Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Web Novel) Immeasurable Speed Downgrade

[CodeCCLL]

Introduction:
It wasn't a good idea to ignore the thread that accept this.

TenSura Immeasurable Speed Explanation (Web Novel)

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Credit: @StrymULTRA (Until this message I had no motivation to read this blog)

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Leaving no moment of gap due to instantaneous transfer of data.

Information was delivered at the moment of cognition. That was one of the annoying things about 『Multiple Existence』. It's impossible to overpower that transfer speed, unless you use some ability to stop time. To quote Ciel-sensei, the speed at which data was transferred, was practically faster than the speed of light. It was word for word, "at the same time".

At least, according to these scans, I can see Infinite Speed for information transfer.

Extra Argument

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However:

Information isn't simply a means to travel spatially. In fact, it can even move between two points through Time, as seen that it can travel between Soul Corridors a special link that connects the Information aspect of two individuals across Space and Time

This scan only mention about the transfer of information from the space-time continuum of the universe to another dimension (e.g. imaginary space) via the soul corridor, and this is not evidence that information is transferred through time.

As the Speed of Information transfer is practically faster than Time and can move in it, it can even achieve feats such as out-speeding Teleportation, said teleportation can move between spatial coordinates with Truly No Time-lag at all.

By the time I teleported over after detecting him, Velda had already finished what he came here for.

Velda went to El-Dorado via information transfer between parallel existences and took Kazaream's power and came back, and Rimuru only teleported to El-Dorado after detecting Velda, so you can't compare anything based on that statement.

Another supporting evidence is the character Chloe Aubert. Initially, she can, in her Astral Form (Non-Physical form), fly to the past. The term fly indicates clear Physical Movement, however, she could not remember the future in this state.

After evolving, she gains a better ability, she can do the exact same but also during mid-combat, and continuously at that, allowing her to remember the future and dodge attacks that have already happened by flying to the past.

This ability, however, also be prevented via Suspended World as it makes it such that Time does not exist, leading to Chloe being limited to moving spatially only.

The ability she obtained was, Unique Skill『Time Travel[4]』, the power to do a limited leap to the past.
It’s a one way trip, and the conditions to use this ability are complicated and its use is limited.
Last time (Or every time), Chloe killed Hinata and leapt to the past.
When she returned from the long time-travel and woke up, she killed Hinata.

Chloe's astral body does not travel to the past by flying through space-time at Chloe's speed. What is mentioned here is just Chloe's "Time Traveler" ability making Chloe's Astral Form travel back in time.

These are the main reasons for Immeasurable Speed and yes it is complete bullshit.

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Proposal: Nuke this blog and downgrade information transfer speed to "Infinite Speed".

Agree: @Reiner04 @Planck69 @Dereck03 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Lycoris4812]

In the original thread, it was accepted as immeasurable because moving in time stop that stops two temporal dimensions is immeasurable.
Quoting DDM,

If time stop effects two temporal dimensions, then resisting that or moving so fast that doesn't effect you is Immeasurable outright.

 

[CodeCCLL]

In the original thread, it was accepted as immeasurable because moving in time stop that stops two temporal dimensions is immeasurable.
Quoting DDM,

Immeasurable speed does not allow you to move in stopped time, it is simply resistance to time stopping.

 

[DemonKing021]

Agree with the OP. Using time travel as immeasurable is kinda funny.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Although OP's points make sense, I'll wait for knowledgeable members of the verse for their counters.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Immeasurable speed does not allow you to move in stopped time, it is simply resistance to time stopping.

What do you mean by this? Moving in the stopped time gives immeasurable speed, not the other way around.

 

[CodeCCLL]

What do you mean by this? Moving in the stopped time gives immeasurable speed, not the other way around.

Yes, it is not the other way around, but moving in time stop does not provide immeasurable speed. There was no such thing and there never was.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Yes, it is not the other way around, but moving in time stop does not provide immeasurable speed. There was no such thing and there never was.

I'm not too knowledgeable about all this, but I suppose we can ask DDM to clarify their standpoint.

 

[Reiner04]

OP makes sense to me.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What do you mean by this? Moving in the stopped time gives immeasurable speed, not the other way around.

Huh... No?

It was either resistance or infinite speed.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Huh... No?

It was either resistance or infinite speed.

DDM said otherwise.

If time stop effects two temporal dimensions, then resisting that or moving so fast that doesn't effect you is Immeasurable outright.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Yes, it is not the other way around, but moving in time stop does not provide immeasurable speed. There was no such thing and there never was.

DDM is a knowledgeable member in the speed section, so his option is to be greately considered


also, that whole part about "chloe used her ability" is irrelevant because she still flew. She didn't do some teleportation . It may be her ability, but she did very well fly to the past.

Plus she later did the same thing in combat too, against guy. So its not just some time travel based shi

 

[CodeCCLL]

also, that whole part about "chloe used her ability" is irrelevant because she still flew. She didn't do some teleportation . It may be her ability, but she did very well fly to the past.

Plus she later did the same thing in combat too, against guy. So its not just some time travel based shi

Yes, in two chapter where time travel is the main issue, there is talk of traveling to the past, and its context has absolutely nothing to do with time travel... Be reasonable.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It has been listed over the years if the translations are accurate. But when I accepted it, the reason had to do with extradimensional levels of movement. Time stop works on a level that effected two temporal dimensions based on the translations, which having a resistance and/or immunity would well above baseline Immeasurable by default. The general idea is that a 2nd or greater temporal dimension works in a way that not even baseline Immeasurable speed characters can travel back; and stopping it by default stops anyone with baseline Immeasurable speed. And even slightly resisting that would require Immeasurable speed + resistance to extradimensional levels of time manipulation. As similar to dimensional tiering standards, each temporal dimension layer that a character can travel through with ease translates to another layer of Immeasurable speed multiplied by Immeasurable levels of speed.

At least, that's how it got accepted. Was assuming the translations to the scans were accurate, it would equate to a extra layer tier of Time manipulation that even standard level Immeasurable speeds have 0 resistance against. But if the translations are bad, which there is a possibility that they aren't good translations given the consistent reports about tensei slime, then those might be a different story. I think the OP should be less focused on the idea of "Immeasurable speed vs time stop resistance" and more so looking for help from translation helpers. If the various scans that explain the potency level of time stop working on an "Extradimensional layer" are bunk, then we can revisit this and I will probably agree. But for the time being, it's the level of the time stop based on the dubious translations that need looking at first.

 

[StrymULTRA]

DDM said otherwise.

So? Even Ultima was wrong on things.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

It has been listed over the years if the translations are accurate. But when I accepted it, the reason had to do with extradimensional levels of movement. Time stop works on a level that effected two temporal dimensions based on the translations, which having a resistance and/or immunity would well above baseline Immeasurable by default. The general idea is that a 2nd or greater temporal dimension works in a way that not even baseline Immeasurable speed characters can travel back; and stopping it by default stops anyone with baseline Immeasurable speed. And even slightly resisting that would require Immeasurable speed + resistance to extradimensional levels of time manipulation. As similar to dimensional tiering standards, each temporal dimension layer that a character can travel through with ease translates to another layer of Immeasurable speed multiplied by Immeasurable levels of speed.

At least, that's how it got accepted. Was assuming the translations to the scans were accurate, it would equate to an extra layer tier of Time manipulation that even standard level Immeasurable speeds have 0 resistance against. But if the translations are bad, which there is a possibility that they aren't good translations given the consistent reports about tensei slime, then those might be a different story. I think the OP should be less focused on the idea of "Immeasurable speed vs time stop resistance" and more so looking for help from translation helpers. If the various scans that explain the potency level of time stop working on an "Extradimensional layer" are bunk, then we can revisit this and I will probably agree. But for the time being, it's the level of the time stop based on the dubious translations that need looking at first.

The translations as far as I can remember were all OTL and not translated by astral. Will check

 

[StrymULTRA]

It has been listed over the years if the translations are accurate. But when I accepted it, the reason had to do with extradimensional levels of movement. Time stop works on a level that effected two temporal dimensions based on the translations, which having a resistance and/or immunity would well above baseline Immeasurable by default. The general idea is that a 2nd or greater temporal dimension works in a way that not even baseline Immeasurable speed characters can travel back; and stopping it by default stops anyone with baseline Immeasurable speed. And even slightly resisting that would require Immeasurable speed + resistance to extradimensional levels of time manipulation. As similar to dimensional tiering standards, each temporal dimension layer that a character can travel through with ease translates to another layer of Immeasurable speed multiplied by Immeasurable levels of speed.

At least, that's how it got accepted. Was assuming the translations to the scans were accurate, it would equate to a extra layer tier of Time manipulation that even standard level Immeasurable speeds have 0 resistance against. But if the translations are bad, which there is a possibility that they aren't good translations given the consistent reports about tensei slime, then those might be a different story. I think the OP should be less focused on the idea of "Immeasurable speed vs time stop resistance" and more so looking for help from translation helpers. If the various scans that explain the potency level of time stop working on an "Extradimensional layer" are bunk, then we can revisit this and I will probably agree. But for the time being, it's the level of the time stop based on the dubious translations that need looking at first.

Ok so, if your reason is "they move in time stop that works on Immeasurable people through speed" then that's ok.

But what if it had no feats of doing so? Time Stop is only the ability to move freely in a single moment of time while none else can't, it doesn't involve moving through time, hence why it's Infinite speed at best.

 

[Planck69]

The OP makes sense to me.

 

[CodeCCLL]

But for the time being, it's the level of the time stop based on the dubious translations that need looking at first.

It was decided not to use any translations that were made by Astral. There is a fan translation for the Web Novel that was allowed to be on the internet by the author, and we get all the scans from there.

In some links you may see the raws and a translation made by Astral, but these links also have the fan translation link to them. So please take the fan translation into consideration in those links. If the fan translation is not linked to the raw, ignore it.

For example, if you look at this scan that says "Extradimensional". In the linked fan translation you'll see that it simply says "Different Dimension and Space".

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

It was decided not to use any translations that were made by Astral. There is a fan translation for the Web Novel that was allowed to be on the internet by the author, and we get all the scans from there.

In some links you may see the raws and a translation made by Astral, but these links also have the fan translation link to them. So please take the fan translation into consideration in those links. If the fan translation is not linked to the raw, ignore it.

For example, if you look at this scan that says "Extradimensional". In the linked fan translation you'll see that it simply says "Different Dimension and Space".

So it practically means that there is no more degradation if the fan translation is correct?

 

[RitsuØ1]

I agree with the downgrade (And no. It's not out of spite.).

Introduction:
It wasn't a good idea to ignore the thread that accept this.

TenSura Immeasurable Speed Explanation (Web Novel)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Credit: @StrymULTRA (Until this message I had no motivation to read this blog)

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At least, according to these scans, I can see Infinite Speed for information transfer.

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I don't really see Infinite speed either. "Instant" all comes down to interpretation. From what I know, instant is 1 second by default and not 0. And sounds more like a finite speed divided by 1 second. As for the second scan, it seems more like just a FTL scan since the way of data was transferred was faster than SoL. I rather find the speed more of FTL or a Finite Speed / 1 Second than Infinite. I can agree with Infinite if you can prove that instant means 0 seconds instead of like 1 second.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Instant" all comes down to interpretation.

The phrases "no moment of gap" and "it was word to word 'same time' " are used, so I think instant should be 0 time in this context.

Also

it's an advanced ability above spatial transfer. Spatial transfer may look instantaneous to the average person, but in the eyes of a master there's a slight time lag. However teleportation happens literally in an instant, time lag doesn't occur. It is the pinnacle of the transfer type abilities. This isn't an ability that could be used in rapid succession. As a counter measurement against it, one should go on the defensive, and wait for the opponent to exhaust himself.

He also says that the spatial transfer ability seems instantaneous but it is not and that teleportation ability is literally instantaneous. He then defines the word "instant" as "time lag does not occur", so I think this statement supports the fact that the word "instant" here is 0 time.

 

[Lycoris4812]

The OP makes sense to me.

In the original thread, you agreed with immeasurable speed. May I ask what you agreed on? Astrals reasoning, which is mentioned in OP. Or DDMs reasoning, based on moving in a time stop that stops 2 temporal dimensions.

 

[Phoenks]

Wait a second. In the first place, isn't resisting time stop that affects higher temporal dimensions just a higher-degree of resistance to time stop?

Why would it necessitate immeasurable speed? Resistance doesn't inherently have to do with speed.

It has been listed over the years if the translations are accurate. But when I accepted it, the reason had to do with extradimensional levels of movement. Time stop works on a level that effected two temporal dimensions based on the translations, which having a resistance and/or immunity would well above baseline Immeasurable by default. The general idea is that a 2nd or greater temporal dimension works in a way that not even baseline Immeasurable speed characters can travel back; and stopping it by default stops anyone with baseline Immeasurable speed. And even slightly resisting that would require Immeasurable speed + resistance to extradimensional levels of time manipulation. As similar to dimensional tiering standards, each temporal dimension layer that a character can travel through with ease translates to another layer of Immeasurable speed multiplied by Immeasurable levels of speed.

At least, that's how it got accepted. Was assuming the translations to the scans were accurate, it would equate to a extra layer tier of Time manipulation that even standard level Immeasurable speeds have 0 resistance against. But if the translations are bad, which there is a possibility that they aren't good translations given the consistent reports about tensei slime, then those might be a different story. I think the OP should be less focused on the idea of "Immeasurable speed vs time stop resistance" and more so looking for help from translation helpers. If the various scans that explain the potency level of time stop working on an "Extradimensional layer" are bunk, then we can revisit this and I will probably agree. But for the time being, it's the level of the time stop based on the dubious translations that need looking at first.

 

[RitsuØ1]

The phrases "no moment of gap" and "it was word to word 'same time' " are used, so I think instant should be 0 time in this context.

Also

He also says that the spatial transfer ability seems instantaneous but it is not and that teleportation ability is literally instantaneous. He then defines the word "instant" as "time lag does not occur", so I think this statement supports the fact that the word "instant" here is 0 time.

Hmm... I can see Infinite here then and would rather put the Speed Section as "At least FTL, likely Infinite".

Wait a second. In the first place, isn't resisting time stop that affects higher temporal dimensions just a higher-degree of resistance to time stop?

Why would it necessitate immeasurable speed? Resistance doesn't inherently have to do with speed.

I believe so but we're nuking Immeasurable Speed anyway.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Yes, in two chapter where time travel is the main issue, there is talk of traveling to the past, and its context has absolutely nothing to do with time travel... Be reasonable.

"I never said it isn't time travel, I said it doesn't stop it from being imm speed. Time travel is ultimately travelling in time, TIME TRAVEL,

The context here is that she flew to the past. Flight indicates physical movement. And later on she did it mid fight too

If that's not imm speed, more then 80% of the imm speed ratings from characters should be removed

 

[RitsuØ1]

"I never said it isn't time travel, I said it doesn't stop it from being imm speed. Time travel is ultimately travelling in time, TIME TRAVEL,

The context here is that she flew to the past. Flight indicates physical movement. And later on she did it mid fight too

If that's not imm speed, more then 80% of the imm speed ratings from characters should be removed

You know flying can also mean travel, just not flight. Right? Flying to the past is a blatant Time Travel feat.
From Time Travel Page:

Time Travel is the ability to travel to different points in the past or future. While not directly damaging, time travel can be used to defeat one’s opponent while they are weaker or more vulnerable. Alternatively, some users can exploit paradoxes such as the grandfather paradox to erase foes from existence.

This is NOT Immeasurable Speed.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

You know flying can also mean travel, just not flight. Right? Flying to the past is a blatant Time Travel feat.

Never denied it,so I don’t get what the point of mentioning this is, I was simply providing evidence that it is physical movement and not teleportation ,so it is time travel via movement in addition to all the scans about moving in zero time . So it is a travel of pure speed across time and space instantly.as well as being faster than something infinite speed already and needing to be nerfed.

From Time Travel Page:

This is NOT Immeasurable Speed.

The page does NOT say it's not imm speed , these things can overlap.

The imessurable speed page even says
They should preferably be evaluated case by case..


DDM reason has still yet to be addressed. As this already operates on a higher temporal dimension

 

[Reiner04]

@Elizhaa @LephyrTheRevanchist
Since u 2 were present in the original thread. I'll tag u 2 for ur opinion.

 

[Amalyris]

DDM said otherwise.

Ain't Immeasurable speed based on those who can move beyond linear time

 

[Voidnether]

"I never said it isn't time travel, I said it doesn't stop it from being imm speed. Time travel is ultimately travelling in time, TIME TRAVEL,

The context here is that she flew to the past. Flight indicates physical movement. And later on she did it mid fight too

If that's not imm speed, more then 80% of the imm speed ratings from characters should be removed

Then make a CRT and remove them all. Going through the past with physical movement isn't inherently Immeasurable if they're not unbound by that same linear flow of time. What makes you think Immeasurable for the LN part was accepted if it's not simply because of Information Particles transcending space-time, thus they could go anywhere they want in any point of time.

 

[Robo432343]

i agree this is just resistance

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Then make a CRT and remove them all. Going through the past with physical movement isn't inherently Immeasurable if they're not unbound by that same linear flow of time. What makes you think Immeasurable for the LN part was accepted if it's not simply because of Information Particles transcending space-time, thus they could go anywhere they want in any point of time.

This is literally the same case for WN, just LN has an actual statement for it, while WN info just has a feat of traveling across time and space with zero time lag,which is “just” timetravel

 

[Voidnether]

This is literally the same case for WN, just LN has an actual statement for it, while WN info just has a feat of traveling across time and space with zero time lag,which is “just” timetravel

The zero time lag was literally treated as a metaphor due to the fact that Information Particles transcend space-time, hence all the Infinite stuff there are discarded..

Traveling across time and space with zero time lag is just Infinite, I seriously don't get how are you able to interpret that into Immeasurable.

Honestly, even calling it a time travel is already good enough else it's just Dimensional Travel, then there's no merit for Immeasurable lol.

 

[Amalyris]

Wait a second. In the first place, isn't resisting time stop that affects higher temporal dimensions just a higher-degree of resistance to time stop?

Why would it necessitate immeasurable speed? Resistance doesn't inherently have to do with speed.

Based on what I understand you can also get immeasurable speed as you aren't moving on a linear time.

Or basically moving beyond timelines(either going to the past, present, or future). So a Hypertimeline can get you layered time stop resistance and immeasurable speed

 

[Voidnether]

Based on what I understand you can also get immeasurable speed as you aren't moving on a linear time.

Or basically moving beyond timelines(either going to the past, present, or future). So a Hypertimeline can get you layered time stop resistance and immeasurable speed

Not moving on a linear time is Immeasurable, yeah due to the fact that they must be "unbound" by the linear time to even be able to do that but the next paragraph are all wrong.

Moving beyond timelines aren't going to the past, present, or future but rather moving "outside" the timeline that contains these past, present, future thing. Hypertimeline don't necessarily grant you both of those as it's just a realm that contains all the possible timelines (Actualized timelines that are 2-A in nature, instead of them being Low 2-C). It only grants you Immeasurable if you move from the main timeline to the other timeline with sheer speed only, it's not layered time stop resistance because that would contradict on how Layering work in the first place.

DDM probably had other interpretations though I believe, it's really not as simple as just Resistance.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Would you stop make stone walls?

 

[Amalyris]

Not moving on a linear time is Immeasurable, yeah due to the fact that they must be "unbound" by the linear time to even be able to do that but the next paragraph are all wrong.

Moving beyond timelines aren't going to the past, present, or future but rather moving "outside" the timeline that contains these past, present, future thing. Hypertimeline don't necessarily grant you both of those as it's just a realm that contains all the possible timelines (Actualized timelines that are 2-A in nature, instead of them being Low 2-C). It only grants you Immeasurable if you move from the main timeline to the other timeline with sheer speed only (Mind you that this is only possible due to the fact that it's an actualized timelines, it obviously refers to different space-time continuums hence it could be called as what the multiple temporal dimension entails on the page. If the timelines are just a possibility and say that there's Infinite timelines, but they don't refer to a different space-time continuum, just traveling from the main timeline to the other one isn't Immeasurable as the other timeline is basically the alternate version of that main timeline. Instead of it being 2 timelines that are completely separate from each other, completely different from the previous case in where one contains the other (non-actualized timelines), it's not layered time stop resistance because that would contradict on how Layering work in the first place.

DDM probably had other interpretations though I believe, it's really not as simple as just Resistance.

So unless prove that Chloe was "actually" flying physically, then it won't be considered as immeasurable speed. But what about Rimuru going to the past from the End of Time and Space?

 

[Voidnether]

Would you stop make stone walls?

Alr. (I agree with the thread btw, if that even matters because you're only counting staff votes)

So unless prove that Chloe was "actually" flying it won't be considered as immeasurable speed. But what about Rimuru going to the past from the End of Time and Space?

DMS.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

The zero time lag was literally treated as a metaphor due to the fact that Information Particles transcend space-time, hence all the Infinite stuff there are discarded..

Traveling across time and space with zero time lag is just Infinite, I seriously don't get how are you able to interpret that into Immeasurable.

Honestly, even calling it a time travel is already good enough else it's just Dimensional Travel, then there's no merit for Immeasurable lol.

All imma say is pls at least be knowledgeable on something before trying to correct someone,we can bring this to DM or discord. And have someone judge, cause this is an atrocious take. It is possible to have immeasurable speed and have zero timelag.