Conquest vs Control

[GunshyFever]

Conquest vs Control

Conquest (Invincible) VS Makima (Chainsaw Man)
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Context:

Cecil Stedman realizes Earth is in danger once Conquest, one of the most feared Viltrumites shows up with plans to subjugate Invincible and the Earth itself. Outmatched and desperate, Cecil taps into interdimensional technology he’s been developing in secret. He sends a request across realities for any being powerful enough to stand against Conquest and Makima answers.

Intrigued by Cecil’s promise of influence and resources beyond her own world, the Control Devil agrees and teleport's Conquest to her own dimension. He emerges in Tokyo, Japan, where Cecil has gathered all who are willing to witness and take note of the fight. Conquest remains for a battle and looking toward his new opponent, who also seeks to Conquer him.

All Japanese Citizens are present. (But not in one place)

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Match Assumptions & Battle Conditions:

• Character Versions: Both at Standard Battle Assumptions (SBA) level.
• Victory Conditions: As per SBA (death, incapacitation, or any other standard victory method).
• State of Mind: In-character with the intent to win (SBA).
• Knowledge: SBA stipulations; no special knowledge of each other’s verses/powers unless normally available.
• Preparation Time: None beyond their usual readiness, unless otherwise stated.
• Equipment: Standard and optional equipment each would typically bring to an important confrontation.
• Time: 12:00 PM (Noon).
• Location: 1997 Japan (Chainsaw Man Universe setting).
• Starting Distance: 4 kilometers apart (SBA default).
• Outside Influence: None; bystanders will not aid either side. Observers are there merely to watch.
• Verse Equalization: Useless here (no direct cross-verse compatibility required).
• Speed: Equalized.
• All Japanese Citizens Present: Due to the invitation and lavish monetary incentive.

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Additional Relevant Rules:

• No outside help or intervention from other characters.
• Both parties are fully healed before the fight begins (SBA).

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Feats & Notable Abilities:

Makima (Control Devil)

• Ability to manipulate, dominate, or contract with beings she sees as inferior to her.
• Damage Transferal via her contract which extends to all Japanese Citizens
• Enhanced senses and intellect, numerous devil abilities. (Cosmo, Santa Claus, Stone Devil, Hell Devil and many more at her disposal) [See more here...]

Conquest

• Incredible physical strength and durability.
• Huge combat experience.
• Rapid healing factor, though advanced age can limit certain regenerative capabilities.
• Ferocious fighting style, honed from centuries of conquest and battles.

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Discussion To Note:

• Conquest is 37.78 quadrillion times stronger than Makima.
• Makima is actually Invincible but limited to Japanese lives.
• Will Conquest be able to take down Makima permanently?

 

[Electronic74947]

Unironically couldn’t conquest just ram makima through the planet and surface wipe before makima even thinks of a cohesive response. Ik he doesn’t KNOW about makimas contract but he’s the type of person to do it anyway

 

[GunshyFever]

Unironically couldn’t conquest just ram makima through the planet and surface wipe before makima even thinks of a cohesive response. Ik he doesn’t KNOW about makimas contract but he’s the type of person to do it anyway

In character he would toy with Makima and her hybrid army.

 

[Homie890]

Makima bouta get conquested on god bruh

 

[Epiccheev]

Speed equal means Makima does the Control Devil Sigma stare, causing brain hemorraghing, or controlmaxxes him with pure Rizz.

 

[GunshyFever]

They have a heart to heart about their loneliness about being strong and their purpose to conquer and then they become friends and part ways

 

[Electronic74947]

In character he would toy with Makima and her hybrid army.

I find it funny how ****** makima is if he finds out that her immortality is tied to japan

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Is Makima able to come back from be turned into a Blood Stain because one punch from a holding back Conquest is enough for that.

 

[GunshyFever]

Is Makima able to come back from be turned into a Blood Stain because one punch from a holding back Conquest is enough for that.

Pretty much. Her damage transferal operates as Mid-High regen.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Pretty much. Her damage transferal operates as Mid-High regen.

Alright, so match starts, and Conquest most likely blitzes and one-shots Makima. She comes back and probably does her signature BANG which really wont hurt Conquest (man was taking hits from Early Series Mark who is Large Island Level while Makima is Town Level at best). He hits her again, kills her, she resurrects. At this point, Makima is probably smart enough to realize the AP Gap is too much and probably start going with her haxes. So, the question becomes two fold:
1) Are any of her haxes potent enough to put Conquest down for good or give her another win-con?
2) Is she going to be able to hit him?

 

[GunshyFever]

Conquest most likely blitzes and one-shots Makima.

Speed: Equalized.

So, the question becomes two fold:
1) Are any of her haxes potent enough to put Conquest down for good or give her another win-con?
2) Is she going to be able to hit him?

But the big question is, can Conquest permanently kill Makima before it's too late? Once Makima realizes the AP gap is too large, varying from the Mole devil, Hell Devil, Cosmo and Santa Claus which are all insta wincons. Makima will definitely watch in the shadows as she leaves her troops to deal with him. So, can Conquest kill enough people before making it to the final boss is the true question here.

 

[ssgengar]

What hax would Makima likely start with

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Conquest FRA. Seems to me like Conquest can just kill her or figure it out. He's got no real reason (in-character) to humor her abilities, when it's raw power and a good physical fight that interests him, not a fight that seems conceptually interesting to VSBW-ers.

 

[GunshyFever]

What hax would Makima likely start with

Varying on her opponent, if given the context of the story she would probably guage his strength by leaving him with her troops. If Cecil already told her about what he could do, she would probably explode him inside out (and, Cecil didn't tell her how strong he was, just "hey, help me with this threat").

Conquest FRA.

There are no reasons above in favor of Conquest winning.

Seems to me like Conquest can just kill her or figure it out. He's got no real reason (in-character) to humor her abilities, when it's raw power and a good physical fight that interests him, not a fight that seems conceptually interesting to VSBW-ers.

If he does go all out, if he targets Makima, he's already lost, if he goes Gun Devil style and just wipes out the country, the chances of him winning are almost 100%. It really depends on how he plays his cards from earlier on.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Stomp on Makima's favour

 

[GunshyFever]

It's not a stomp because both have means of defeating eachother, but counted.

Edit: I'll go ahead and vote Makima as well.

 

[Tahoy49574]

When are non-viltrumites getting matches ? At least here it's Stats vs Hax, but I don't think this would go any different if this was another viltrumite

In character he would toy with Makima and her hybrid army.

Something people have to understand is that Conquest toyed with Mark that long because, besides being allowed to do anything with Earth as long as he takes control, he knows he is a viltrumite(and the son of a highly regarded one), that's why he kept pushing him throughout their fight to give him more. If he didn't know Mark was attached to Eve and Oliver he would've killed them right there. If he sees all his opposition is a seemingly normal human he'll just off them right there

Pretty much. Her damage transferal operates as Mid-High regen.

Alright, so match starts, and Conquest most likely blitzes and one-shots Makima. She comes back and probably does her signature BANG which really wont hurt Conquest (man was taking hits from Early Series Mark who is Large Island Level while Makima is Town Level at best). He hits her again, kills her, she resurrects. At this point, Makima is probably smart enough to realize the AP Gap is too much and probably start going with her haxes. So, the question becomes two fold:

Conquest greatly upscales Middle Of Series Mark, not that it changes anything. Does Makima have any recollection of her deaths ? Since any move from Conquest is turning her into a red mist.

All in all, I don't think Conquest can figure her ability out since it's WAY out of the realm of the Invincible universe in term of abilities, if Makima supposedly has instant win cards then this just seems like a pretty easy win for her

 

[GunshyFever]

When are non-viltrumites getting matches ? At least here it's Stats vs Hax, tho I don't know how different this would go if this was another viltrumite

Cmon dude, non viltrumites are kinda lame.

Something people have to understand is that Conquest toyed with Mark that long because, besides being allowed to do anything with Earth as long as he takes control, he knows he is a viltrumite(and the son of a highly regarded one), that's why he kept pushing him throughout their fight to give him more. If he didn't know Mark was attached to Eve and Oliver he would've killed them right there. If he sees all his opposition is a seemingly normal human he'll just off them right there

Ah, gotcha.

Conquest greatly upscales Middle Of Series Mark, not that it changes anything. Does Makima have any recollection of her deaths ? Since any move from Conquest is turning her into a red mist.

When she "dies" the damage is just transfered and then she is reverted back into a healthy state. She keeps her memories, even from brain damage.

All in all, I don't think Conquest can figure her ability out since it's WAY out of the realm of abilities in the Invincible universe, if Makima supposedly has instant win cards then this just seems like a pretty easy win for her

Counted.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Cmon dude, non viltrumites are kinda lame.

Tech Jacket and Atom Eve will be much more interesting to debate when my CRT passes through

Counted.

Tbf I meant that in a "this is a stomp" sense. Conquest's only wincon which is surface-wiping isn't that likely

 

[GunshyFever]

I'll probably change the matchup later then in that case.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

but counted.

Not a vote..

Makima could kill him while hes yapping.. Makima's stare or pointing should be enough to either kill him or put him in a state he can't fight.

Conquest's only wincon is starting from Japan and nuking all the planet, targeting every place that has japanese citizens. (Mind you he don't even know he needs to do this)

Ignoring speed equal, hes suprisingly capable of doing this. (Actually, very rare that in a Makima match up, the opponent is actually capable of doing this and it's not just fans glazing and being delusional)
Not in few minutes or very short period of time tho. However, Makima has long ranged duraneg shenanigans that can allow her to kill him even while hes doing that.

I also don't want Conquest to get L from a 8-B, he already lost so much aura.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

I'll probably change the matchup later then in that case.

change it to Fraudmortal.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Discussion To Note:

• Conquest is 37.78 quadrillion times stronger than Makima.
• Makima is actually Invincible but limited to Japanese lives.
• Will Conquest be able to take down Makima permanently?

...No idea who wins or loses, but for reference on how huge an AP Gap that is- Makima could literally use the lifespan of every single person on the planet, and the resulting weapon still wouldn't be able to scratch Conquest.

"Usage: 1,600 galactic years."

I think that AP Gap is enough to just turn Makima into atoms honestly. But I dunno if we assume her regen can't bring her back from that like Death Battle did.

Anywho, this is a hilariously fitting match considering the "I'm so lonely..." speech in the adaptation.

[Edit: Wait this is in-character and Makima gets Santa Claus? That's not fair, Conquest just turns into a doll after touching her.]

 

[YeahhBoyee]

Conquest is 37.78 quadrillion times stronger than Makima.

Bro after he gets hit by one chain:

(This is not a vote)

 

[Chariot190]

Speed: Equalized.

Throw it in the trash boys....

 

[azontr]

Entire japanese population sitting in the background for whatever reason: erm... uh oh....

 

[Epiccheev]

“Forgive my excessive use of force, but you leave me no choice my friend! Sumo Attack!”

 

[Electronic74947]

Entire japanese population sitting in the background for whatever reason: erm... uh oh....

Yeah, conquest could unironically ram into the planet really hard with the soul intent of killing makima, and might accidentally kill all of japan as a result.

 

[Electronic74947]

Bro after he gets hit by one chain:

(This is not a vote)

doesn't she have to believe she's superior? If someone is desperate enough to contact her from another world then that ability is kinda thrown down the drain due to conquest just having that reputation

 

[Dinozxd]

Isn't Conquest trying to  conquer the whole planet here? If that's the case, it's very likely that he'll just start nuking the whole place and eventually kill all Japanese citizens.

 

[azontr]

He doesn't specifically care about conquering the planet even if it is his orders, he's just there for the smoke, so he's willing to destroy and kill as many as people as he wants just to have fun.

 

[Chariot190]

Cmon dude, non viltrumites are kinda lame.

Makima when Robot sends ten fucktrillion personalized drones ranging from 6-C to low 5-B to systematically wipe out every japanese citizen or just some bullshit where he BFRs her a billion universes away or whatever other shit he got laying around as he spins in his gamer chair eating doritos and mtn dew.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Bro after he gets hit by one chain:

(This is not a vote)

How do I just post images?

 

[Dinozxd]

He doesn't specifically care about conquering the planet even if it is his orders, he's just there for the smoke, so he's willing to destroy and kill as many as people as he wants just to have fun.

Well Makima is certainly not strong enough to keep him excited so I'd say he would just go around and start killing people. I'm guessing that every Japan citizens are scattered around Tokyo and wiping a city is as easy as killing an ant for Conquest (or any viltrumite in general)
I don't see why he can't just nuke Tokyo then kill Makima.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

If he turns Makima into gore and start nuking the planet, he'll likely end up like the yakuza who blocked Aki's path in about two minutes.

Did you even read the rules? Japanese people are in all japan and all over the world (japanese diaspora) He gotta kill every soul with japanese citizenship before Makima kills him.

 

[azontr]

Well Makima is certainly not strong enough to keep him excited so I'd say he would just go around and start killing people.

Well, it's not just the fight that keeps him interested. He also just likes murdering people for the sake of it.

 

[GunshyFever]

Makima when Robot sends ten fucktrillion personalized drones ranging from 6-C to low 5-B to systematically wipe out every japanese citizen or just some bullshit where he BFRs her a billion universes away or whatever other shit he got laying around as he spins in his gamer chair eating doritos and mtn dew.

So it's either one sided or not one sided when it comes to Invincible characters. Beats me.

 

[Dinozxd]

If he turns Makima into gore and start nuking the planet, he'll likely end up like the yakuza who blocked Aki's path in about two minutes.

Idk what this means man

Did you even read the rules? Japanese people are in all japan and all over the world (japanese diaspora) He gotta kill every soul with japanese citizenship before Makima kills him.

The OP states that all Japanese citizens are present so I just assumed that they were all scattered around Tokyo as that's where the battle takes place. Was I wrong?

 

[YeahhBoyee]

doesn't she have to believe she's superior? If someone is desperate enough to contact her from another world then that ability is kinda thrown down the drain due to conquest just having that reputation

The way i understand it, Makima's innate ability to control people is not tied to the chains. They are two abilities with separate conditions. Makima's abilities are vague so im not 100.0% confident on this but reasonably sure. And her page says the same thing:

• Chain Creation & Durability Negation (Able to form chains out of her body,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Makima#cite_note-C89-29"><span>[</span>29<span>]</span></a> which are intangible,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Makima#cite_note-C119-30"><span>[</span>30<span>]</span></a> that she typically uses to form a much more direct control over others. However, this is not required to control others in the first place.)

so afaik the chains are an insta-win [only exception being Barem, and we can't really count Control Devil's mind control losing to a stronger version of herself against her].

 

[YeahhBoyee]

How do I just post images?

External links sometimes dont work, then i just use Gyazo.