Virtual Reality literally has nothing to do with the Info Manipulation unless it's explicitly stated to be made of information, because VR is computer based, which is basically data manipulation
Sure, already said that's fine
Virtual Reality has really no definition to fit info manipulation, it's literally data manipulation
Read again, I never said it was computer or data based. I gave an anology.
Yeah, you may want to read what I wrote again.
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Information exists everywhere. Even in our real world, let alone in any fictional verse. No reality is absent of information unless explicitly mentioned. That would be like saying souls don't exist in fictional worlds, which you don't assume unless stated otherwise.
That's what definition of Virtual Reality implies, it's a reality made out of computer data, if you want to say that's it's just an abstract/non-material space - that's fine, but it doesn't even remotely have anything to do with information, there need to be direct statements
That quite literally has nothing to do with the nature of realm, it needs to be stated to be made out of information, otherwise it doesn't qualify, just because it's non-physical doesn't mean it's some informational realm unless there's more context
So the realm is devoid of information then? That's what you are implying?
No, not really?
That's a nonsensical paradox you propose. Such thing doesn't happen unless explicitly stated. It takes far more evidence to say something is devoid of information, let alone some weird duality you claim it to be.
It's not really a paradox or a "weird quality", simply put - we just don't know how it correlates to information, fundamental information(not like memories, knowledge and etc.) isn't even a strict component to reality
That realm, if it's non-material indeed, can be composed of anything, really, we really don't know the specifics, it can be an empty space-time, a abstract space of some sort or whatever the developers want, we don't know because there's no context to that, ESPECIALLY to any sort of information making up the existence of the realm, IM requirements are kinda strict
It upgrades Dante's/Sparda bloodline's intelligence to Extraordinary Genius btw.
It's also Power Mimicry
Lemme label it like that, a moment
Why are these feats for demonic energy? They seem to be abilities for the staff of darkness or mirage stone specifically
Just because its named absolute zero doesn't mean it is
No. It's not only stated multiple times that it has absolute zero ice powers and is comparable, if not higher, to frosts which have sub-absolute zero ice powers, but even it's accepted in the wiki that he has AZ (it's on his profile). So no inconsistent, no hyperbole.
It wouldn't hurt to establish a sort of consistency
Virtual reality is a coined term for virtual realm and honestly? If it isn't information based environment then what else it is? The fact it being mentioned to be manipulated through souls in order to keep Demons at bay is more then enough evidence I believe.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the very basic definition of information is collection of Data in an organized way, no? The fact it is termed as virtual realm/reality and is said to be manipulated via souls on top of it gives hints of information manipulation then vice versa to me...
On the wiki there's a clear distinction of data and information. Data is more so computer based, while information is much more general term. There's just insufficient context regarding the realm, you would need at the very least some explicit statements about it being of information or smth like that. Souls aren't really connected to the information in any way so I don't know what that's supposed to prove
What if I prove that souls are related to information in nature then? Because I've one more argument for information on the desk I've yet to utilize but not here.
Indeed, but it's not just for combat because one of the examples the description gives is Dante's guitar skills. So "physical skills" in general rather than just combat skills.
Also, I already know that PoC is canon because it's an alternate timeline like the one with Void Mundus in DMC Volume 2 (from what I understand?), but what's the proof that the powers and abilities of the alternate timeline characters also apply to those in the main timeline? (Not that I disagree with that, I'd just like to know the argument for it to be sure.)
Because the framework of each timeline has the same cosmological basis which feeds right into the recent UES revision. Any real differences in essence exist only per divergent events (i.e. Mundus becoming Void Mundus due to having slain Sparda in the past through trickery, but nevertheless having the same past up until that point) as demon archetypes/abilities/haxes generated born in the Demonworld would just be par the course for any timeline. In short it's a fool's gambit to try to argue divergent timelines automatically equates to divergent abilities/haxes without additional context supporting this idea. Not to mention that with Itsuno having given direction the character's abilities would be accurate to the primary timeline as it is for all intents and purposes an orthodox sequel to the events of 3 with only divergences in events and minor ones at that seeing as Plutone/Pluto (who exists in the main timeline) is present there should be enough evidence that just about everything is exactly the same in any relevant way beyond minor differences in events.
It is a similar case to why a universal energy system remains the same way with the same function across parallel universes/realities,Examples: Marvel,final fantasy and so on.
Unsure about the info and NEP i do believe they would qualify for being non existent on a spiritual level which would mean that they would also be non existent on a mental level due to how the soul works, the rest is fine to keep imo
Yeah now that you're talking about it, I agree that NEP from being born from nothingness wouldn't really be NEP since coming into existence from nothing is the basis of most cosmologies. Regardless, I still feel positive about everything else.
Yeah after realization NEP shouldn't be there for Nemesis. Initially I thought it wouldn't be far fetched to say that given Sargassos are a thing and no Demon have stated to be born from nothingness but it really wouldn't mean much without further context I suppose.
Sorry but I forgot to mention that there is this scan as well where Dante was stated to blend art and science in his movesets as we can see with Royal Guard. What do you guyz think?
Did you not read the scan? It explicitly says Dante can master any task seconds after learning about it. The most important part is literally as follows: "Dante is an almost perfect being, capable of achieving anything. Even if presented with a task he has yet to master, he would simply need a few seconds to conquer it. His physical abilities surpass those of both humans and demons, allowing him to reach astonishing heights. The music he creates is at an unparalleled level that few can even begin to comprehend. "
Like, dude, I'm not sure Dante has ever used nunchucks before picking up Cerberus in DMC 3, and that's despite the fact that Cerberus is an ABSOLUTELY inconvenient weapon for real life, because it's literally a TRIPLE nunchuck, and he even spins it on his foot, not to mention using it effectively and perfectly in combat. Dante couldn't have known even in theory how to fight with such a weapon from the start.
Oh look, it's mister passive-agressive himself
Taking the scan and scaling to all of the verse intelectual and physical feats is NLF at its finest, even more when the series does provide feats for physical tasks but not really to intelectual tasks: every question, every doubt, every science and every mystery would've been instantly solved if we use the scan like you want to, but that was never shown, it makes no sense to not consider the consequences of such statement being pushed this high. Also, the fact that the scan only explicitly scales his physical abilities above humans and demons (which then would consider the characters you mentioned) is yet another reason to not give this NLF a chance
Nice job nitpicking the scan to suit your needs. The scan explicitly says, word for word, he can master any task presented to him, after that is that his physical abilities are praised. The scan is NOT about physical abilities only.
One thing is being interested, another completely different is being able to. Don't confuse those terms.
Send me those remains in PMs, I'll look into it and make another PoC CRT. There is some few more things I left myself that needs to be implemented.
I never said it was physicals only, just that it praised and focused more on that side instead of the intelectual side, doesn't mater how much we go back and forth, the scan does say he can master any task, but to assume it covers even the highest intelectual feats in the series without at least feats on that caliber for Dante is really out there, since, again, the only time the scan scales Dante higher than anyone directly is where it goes into physical abilities
A great feat, but Arkham himself manipulated Vergil in the game and Arkham isn't Extraordinary Genius, this sounds Genius at best and unfathombly less impressive for what is being pushed here
Well, it is about Physiology and I disagree with that as much as you
First, this is false because the Physiology had Novel 2 feats added to it, so you guys are messing up
I'm not sure if that is only limited to Dante... I mean... His powers are a result of Sparda and Vergil is similar to him by the end of DMC5 (I'd argue even more given he ate Qliphoth Tree's fruit that originally granted Mundus his powers)
You can have the same power source yet use it differently to strengthen yourself in different areas in different ways
Well, idk what is the reason for that tbh since i was not there when this was accepted or what is the reason for it been accepted in the profile
