Series like Azathoth.
 
Evolving a skill into a God Series has no known advantage. Unless the skill is specifically tweaked during evolution, obtaining the title of 'God' doesn't add anything significant. Chloe's skill didn't become any stronger after evolving.

Rimuru's Shub-Niggurath, is already powerful as it is. However, if Fuse continues with unnecessary power creep by giving Rimuru Stardust, Velzard's factor, and Ivarage, it could potentially evolve into Akashic Records or a God Series like Azathoth.
The thing is, it is mentioned that this skill is basically Chloe using king of space and time perfectly. After the ability awakens it becomes the god series. We can infer that awakening could mean evolving or at least a power boost because perfect use. They also mention later that this ability cost no energy. If this counts for rimuru’s harvest king as well it has the potential to surpass Akashi’s records.

Right now the most broken ability to copy is between Lucifer by guy and rimuru shun niggurath, and right now Lucifer is better. But if rimuru can analyze and merge king of harvest with Lucifer he can create god of harvest which could surpass akashic records. Like looking at an ability once or hearing how it works he can copy the ability or some random power like that. Just a prediction but possible with how overpowered fuse made rimuru.
 
I'll also add that since rimuru has the full power drago nova stored in him waiting for analysis which was boosted by stampede, i would say it is possible for him to now analyze it and learn lord of wrath Santanael. If fuse continues with this power creep, also minute, there is a possibility for him to learn god of space and time yog sothoth as well. Lucifer, for some reason i think rimuru WILL learn this in the next volume, some random nonsense will happen and he will have the ability, or his harvest king evolves directly surpassing that of lucifer. The other deadly sins abilities, rimuru has all the other abilities other than leviathan, asmodeus, lucifer, and santanel.

Which as i said before he is likely to get santanael, so only the three which are Lucifer, Asmodeus, and Leviathan. If rimuru can get these abilities as well he will have every single ability which is useful for him in the series. lucifer for analysis, asmodeus for durability and leviathan is just a worse version of void god azathoth or possibly his imaginary space anyways. I don't know that much about leviathan.

I mean there are a few Deamon type skills he needs to get, but at this point if he gets those skills as well he will just be like too many skills. He already has every angel type skill, 3/7 deadly sins skills. all 7 virtue type skills. The only things he is missing are the ones mentioned above. All these are the strongest skills created by veldanava.

The god series might also be created by him but i don't remember reading it. The god series could be the strongest skills of them all though. The mix of all the strongest skills is the god series an example is void god azathoth. A mix of one of the 7 deadly sins and virtue and many more other US.
 
No shade, but are the staff feeling a bit overwhelmed with this verse? It seems like every CRT related to Tensura takes a long time to get updated and sometimes even gets abandoned. Is it just because there are too many CRTs for this verse? I get that the staff have a lot on their plate, but some other CRTs get accepted in less than 24 hours. Not that I’m trying to force the staff to rush or anythin🙏🏻

Edit: except downgrade thread
 
Is it just because there are too many CRTs for this verse?
Not currently.
I get that the staff have a lot on their plate,
I guess, though we still get ignored rn.
but some other CRTs get accepted in less than 24 hours.
Just see who is accepting those crt, it's always the same 3/4 staff.
except downgrade thread
Cause in that case other verse supporter staff get involved.
 
Bfr if someone make a match rimuru vs DBH character with unequal speed that means it’s stomp match for DBH because they got immeasurable speed and Rimuru just like freeze in time?
 
And I think it is just physical speed they reduced, even if we go by that he still has his reaction speed and his abilities
Yeah. So at worst is an incon
We can count his instantaneous motion ability which is stated to literally control distance in combat. His attacks basically never miss. His reaction speed was not edited and with info particles and ciel he should still easily body the dbh verse
 
And I think it is just physical speed they reduced, even if we go by that he still has his reaction speed and his abilities

We can count his instantaneous motion ability which is stated to literally control distance in combat. His attacks basically never miss. His reaction speed was not edited and with info particles and ciel he should still easily body the dbh verse
we have to wait for 3 months to bring back immeasurable speed? Or we play a f*** my baby’s daddy song by sexy red for astral
 
i have a question. if void is something that can cover the major difference in existence values between feldway and diablo, does that mean it is beyond the concept of existence values or just that it is that powerful that even if you are exponentially stronger it can cover the gap with its wide range of abilities.
 
i have a question. if void is something that can cover the major difference in existence values between feldway and diablo, does that mean it is beyond the concept of existence values or just that it is that powerful that even if you are exponentially stronger it can cover the gap with its wide range of abilities.
First of all:
Just because A exist in verse we can't say that the concept of A exist.

We don't have a new count of Rimuru EV so we don't really know how nihillity works with them. Still it's energy so i guess that it will just increase the value busting Diablo general strength
 
We don't have a new count of Rimuru EV so we don't really know how nihillity works with them. Still it's energy so i guess that it will just increase the value busting Diablo general strength
So it is not the concept part but just improves stats in general that it can cover the difference in major existence values. Thanks for the clarification.
 
First of all:
Just because A exist in verse we can't say that the concept of A exist.

We don't have a new count of Rimuru EV so we don't really know how nihillity works with them. Still it's energy so i guess that it will just increase the value busting Diablo general strength
While it is energy since it even more « pure » than hells abyss voids that already devour all existence/matter (spiritual or physical one, down to even information itself)

Turn null measurements is actually completely unknown until clarification.

Even nihilistic banish/nihilistic parade are mere « imitations » of hells abyss environment while testarossa abilities truly tap into the void of hell.

The void isn’t just negative energy, it has a negative existence value effect but can remain in the world without devouring it, only chosen targets will interact with it.

Wich is clear implication of the difference between voids and voids effect to the world.

(after removing the white world when using turn null due to it being limited to some amount, she in not as durable as Zegion, so it implies she start to tap into hells void again)

testa covered velzard body with voids and the void was only meant to devour twilight information particles regeneration signals constantly to allow guy to fight velzard properly.
https://imgur.com/a/8ZX0f6v
Despite that the mere action to rise her powers resulted in her blowing of the void of testa forcing here to adjust it, knowing that she was successfully making it harmless for anything other than twilight.

Taht and the many time true dragon level character successfully « killed off » or « drowned voids »

It is important to note that all of teast white world is void, and cover the whole region, while obviously not destroying it, and using the void as some sort of ultimate detection technique.

So there is a clear difference between voids and voids effect, and turn null predates them and don’t seem to be saturated by character that have the possibility of « erasing the void » literally devouring them disregarding the difference in existence value.

Like when Zegion injected in inside Zelanus body wash he was enable to erase it despite being superior to true dragon in term of existence, when void you summon is supposedly limited to your own power/energy.
 
i have a question. if void is something that can cover the major difference in existence values between feldway and diablo, does that mean it is beyond the concept of existence values or just that it is that powerful that even if you are exponentially stronger it can cover the gap with its wide range of abilities.
The void from Nihility collapse is not beyond the concept of existence value. Even though it’s incredibly powerful, it still operates within the framework of existence value due to the users so far, it can be used to manipulate or enhance it rather than completely ignoring it. But I think the only way to use it to its fullest potential is if the user doesn’t experience any backlash from using it.
just that it is that powerful that even if you are exponentially stronger it can cover the gap with its wide range of abilities.
Without Rimuru’s cells for regeneration, Diablo couldn’t even trade blows equally with Feldway and would have been defeated if Feldway locked tf in or by self destructing. After getting Rimuru’s cells, his output increased, allowing him to overpower Feldway. This means that the effectiveness of Void mostly depends on the durability of the user. If you’re not durable enough to withstand the strain of using enough Void energy to equalize the gap between you and your opponent, you can’t win. And since battles between transcendents depend on who can retain the most energy while reducing that of their opponent, if you can do that when using void, you win.
 
While it is energy since it even more « pure » than hells abyss voids that already devour all existence/matter (spiritual or physical one, down to even information itself)

Turn null measurements is actually completely unknown until clarification.

Even nihilistic banish/nihilistic parade are mere « imitations » of hells abyss environment while testarossa abilities truly tap into the void of hell.

The void isn’t just negative energy, it has a negative existence value effect but can remain in the world without devouring it, only chosen targets will interact with it.

Wich is clear implication of the difference between voids and voids effect to the world.

(after removing the white world when using turn null due to it being limited to some amount, she in not as durable as Zegion, so it implies she start to tap into hells void again)

testa covered velzard body with voids and the void was only meant to devour twilight information particles regeneration signals constantly to allow guy to fight velzard properly.

Despite that the mere action to rise her powers resulted in her blowing of the void of testa forcing here to adjust it, knowing that she was successfully making it harmless for anything other than twilight.

Taht and the many time true dragon level character successfully « killed off » or « drowned voids »

It is important to note that all of teast white world is void, and cover the whole region, while obviously not destroying it, and using the void as some sort of ultimate detection technique.

So there is a clear difference between voids and voids effect, and turn null predates them and don’t seem to be saturated by character that have the possibility of « erasing the void » literally devouring them disregarding the difference in existence value.

Like when Zegion injected in inside Zelanus body wash he was enable to erase it despite being superior to true dragon in term of existence, when void you summon is supposedly limited to your own power/energy.

I agree with this. I think if its manipulation were exclusive to Rimuru alone, it would be much easier to understand, since it wll be a single person using it in such different ways. Although it’s mostly described as destructive energy, it has a unique effect that can alter certain parts of existence without necessarily destroying or consuming them
 
The void from Nihility collapse is not beyond the concept of existence value. Even though it’s incredibly powerful, it still operates within the framework of existence value due to the users so far, it can be used to manipulate or enhance it rather than completely ignoring it. But I think the only way to use it to its fullest potential is if the user doesn’t experience any backlash from using it.
I agree if we are talking about Diablo using the void it is still within the framework. Rimuru hadn’t even used its power in volume 21 or 22. Based on just feats, we can say that with sufficient power like Veldanava, who created the world meaning all concepts including the system of existence values, you can have that much control with void collapse.
 
What exactly is the issue with the verse at this point? We just need TL helper to help with translation checks on Astral’s scans, right? It shouldn’t affect the scaling or anything else, should it? Look like someone want the version get nuke so bad
 
That made me have questions too. Like after Veldanava created the worlds, did these derived worlds branch off from those and kept spawning and dying at random intervals? And the gap between dimensions seems to have no time or flows extremely slowly to the point that the life span of these worlds can be observed and could suggest that there might be a higher time dimension??
 
I think it’s same as other worlds/one of the worlds of the other world. Time flow is kinda weird/it doesn’t flow in that sphere that is mentioned as derived world. It’s also a place unrelated to the cardinal world. It’s said to just be far away from the base/cardinal world in terms of coordinates so nothing like a higher dimension. I think it’s just some other world.
 
In my opinion ,the gap between dimensions is obviously a higher dimensional time
Back in vol 15 ,there is this statement
At that time, she had left Rimuru and flew to a different world that transcended time. It was In an unknown crevice of another world where she safely reunited with her ‘Parallel Existence,’which had managed to escape Feldway
As you can see from above , it has been called an otherworld and in vol 22
Mai gave up, realizing that she couldn't deceive him. She changed her mind and looked around to
try to assess the situation. What she was able to understand was that Mai and the others were still
drifting in the gap between dimensions. Thanks to Yuuki's mysterious "barrier", "magic perception" was activated even in the other world
So this should be some sort of higher dimensional otherworld containing derived or other otherworlds (???) inside
 
In my opinion ,the gap between dimensions is obviously a higher dimensional time
Back in vol 15 ,there is this statement

As you can see from above , it has been called an otherworld and in vol 22

So this should be some sort of higher dimensional otherworld containing derived or other otherworlds (???) inside
It might be, the sub space/gap between dimensions contains the derived worlds. The specific derived world mentioned is just a world within subspace, that world is a universe mentioned in that part anyways. So the subspace itself contains universes. Subspace itself is a higher dimension and isn’t part of the infinite timelines part as it transcends time and is void of mostly all concepts. But the worlds within subspace can just be called other worlds.

Derived world is just like the other world, just inside the subspace. Subspace is a higher dimensional construct.
 
Alright, we need to speed stuff up. What is everyone working on? I know PrimeHydra64 is working on a Nihility Collapse page. And Code said he was going to do immeasurable speed stuff. That leaves a couple of important things left from Vol. 22. Notably, Rimurus HGR, Layered Nep, and Spiritron stuff. If nobody is working on those, I will begin to do so.
 
Alright, we need to speed stuff up. What is everyone working on? I know PrimeHydra64 is working on a Nihility Collapse page. And Code said he was going to do immeasurable speed stuff. That leaves a couple of important things left from Vol. 22. Notably, Rimurus HGR, Layered Nep, and Spiritron stuff. If nobody is working on those, I will begin to do so.
I am working on high godly
 
i want to know something. Why isn't the cycle of time scaled higher?

Cycle of time, there is an infinite timeline in tensura, chloe used time travel to travel to another timeline and she does this an infinite number of times. Time travel in tensura works in a way that you can't go back to a time where you exist, the world prevents this from happening.
But this is not just simple infinite times of travel becuase chloe's mask, which has been with her in each time travel, had time suppression of infinity (stated in Special Booklet, Story 4; Kuro and The Mask). the same infinity surpassed time itself and diablo's age. He existed before the creation of the cardinal world.

As for his full age; He existed before the Cardinal World; As we will discuss in the latter sections, the Cardinal World is a Hyper-timeline (World-line) spawning across all of the Cardinal Universes/Cycles. Thus, even a single moment in this cycle should amount to eternity. Considering Diablo has lived before it, his age can be assumed to be at least above baseline Eternity, and in context to that, if we take Eternity as a non-infinite number, then the Mask's age would be infinity.

Timelines are branching into more and more timelines constantly. So the number of timelines are far higher. This satisfies the many universe theory. Quantum particles exist in tensura and space is full of possibilities, so we can assume quantum MWI also exists due to the similarities.

I got some details from astral for this. But Quantum MWI can scale to high 1-B based on this i found online.

But what about the Hilbert space? Everett indeed stated that universal wavefunction is an element in Hilbert space. Tegmark goes on to state in a more clear manner that the wavefunction corresponds to a point within Hilbert space. But here is the thing, the universes of MWI are technically not from the Hilbert space, but the universal wavefunction. There is only one universal wavefunction, which is responsible for all branches. A character destroying/creating a multiverse that works off of MWI would be just a Low 1-C feat since they would only be affecting the universal wavefunction. In addition, the Hilbert space is not real, it's viewed as abstract. It's no wonder that Everett states that the physical entity is the wavefunction. The Hilbert space is just an abstract/mathematical representation used to describe the possible quantum states. While the wavefunction is said to "live" or "reside" within Hilbert space, this is used in a metaphorical sense. The Hilbert space is not considered as literally existing.



As such, a verse should only qualify for High 1-B through MWI if:

  1. The Hilbert space is proven to exist.
  2. The character has feats of affecting the Hilbert space instead of just the collection of universes from the wavefunction.


In the case of a verse not name-dropping MWI in any way, the most sensible option is to go with how the verse portrays the parallel worlds and the branchings. However, it can still be considered Low 1-C if the verse meets one of the following requirements:

  1. Statements of a universal wavefunction.
  2. Statements that the wavefunction never collapses.
  3. The universe constantly splitting for every quantum event/quantum moment.
 
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