If you have permission from Astral, you don't need to ask anyone else.
Yeah you can close it, going to make a different one anyway
Thank you
I was saying like normal speed vs speed with information particles because the normal speed they show in volume 21 is at best speed of light. Using info particles we can scale to infinite or above.
Ok, then I likely misunderstood that sentence but instead the world destroyed in the present, and doesn’t rimuru say Chloe can’t go back because the time is suspended or something
The thing is information particles couldn’t perceive the expansions of space in the end of space and time, we can infer this as expansion of space and time is 0, which is later confirmed, but if using information particles allowed for traveling from there to the past, then rimuru might have already done so. He even finds the coordinates back using soil corridor. He uses these coordinates to go back to the past. I mean theoretically we can say that rimuru could still go back , but rimuru was literally stressing until ciel said about the space time leap. So I think more evidence is needed.
I saw some sentences is volume 22 that will give rimuru durability a huge boost. I will just quickly put it right now and later provide the scans and all for it.
Yeah all speeds in verse can't go past SOL, except for Info Particles.
True
And voids, hells abyss was said to be FTL if i remember correctly.
No, it isn’t HG…
I am not sure about this, i will check later.
The thing is the void collapse, as per the scans i gave before has information (type 2) erasure. So it qualifies for erasing a fundamental aspect of the person's existence. But, in the scans i provided it is saying regenerating against the void collapse because of his cells but not regenerating from it. I mean high-godly is badically resurrection. Which we already know rimuru has since his heart core is made of information particles and true dragons can resurrect even if their heart core is destroyed which is high-godly.
Thank you for this explaination. I finally understood how this mechanic works. Based on what i said above highgodly negation.
Well no, we have no proof of rimuru cells being capable of regenerating themselves when all the other cells are destroyed.
Yes we have no proof of that yet and we can't just take from the wording as "omnipotent cells"
And starting when is this against speed?
And the novel refers to the movement of IP as physical movement all the times. The speed thing can explained via their bde1 nature, Tensura follows relativity and IP due to bde1 do not follow it so their movement isn't what is normally considerate speed in verse (as you can't apply s/t).
Except that it isn't? This is Dragguel walking normally and then he uses SW.
How is this relevant? He wasn't able to understand SW yet. Literay there is no sign of movement cause time gets stopped, how can rimuru even think about it being speed if he doesn't see air being moved or things like that?
Because its not that the information particles treat the temporal dimension as if its an addition axis of spartial movement,the entire time dimension is frozen during the suspended world thus its impossible to timetravel ,information particles dont exceed the SoL ,those feats are done because they are outside space and time as a whole ,they can go to any moment in time because the limitations of time don't apply to them same for space
AGAIN no it is not high-godly, like you said yourself earlier it requires one to be completely erased, if some cells are not getting erased, it is not high godly.
This is wrong. Information particles are stated to be physical movement and not teleportation. The people use information particles within themselves when they transform into digital lifeforms for movement. The reason for not being able to time travel is that time travel with a designated location is immeasurable speed not infinite speed requirement. They are not outside of space and time but ineffected. Also I want to add that when suspended world is in play, not just that space but the entire world of tensura has its time frozen. Based on the statements given we can tell that if a person can move in the suspended world, any type of stopped time, ability based or just a dimension with stopped time in general are useless. In stopped time natural physical and magical physics usually cease to exist, including biological things like heart beat.
Ok since rimuru has high godly regen anyways I won’t push this argument any further. I just want clarification though. Since high godly is after a person I a completely erased on that level rimuru’s cells don’t have the feats to show that yet. But they do make up for rimuru’s abilities right. I’ll give you a scan that shows how the void based ability of Diablo with rimuru’s cell works.
Stealing the opponents energy requires the use of soemthing like beelezebub or soul gluttony. He needed some active ability to counter that which right now he doesn’t need to waste time with that and it all becomes a passive ability. Imagine this, void collapse downside is the requirement of an active skill, but now that requirement is also gone and rimuru can use it endlessly, no downside anywhere. Void collapse as rimuru gets stronger, it also gets stronger to the extent that it can rival veldanava’s ability. Veldanava lost the skill but rimuru will not lose it. Rimuru has potential to become stronger than veldanava’s ability in the next volume which I will cover later, only potential of course. But with just this skill he has the potential to rival the creation of Veldanava.
I dont think you understand what am saying .
The novel also said anyone who moves with information particles are moving and not teleporting or time traveling with an ability. And I don’t know about time traveling with information particles that much, but I do know they are unaffected by time and space. If they do indeed time travel, it doesn’t matter if it is because they are unaffected by time, it still counts as speed for them, because it is a form of physical motion and not ability or teleportation. So it does come into sheer speed factor. That’s why infinite speed minimum, finite distance in 0 time. Immeasurable I need to review that part a little bit more.
There timetravelling ability doesn't come from their speed factor at all ,if comes from there nature as BDE type 1 beings again the novel directly said "it isn't a matter of speed being exceeded"
the thing is you are confusing them for BDE type 1.
Information particles transcend space and time thus they are unaffected by it,they are literally smaller than photons which are zero dimensional particles ,dagruel was capable of moving without any form of spartial interaction
This is false we see vega ,mai,laplace and yuuki in the subspace but they aren't digital lifeforms plus just because information particles exist in everything doesn't mean they occupy space.
It isn't a matter of exceeding the speed
Tensura is a hax based verse ,it doesn't make sense to say you transcend time and still have temporal features ,that means they never transcend time
I think you don’t understand what transcending means. And it could also mean being unaffected, that’s already mentioned in another statement. Info particles are transcending space and time and are unaffected by space and time. Transcending means existing outside the “constraints” of physical space and time. And unaffected is self-explanatory. Existing outside the constraints or laws of space, or being unaffected by space do not prove that they don’t exist in space. It has to mentioned that they do not exist in space.
You can exist in the subspace without being a digital lifeform. Sub space is literally used so that you can cut off the weaklings who cannot move in subspace from the fight. You can be there but you cannot move unless you either transcend space and time and can move in stopped time or you are made of information particles and use them to move.
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You don’t understand what transcending means. It literally is based on the context, and based on the given context it is clearly mentioned in the same sentence that they transcend time and space but exist in recognizable space. In the context it means they are completely beyond regular space and time, and are unaffected by regular space and time. They never mentioned they are non existent in regular space and time. Your argument has no proof or scan. I have scan for existing in recognizable space. You don’t have a scan to back what you said up.
he only found out that he is a primordial during his discussion with Guy which was like way after he was even a true demon lord, more like when he was evolved into true dragon species
No that was in volume 12 after Chloe arc and before empire arc
I guess I was wrong.
Volume 12 chapter 1 after Chloe arc rimuru have a meeting with Chloe, Leon ruminas and some of rimuru's subordinates were there like diablo benimaru anyway they were talking about Chloe power and and her previous time travels and suddenly guy joined the meeting without invitation diablo tried to stop him but diablo failed and then people noticed how casually diablo was interacting with guy and then guy revealed everything and no rimuru at that time was still not as powerful as true dragons
there some things to fix before doing an upgrade, also staff basically ignores our crts so no point in an upgrade now.
