Is the speed difference really that big? Feel like Flowey sorta does need the advantage considering he can't even see Mahito (At least initially) and is a fair bit weaker.
Curses become visible in "life or death situations" and in this case, Flowey will actually die, and come back.Then it's a mismatch because Flowey can't even see Mahito and Mahito incaps by killing flowey over and over again.
Killing another party over and over again counts as incap.
This "ghost" has far better stats and resists soul hax soo uhhh...
Flowey has "control over the timeline" here, as stated in the OP.
It means that he can control the timeline by using SAVE and LOAD which is basically a canon Save file thing as in videogames, he cannot in the story because his Determination is lesser than Frisk's.
It doesn't matter if he did. Curses are invulnerable to any attack without cursed energy and Mahito can regenerate any injury as long as his soul exists.
I forgor he doesn't have a Soul
Doesn't help with how Mahito can shift his body, he'll just morph into a worm or blow his own head off to escape; or worst case; use domain expansion
Speed isn't equal, so Flowey is x6122.4 faster at minimum.
Magic is non-physical in nature and can harm spiritual beings like ghosts, other than harming both SOUL and body. So Flowey can just stack damage on his soul.
It's one of the focal points of the story, come on now.
He usually leads with pellets, yes. But he does spam the undodgeable circle tho.
Flowey doesn't use that IC unless he wants to absorb a SOUL. And even then, he has to completely overpower the victim 1st.
Should probably specify that this is Supersonic+ Flowey huh (a.k.a the speed advantage is x4 something).
That's something everyone in UT does have.
Tbh x4 feels quite a lot still, as imagine following any Fighting Game at x2 speed, let alone x4.
Again, every UT Monster and Human also have that, and like just taking attacks to your soul doesn't require any resistance, it's not like Yuji's attacks one-shot souls lol
That's assuming curses are intangible like UT ghosts which the majority of them aren't. In fact, someone without cursed energy can still touch but not cause any harm to them. They're just straight up invulnerable to damage without cursed energy. I'm precisely wording it here.
Okay.. I already realized that before. Nothing is stopping Mahito from two tapping Flowey over and over again which is incap.
Flowey is x4 Faster and is used to opponents with complex danmaku patterns like Sans or Undyne.
Can't do that. Not by this SBA.
That stops people from like running away or whatever, in this case it's literally a weakness.
And "giving up" here would mean losing the "will to keep living" that gives Flowey any of his powers in the first place.
Neither tells us how Mahito could defeat Flowey, and even if they did, it wouldn't be possible for Mahito to do. We don't know exactly how Asgore "beat" the 6 humans to get their hearts. Hell, in Undertale Yellow, which I know is a fangame, Clover gave his soul to Asgore. How do we know Kindness or Patience didn't just give up their souls?
Another peculiar case are the six humans that came before Frisk. It is implied that just like them, they have also used this power, as Flowey got his Determination right from the SOULs of these humans, which is further evidenced from Toriel feeling a sense of dèjà vu anytime she meets a human, other than them dying a lot of times against Asgore before finally giving up and let him take their SOULs, with him also being aware of this power as he just nods instead of being surprised when Frisk tells him that he's killed them before.
Oh I agree, but that's not what the bullshit current standards on the matter RN says
He killed them, over and over again, till they gave up. An old Toby tweet confirms so.
Aside from him just like ignoring the gameplay mechanics (Which don't exist in-universe) throughout the fight, sans sorta just has like really good danmaku and can kill you real fast if he lands a hit, that's about it really. The skill and creativity Mahito employs in his fights isn't really seen by anything in Undertale tbh
what
Tbh him making up attacks as complex as Sans' is a stretch,
